Think You Know Everything About The Gulf Oil Spill? Well Think Again! Prepare To Be Rocked To Th

Originally posted by space cadet
reply to post by paxnatus

 

And the people who are sick, where are they? Are they not mad enough to come out and show themselves?

They're probably too humiliated to be seen, and certainly too sick to make a television appearance - Once they are well enough, I'm sure they will want some answers. Hopefully is everyone keeps discussing this and digging for clues, we will be able to help them get the answers they deserve

Originally posted by nite owl
reply to post by amari

 

Well, here are some people asking questions and answering them. GOOD JOB FOLKS, let us be informed of the numbers getting ill here, OK.

Hi Nite Owl,

Yes! Great idea!! I elect you to be Record Keeper. You can be in charge of keeping track of all the data concerning all the sickness and symptoms in the Gulf of Mexico region. Obviously there is such thing as confidentiality so we would have to find volunteers to offer information/their own stories. And, of course, there are already people that are talking about it (we could compile a list of such).

Here is a short list for everyone to help gather info for...

. Concise and accurate report of oil operations/activities in the G.O.M. area beginning at agreed time and date until present (must be regularly updated) - this would also include profiles of all companies involved. And are they involved in other oil drilling activities beside the G.O.M., whether directly or indirectly?
. Air traffic and reports from residents
. Weather/climate trends
. Beach closures/allowances/patrol/boons, clean-up, etc.
. Area/radius to be covered
. Media reporting - exposure vs. black-out
. All websites dedicated to helping G.O.M. natives/residents (some have relocated)
. List of symptoms
. Dates and surrounding circumstances of symptoms
. Fatality rate (cause of death?)
. Defining oil and it's properties/uses
. Oil drilling methods/practices
. Other oil drilling operations

This isn't an exhaustive list by any means but it should give us an idea of the enormity of the problem in relation to finding evidence of illness/death occurring as a by-product of oil production and/or deliberate sabotage/foul-play against people, animals, plants, the eco-system, etc.

Network! Network! Network!

Star

Originally posted by j4k312
i am not really seeing any hardcore evidence that this stuff has cause any actual sickness ... I would like to see some info on that ... until then I am really just not sure if theres a reason to be so concerned...

Keep in mind that this is *exactly* the same kind of reasoning that, until recently, kept people from knowing the truth about cigarettes and their connection to lung cancer (and other types of cancer). There was "never any hardcore evidence" or "direct scientific proof" of a causal connection between cigarettes and lung cancer for decade after decade... after decade. Meanwhile, people were sucking smoke up like there was no tomorrow... until, eventually, they had sucked up so much smoke that there was *literally* "no tomorrow."

When thinking of the present and the future, it is imperative to remember ALL OUR YESTERDAYS. Haven't we learned that the game isn't about being proven wrong, that it's about KNOWING YOUR WRONG (big companies and health issues) and DELAYING ACTION until you've MADE AS MUCH MONEY AS YOU CAN before admitting to it?

Personally, I would rather err on the prudent/safe side.

Originally posted by windwaker
British Petroleum should change their name to Umbrella Corporation.

Until they start developing Bio-Organic Weapons to sell to aggressive militaries, let's just wait on that But I have no doubt that some similar viruses exists in military bio-warfar labs deep in restricted forests and buried under city sewers. It wouldn't be hard to create a zombie virus- all the virus has to do is be programmed to hijack the cellular structure of a human and re-design the brain (or as conventional zombies go, creating a "second, smaller brain" to control the body in conducting the most basic of actions without the conciousness clouding the process).

But I digress, sorry for being off topic in a very serious discussion.

Originally posted by nite owl
reply to post by SarK0Y

 

I am not for or against this, I would like to see some proof, so lets get diggin in here for hard core EVIDENCE, ok. Lets talk to residents over there. Lets take rain samples. Lets take drinking water samples right from the faucets they drink from. Lets take ocean samples. Lets see the multiplication process and see how fast it grows , so we know how much time we have. LETS SEE SOME EVIDENCE, PEOPLE.

Hello Night Owl,

To see evidence you will have to open your eyes, and I am not just talking about this article. It is nice to the talk the talk but you have to walk the walk, not directed at you personally. It takes research, it takes making phone calls, it takes having the initiative to do something and actually following through with it.

Cloudsinthesky and I have done just that As referenced here, his thread on ATS. Operation Truth,Toxic Rain Reality Check Testing

We launched a project and developed a website dedicated to testing the rain water in the U.S., and Canada,testtherain.com So far we have close to 200 volunteers signed up to help collect rain samples.

We work with Dr. Ott and other analytical chemists. I have had numerous conversations with many sick people in the gulf and you don't have to believe me, they know who they are.

