Famed NASA Astronaut almost, kind of, (not really) says Extraterrestrials are here!

reply to post by JimOberg


Thats funny but you are now calling Dr.Musgrave a liar especially when there are qoutes from him as to what he had seen during that mission. So now you are the one who cannot deal with something that contradicts your own story. So now I guess this wasn't said by him either.

Dr. Musgrave retired after this flight from NASA. Since then he's been spreading his considered opinion that alien life exists. When Musgrave speaks of this, it's no great leap for one to assume he's admitting knowledge of alien life. As the final slide of a "Grey" ET was shown during a recent astronomy presentation by Dr. Musgrave, he made this statement.

"These guys are real... I guarantee it!"

So now he is just out there tossing BS at people for no good reason as you seem to want everyone to believe. Also just because you say you have talked to him and he told you whatever is somewhat like me saying I played a pickup basketball game with Jesus and Jimi Hendrix. Just because I say it doesn't mean it happened.

reply to post by Gygar


The first picture here looks like a closeup of coral from a reef. Pretty cool. Maybe we all live in someones fish tank and we are the fish that swim around in it while others watch us. I wonder if it is a salt water or fresh water tank. Oh well cool pics they sure make you wonder what we could be seeing out there.

Being the person who successfully makes the governments "hush hush" a publicly known and believed thing by the masses is an awful hard job to have...

I think that the only way the general public is going to accept this kind of stuff as truth is when the MSM cannot deny it anymore due to some large event involving these sorts of things.

reply to post by JimOberg


"Look at all the hostility around here" are you kidding me. What calling others ignorant or dumb because they don't jump onto your opinions and views about things could be why you see hostility aimed towards you if that is what you are talking about. If you learned a little civility towards other members you may actually get a better responce from others.So until that happens you will get the same hostile responce from others. Try my suggestion and you will see the difference in responces, there are other ways to get the point out without calling others ignorant or anything else for that matter.

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by JimOberg

 

Thats funny but you are now calling Dr.Musgrave a liar especially when there are qoutes from him as to what he had seen during that mission. .... Also just because you say you have talked to him and he told you whatever is somewhat like me saying I played a pickup basketball game with Jesus and Jimi Hendrix. Just because I say it doesn't mean it happened.

Well, fair's fair, but one has to wonder -- where was all this demand for proof when you and your buddies swallowed (and won't back off of) the made-up story about STS-80 written by Clark McClelland, who has also claimed to have personally witnessed a TV transmission showing a nine-foot-tall alien floating in a space shuttle payload bay? Seems a little asymmetric when it comes to standards of evidence, eh?

When you're ready to post the photos of your basketball game, I'll pay more attention. Until then, here's one of many photos of me working with Musgrave:

www.jamesoberg.com...

and in shuttle simulator developing rendezvous procedures (1985)
www.jamesoberg.com...

and in Mission Control (1990), directing rendezvous with LDEF satellite
www.jamesoberg.com...




Please pay more attention to the technical details in my 12-year-old study of the video in question, and tell me what claims there you find inadequately supported.

Here's that report's link again:

www.realufos.net...

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by JimOberg

 

"Look at all the hostility around here" are you kidding me. What calling others ignorant or dumb because they don't jump onto your opinions and views about things could be why you see hostility aimed towards you if that is what you are talking about. .....

Unfair?

Easy enough to repudiate my words. Show me any posting here that displayed any knowledge of the solar illumination conditions of this video? Show me any posting here that showed any knowledge of the crew's evaluation of what the video showed. Show me any posting here that showed any knowledge of the characteristics of the camera taking these images. Show me any posting here that expressed the slightest caution in swallowing wholesale McClelland's story, despite his track record.

What do you call total lack of such knowledge? Maybe you call it 'bliss'.

What do you call defiant refusal to even acknowledge it might be nice to know such stuff before jumping to conclusions? Maybe you call it "modern ufology'.

Hmmm?

reply to post by rusethorcain


absolutely there are things out there, have seen and heard them with my own eyes and ears and can describe each one in detail

I posted earlier in this thread but it got deleted from what I can tell, lame job

I was on a NASA tour a couple of years ago and Story preemptively told the group not to ask about any of the ET nonsense. He made it sound like a joke, people and the topic were laughable he was portraying. Why the change now, money? A guy who flips on his position like he has doesn't deserve respect nor should he be considered reputable.

"But he's an astronaut!" Fine. But he had ample opportunity to not disrespect the ET field, and now he's parading it around trying to get some attention. Hypocritical much...