Like I said earlier, I have put trying to prove myself in these threads long behind me, unfortunately I know the truth about what is going on there. Instead of sitting here and demanding "Lets see proof"! "Evidence people!!" You need to be prepared to get in the trenches with the others whom have volunteered there time and effort. Maybe then you will believe people are dying, people are sick, people have lost everything. Then again, maybe not.

Originally posted by SarK0Y
reply to post by skyflower

 

I would imagine that a synthetic virus would have various effects on various people.

gov. & bp just have wasted residents within affected areas: VOC & other chemical impacts kill human immune system that makes'em 100% victims of those "good" bacterias. no words.. pure criminal methods have been applied to. moreover, that situation produces new sickness for the World at nearest future.

I hear that!!! I'm going nuts dealing with "morgellons" and I feel strongly there is a similar story to this illness - I'm a great example of how it doesn't matter what shape you're in because I've always had the best immune system - hardly ever get sick - eat organic - practice a holistic lifestyle - and then boom! I moved down to Florida 3 years ago and started getting these rashes and sores about 2 years ago. Not sayin that morgs is what these folks are dealing with, just that I feel that they are both intentional acts against unsuspecting citizens.............criminal is putting it mildly.

reply to post by paxnatus


I live in Southwest MO... anxious to see the findings. Wow, I was and am still, amzed to see my location as a test site.

Thank you.

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by space cadet

 

Ok, Space Cadet,
And by the way, I am not a DUDE. If you must, please, Dudette at the minimum, and I prefer Princess.

Mycoplasma mycoides

. Craig Venter Institute press release

Researchers at the J. Craig Venter Institute (JCVI), a not-for-profit genomic research organization, published results today describing the successful construction of the first self-replicating, synthetic bacterial cell. The team synthesized the 1.08 million base pair chromosome of a modified Mycoplasma mycoides genome. The synthetic cell is called Mycoplasma mycoides JCVI-syn1.0 and is the proof of principle that genomes can be designed in the computer, chemically made in the laboratory and transplanted into a recipient cell to produce a new self-replicating cell controlled only by the synthetic genome. This research will be published by Daniel Gibson et al in the May 20th edition

of Science Express and will appear in an upcoming print issue of Science.

www.missiontohumanity.com...
www.ft.com...

These microbes have already been use, and they continue to be used!

Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen, who leads the government's relief effort, said in June, “We're no longer dealing with a large, monolithic spill. We're dealing with an aggregation of hundreds of thousands of patches of oil that are going in a lot of different directions.” He noted that while cleaning up the oil spill on the surface will go on for a couple of months after the well is plugged, long-term issues of restoring the environment and the habitats will take years.

Bioremediation may have some role to play in that restoration provided the cure isn’t worse than the disease. The former approach was used as part of the cleanup effort after the Exxon Valdez spill. The addition of bacteria has been less successful. Bioremediation involves using microorganisms or their enzymes to return environments altered by contaminants to their original conditions. In the case of oil spills multiple techniques may be used, including the addition of nutrients to the environment to enhance and facilitate crude oil decomposition by specific bacteria or the introduction of oil-eating bacteria.
The company grows the microbes in proprietary continuous cell culture vessels to select microbes that have higher proliferation rates under specific conditions. The innovation behind Evolugate’s continuous culture vessels is that they are engineered to prevent microbes from sticking to the walls, a common strategy by which microbes evade selective pressure in other continuous culture technologies.

The Evolugate technology works via partial dilution: As a culture grows and becomes saturated, a small proportion of the grown culture is replaced with fresh medium, allowing the culture to continually grow at close to its maximum population size. Thomas Lyons, Ph.D., principal research scientist and board member of the firm, told GEN that in adapting the microbes for the Gulf oil spill, “we add more microbes every day to bolster genetic diversity.

“When we first started the culture we saw a die-off, and we expected that the dispersants and oil in the Gulf water-containing medium would kill some microbes. But after one week we saw a huge increase in cell density suggesting that adaptive variants arose. Within two weeks we already have robust growth on oil samples taken from the Gulf.

“The beauty of what we do is that we have built in evolutionary trade-offs: The longer the microbes spend evolving to the oil the less robust they become under other conditions. Once the oil is gone they will lose their competitive advantage and will no longer survive in that environment.”

Dr. Lyons noted that producing such designer microbes through genetic engineering would be hard to pull off. Oil is so full of complicated substances that jamming all the genes needed to digest and metabolize it into a single microbe and then expecting it to reproduce and flourish might be asking too much, he said. Experimental evolution, on the other hand, simultaneously changes metabolic capabilities as well as optimizes growth rates.

www.genengnews.com...