Belive me, i am not a skeptic at all! I have a very opened mind, and i realy belive in some many too crazy theorys! But i belive also in the human capacity to be inteligent and i try to use my brain in a scientific racional way every time i can, and when it's possible!

I strongly recomend all of you to see this simple video. It's ilustrates very well, why when even a Astronaut takls about something he sew, we can't belive it 100%!
Enjoy it! It worths every second.

Link

reply to post by Umbra Sideralis


That is just patronising twaddle and the guy is doing exactly what he is parodying., arguing from ignorance. What these glib speakers neglect to mention is a simple thing but crucial. Only one of the UFOs has to be alien for them to be eating every last word they have trotted out in their patronizing's manner. Those who have bothered to actually study the subject will point to a dozen cases where Occam's razor his chuffin' toothbrush, after shave and zit cream says. It acted like an alien intelligence, it quacked like an alien intelligence, therefore it wasn't a chuffin' duck. A billion youtube videos of lanterns and LEDS hanging off some kite have absolutely no baring on Shag Harbour, Operation Mainbrace etc etc. Oneday the smart arse will actually work that one out and stop being so pathetically childish in their attitude towards the subject. The truth is, with the vast majority of these people is simple. I haven't heard of a single case...actually means I am an ignorant fool but, I had a quick look round on the web and couldn't find anything, but hey, I have a huge ego and like showing off, and UFOs give me a wonderful chance to do just that.

They were not afraid to see UFOs and today are not
afraid to tell us about it.
So we had ships following their every move.
And they were never told the UFOs were ours.
Well they might have been Russian using the same
technology.
The CIA or some one is pushing for the ET again.

Originally posted by Umbra Sideralis
Belive me, i am not a skeptic at all! I have a very opened mind, and i realy belive in some many too crazy theorys! But i belive also in the human capacity to be inteligent and i try to use my brain in a scientific racional way every time i can, and when it's possible!

I strongly recomend all of you to see this simple video. It's ilustrates very well, why when even a Astronaut takls about something he sew, we can't belive it 100%!

Umbra, are you suggesting Neil Tyson is a former astronaut?

Where on Earth or out there beyond did you get that idea?

Originally posted by FireMoon

That is just patronising twaddle .... Only one of the UFOs has to be alien for them to be eating every last word they have trotted out in their patronizing's manner. .... A billion youtube videos of lanterns and LEDS hanging off some kite have absolutely no baring on Shag Harbour, Operation Mainbrace etc etc.

Can I interpret this to mean that no, you don't want to defend the STS-80 claims any more, and now want to go on to another case? Please clarify the intent of this post.

Are you saying that even if you concede the STS-80 story is not a UFO, you have lots of other undebunkable data points and can rely on them?

That's certainly a reasonable argument, and you can start or restart threads on them.

But please have the intellectual integrity to then concede the loss of your certainty that you can prove the STS-80 story was caused by a genuine UFO rather than some genuinely weird-looking but essentially routine prosaic space videos, and some fictionalization by Clark McClelland (and others).

Or do you never, EVER admit you no longer are certain you're right on every case?

Stay on theme on this thread: Musgrave's alleged comments about STS-80.

reply to post by JimOberg



Hi Jim

You know what its like on here the ET boys think because its a conspiracy site they have the right, well to be right and anyone who shows another view is wrong.

Now from other threads we know that most of these guys know sod all about photography or video afterall even the mighty mikesighn on here was claiming they had pictures of spires on the Moon and then stating his 30 yrs experience made him right, until he found out he was looking at the image upside down pmsl at that! and he found out quite literally HE was chasing SHADOWS to his credit he did admit he was wrong.

It's the same when anyone post a video or picture claiming best ufo evidence yet,its given stars and flags in an instant without any of them really thinking about it.

You have to laugh when you see all the space debris videos posted here claiming the circular objects are plasma creatures or ufo's and they wonder why others laugh at them.

Well like Jim I have heard for years and years and years about alien this and disclosure that ,well I am still waiting.

NOW it may amaze you guys but I do 100% believe somewhere out there intelligent exists and the reason its intelligent it doesn't visit us and never has, it may sometime in the future but not now.

These out of focus ice crystals and other debris have been explained before and in GREAT detail due to the properties of optics.

In that ST80 video the so called circular ufo that comes from behind the shuttle can be explained by depth of field of the lens you know that I know that and others on here that are keen photographers know it, and I suspect a few that dont want to admit it know as well,but for them why spoil a good story with the truth!