It is really clear, expecially here:

He also pointed out that right now the company’s proposal to select and introduce designer oil-eating microbes into the Gulf is in BP’s hands. “It’s in their pipeline, but we are not waiting for a response. We know our approach stands the best chance to make bioremediation work, and we are proceeding accordingly. .......To underscore Dr. Lyons’ point, while there are four oil eaters in this bacterial genus, each uses a different component of the oil as its food source and they all compete with one another when added to the same oil sample. In 1981, Dr. Chakrabarty received a patent on a genetically modified Pseudomonas bacterium that would eat up oil spills, the first patent of its kind; he was the first person to win a patent on a living organism. ”

Hi Burntheships,

Amazing and seriously interesting info that you post! Thank you. Boy raising microbes sounds like something from a science fiction but it's not! I've never heard of "continuous cell culture vessels" before. Sounds alien. lol I imagine glass vessels with life forms in them, growing continuously.

Another thing that peaks my interest is the "experimental environment" angle, concerning metabolic changes and growth rates. Qualifiers for a successful mutation/adaptation and a new generation of technologies?

Star

reply to post by Antoniastar


Thank you, to think this has been in use for 30 years is seriously scary.
It is the perogitive of the inventors, and the buyers of the technology...it seems the the
well being of mankind has been left out in the cold.

I remember in highschool science class reading about bio-engineered organisms designed to process oil and other exotic chemicals and their development and corporate use. Problem is that the textbook was promoting this as an exciting concept that needs more research. There are actually people who can't accept that this stuff is already out there?

reply to post by Alethea



thank you for pointing out the obvious, and saving me the read. I dont understand how someone of rational thought can say "BP owns stock in a company that produces a fake cell, ergo.. oil disaster!!! I TOLD YOU MOTHER NATURE"

I mean, come on. Its like saying the sky isnt really blue, its cinnamon toast.

Well, here in and there after life will continue to move faster.
takes a breath....in pillage and sorrow there will be nothing left to borrow
THE DEEP freeze is coming.. and the Hydro will be shut off..so dig your hole and buy your solar panel, cause there is no more flannel.
Just the tunnel from a puddle where a great few try a significant muddle.
concentrate... people are always dying

Given that they can now make cells and program them we may not be far from being able to grow new human organs and tissues (if indeed they aren't doing it already).
They will have the capability one day and when they do only the rich will be able to afford these replacement organs.
Eternal life is almost possible and that is some scary shizzle.

reply to post by Asktheanimals

Eternal life is almost possible and that is some scary shizzle.

This will have serious implications for the evolution of the human race; when the only genes that get to procreate are those of the greedy, unscrupulous devils with the money. I would't want to be around to get to know that lot in a few hundred years.

Hi Op, I never thought about this.
Thanks alot! Flag for you!

I don't know why they don't contain their drilling exploration to the gulf area. BP's exploration continues offshore.
They should be confined to the gulf because that is where their business interest lay!

But they let their company shift titles of operation and allow below standard of operation's to continue. Their efforts have not been confirmed cleaning florin shores or their options of their effectiveness in the South America's and Mexico itself.

I guess the patriotic songs about "shining sea" , Seem to go hand and hand with America's economic interest.

reply to post by paxnatus


You need to get ths to the public every last detail. Everyone who has facts, info, needs to stand up. if not we will continue down this road....

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by Antoniastar

 

Thank you, to think this has been in use for 30 years is seriously scary.
It is the perogitive of the inventors, and the buyers of the technology...it seems the the
well being of mankind has been left out in the cold.

You're quite welcome. Do you mean to say that synthetic microbes have been in use for 30 years?

Here is something on synthetic biology from 1974 (although it's a little more than 30 years)...

The term "synthetic biology" has a history spanning the twentieth century.[1]. In 1974, the Polish geneticist Waclaw Szybalski introduced the term "synthetic biology"[2], writing:

Let me now comment on the question "what next". Up to now we are working on the descriptive phase of molecular biology. ... But the real challenge will start when we enter the synthetic biology phase of research in our field. We will then devise new control elements and add these new modules to the existing genomes or build up wholly new genomes. This would be a field with the unlimited expansion potential and hardly any limitations to building "new better control circuits" and ..... finally other "synthetic" organisms, like a "new better mouse". ... I am not concerned that we will run out of exciting and novel ideas, ... in the synthetic biology, in general.

en.wikipedia.org...

"The prerogative of the inventors and the buyers of the technology...it seems the well being of mankind has been left out in the cold." This is an awesome quote! Could be a thread on it's own.