I have stated this on another thread there is more chance of a sceptic finding a UFO and why do I say that because we look at a picture or a video with an open mind NOT focused on it being one thing, we look for clues to what it could be ie time, location, camer/lens type/exif data if known etc,etc we dont assume its one thing or another we try to work it out, the others should try that they may learn something.

I would be OVER THE MOON pun intended if I found some real evidence

reply to post by wmd_2008


["its intelligent it doesn't visit us']

What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man that thou visitest him?-Hebrews2.6

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by smurfy
The "White heat" of technology, just a few decades ago could not have included visitors from outer space just as that same technology cannot include visitors from outer space now.

Like I said, incredulity in and of itself doesn't cut it, that's not an argument, you also need to show how the entire UFO record, the whole volume of it, and all the evidence presented to date, including all the eye witness accounts, by reliable and highly credible people, does not hold up, and therefore may be cast in doubt, and in particular, those cases which have not been sufficiently explained by conventional explanations ie: swamp gas, Jupiter, ice crystals, etc.

You cannot just say that instantaneous, interstellar travel (if could not occur by any other means ie: by our ordinary conceptions of "traveling through space in time") is IMPOSSIBLE (which we know in the quantum realm cannot be true) and therefore, that the whole record MUST be rejected outright, even in the face of a massive tomb of evidence to the contrary, which would suggest instead that such a physics (antigravity, warp drive capability) DOES exist, and would HAVE to, in order to account for the UFO phenomenon, in its entirety and in particular for certain cases, which combine all manner of evidenciary probabative value.

One this is certain, that IF they ARE here, Relativity does NOT have the last word and is incomplete, whereby a newfound physics of Quantum Gravity contains a loop hole for instantaneous, interstellar travel within a space-time grid (or how would you GET anywhere in particular?).
Question then:
Is there ANY evidence, at this time, however anecdotal, that such a technology is at least in theory, possible?

Because this appears to the principal argument from sceptics - can't get here, not in time, for anything, since the universe is a reletavistic materialist monist framework, of here and there, of space and time, and thus, according to Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, such "travel" is utterly impossible, even at 99.99999 % of the speed of light, and, since it is not possible for matter, to travel faster than light, then it's not possible that the UFO phenomenon can possibly be explained in light of that single proof and fundamental assumption.

It cannot be true because the distances are too great, the space between stars, too vast.

Can this assumptive proof by the sceptics, as being inviolate, be shown to be a potentially false assumption..?

edit on 29-10-2010 by NewAgeMan because: (no reason given)

Read my post again, Thanks.

Ever occur to y'all that the reason that more people are coming out of the woodwork with semi-disclosure type tidbits is NOT because there are aliens and UFOs?

But because your interest gets their programs air time, and keep the agenda in front of the masses, and that allows these programs to continue on.

So the retired "true believers" in the space program hold their noses, and do their duty to keep you interested.



(Not to worry - I won't continue to point this out too often.)

reply to post by Aeons


For NASA its like holding on to the last scraps of the life that was set up for them by the illuminati.
Weather real or not they made space travelers.
And they must participate in the trends of the times dictated to them as a safe play.

Global warming, going green and promoting products and programs has every normal
official hiding behind that official safe shield.

Just googled " alien astronaut quotes " now I am sure there is some thing out there. How can anyone deny this? These statements are proof!

Originally posted by Aeons
Ever occur to y'all that the reason that more people are coming out of the woodwork with semi-disclosure type tidbits is NOT because there are aliens and UFOs?

But because your interest gets their programs air time, and keep the agenda in front of the masses, and that allows these programs to continue on.

So the retired "true believers" in the space program hold their noses, and do their duty to keep you interested.



(Not to worry - I won't continue to point this out too often.)

tell you what does occur to me. How you have you just posted something saying exactly the same thing a Jim Oberg did on the ST 80 thread.

and you want to know my theory why? Money. Advertisers just LOVE the kinds of shows that are guaranteed to attract viewers who will credulously believe AN-Y-THING that makes them feel self-important. You guys make up a proven cultural sub-class that will believe anything that tickles your fancies. And so people feed you this stuff for their own purposes, and you keep making it easy for them -- just look at the howls of protest this comment is bound to get, the duped defending their dupers and their own dupedness. Sigh.

From ... www.abovetopsecret.com...

A non ice particles thread where Jim manages to avoid answering the question everyone actually wanted the answer to, yet again.