Yes, it would seem that mankind, at least GOM mankind, are the ones getting the shaft in big oil business. The inventors and the buyers (The Remediation Team?) work to make it all possible, along with politicians (businessmen) and sponsors (Mickey Dees?) Fun for the whole happy family.

Not.

Mankind have names and they have faces...they are real people, as I'm sure you know (this isn't directed to you). They have/had homes in the GOM. Real homes with real lives.

All this heartache in the name of progress? I understand that extracting a planetful of crude oil can be tedious and hit and miss. How else is big business going to perfect the process of oil refining without trial and error? Alas! Technology to the rescue. Finally. What with all the suffering and hardship of having to wait and then, when the inventors (with pistols growing out the sides of their heads) finally get finished with their tinkers, some real money can start flowin. And the inconvenience of having to side-track the restless masses with rhetoric and best faces and more hamburgers and fries, blah blah blah

*don't look at me like I have two heads, it's true.*

Interesting, I've not looked at this definition before all this rot started at the GOM (My biology class - during my first 13 years (counting headstart) of mandatory public education - was good, especially hunting down helpless insects and pinning them to boards so that I could dust them off every week?) Even though I drew a picture of a hair follicle in excruciating detail, I somehow missed this part...

Mycoplasma is a genus of bacteria that lack a cell wall.[1] Without a cell wall, they are unaffected by many common antibiotics such as penicillin or other beta-lactam antibiotics that target cell wall synthesis. They can be parasitic or saprotrophic. Several species are pathogenic in humans, including M. pneumoniae, which is an important cause of atypical pneumonia and other respiratory disorders, and M. genitalium, which is believed to be involved in pelvic inflammatory diseases.

en.wikipedia.org...

Really now? Who knew? So then a species of Mycoplasma, Mycoplasma mycoides is engineered by inventors into a synthetic microbe to help oil flow better, Is that correct? Isn't that nice. Why would anyone want to synthesis Mycoplasma in the first place? It's a nasty biological and sometimes parasitic, wall-less, antibiotic resistant bacteria.

Are they taking insanity to the next level or what?

And then we've got the species of bacteria that comes from Mycoplasma (can you write Mycoplasma on a board 100 times? Just sayin).

Mycoplasma mycoides is a bacterial species of the genus Mycoplasma in the class Mollicutes. This microorganism is a parasite that lives in ruminants (cattle and goats), causing lung disease.

It's sure a sham that it has to come to this. Science and technology in the hands of mad men is like prostitutes and sex in the hands of pimps.

Star

Update: I have an email subscription to Deborah Dupré's articles, and have for quite some time.

Here is one that I received today...

WINK CBS reported on the event on October 29, providing the folowing Rush Transcript Excerpts:

"Are the worst effects of that devastating spill just around the corner? Scientists gathered in Collier County tonight giving us a look at the possible long-term impacts...Many in Naples are now turning to world renowned scientists to find out whats in store for our beaches. Dr. Roni Avissar with the University of Miami says: We are absolutely in that limbo area...

CBS: Florida W. and E. coasts residents oil threatened

Originally posted by DOADOA
and you know whats funny about all of this? there isn't a thing we can do about it. these people have too much power, nothing short of divine intervention or alien invasion will change the course of our future.

our children are about to become slaves, tough luck eh?

Sorry chaps, didnt read all the way down, this annoyed me too much!!


WHY CANT WE DO ANYTHING? WHY? What magical power do they have we dont? We can do something, we could easliy do something, but most of us arent as "awake" as we like to keep telling ourselves. The consequences are still too scary. Do you think the teenagers and young men that charged the beaches & jumped out of planes during WW2 where like us? Do you think the Ipod generation would be capable of such a thing? OF COURSE NOT. [Theres still plenty hero's out there, I just beleive that before the orgy of advertising, there was a lot more!]

That was before the corporate machine went to work, back when men were men, you might say. Nowadays you just have to look at reality TV to see how wrong things have got, but we continue to accept it day in and day out, profit is the primary goal of mankind and very few do anything about it, why is that?


Because the MAJORITY of people would rather sit on their ass's and moan about how screwed they are and wish for a saviour, rather than GET UP AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!! Note: if mankind is ever saved, it will not be by some mystical alien in his flying saucer, or angelic force, it will be by a group of men and women with the balls to do what needs to be done, its happened before, it will happen again. (probably, hopefully!)


Anyway I read the whole thing, very disturbing,I guess got a bit riled up after reading that and then seeing another "we're all dooooommed,unless aliens, etc" post. Those posts wear on you.

Im no expert on this stuff so I'll wait and see what the general consensus after its been up for a bit. but WOW, I actually really, really, genuinely want this to be BS!