COICA law - say goodbye to internet freedom

Originally posted by Stillalive
In the United States, a new law proposal called The Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act (COICA) was introduced last week, and there will be a hearing in front of the Judiciary Committee this Thursday.

If passed, this law will allow the government, under the command of the media companies, to censor the internet as they see fit, like China and Iran do, with the difference that the sites they decide to censor will be completely removed from the internet and not just in the US.

Please see the following article from the Huffington Post for more information.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

well guys its not my problem, im not an us citizen,so the ball is in your corner

There is a power elite in our country which is plainly bent upon absolute control. They had some success a few years ago by placing W Bush as president. Bush is a nice enough guy but not of the sort that any serious person would expect to have found in such a position. This is all but obvious. Now these power brokers had a bit of a setback when Obama was elected so they changed their direction to compensate. They have decided to find others to place in our legislative branch as an alternative. But who? Take a look at the Tea Party candidates. None of these people are able to express themselves in coherent, rational sentences. They speak in slogans only never going beyond. None of these are possessed of more than less than average intelligence. How then do we find them successfully competing for high office? The powerful know how to make this happen. These may win a few seats and when they do the voices and policies, the desires of the powerful who we never see will be speaking through them.

So now we are faced with a restrictive internet law proposal. There are many other legal moves that will follow. All of these are red flags to any of us who can see. A great effort is being made to reshape the entire world into a single, top down, corporate state. In this governments will be moot. In this the people will live out their lives never knowing what might have been. In our rush to freedom we may have gone too far. For every freedom given there will be a force counterattacking. In this case that "answering" mechanism is one which is old as the earth itself. Ever, in the history of the world, should a government retreat other powers will advance to take what was abandoned. In this case the extremes of capitalism is the enemy. These are not to be underestimated.

So, when we kiss the internet goodbye we'd best stay "puckered up" because more losses will be following close behind.

So do not be so fast to state that none of this will affect you just because you do not live in America. And, Americans, be very wary any time you hear the phrases, "American Interests" or "Security Issue" or "National Security". All these have much different definitions than they appear to have.

Welcome to the "Corporate States of America". Welcome to "Corporate Planet Earth".....

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reply to post by digitaldissent


because wikileaks will be used as a pretext to censoring what you and i know as the internet.

consider yourself enlightened.

for further enlightenmen, please review This thread

or this

or an ats search should bring up any of the other countless threads discussing wikileaks and CIA involvement accusations.

as one of the users has already said, its no accident this happened right before an election.

reply to post by Stillalive


As George Carlin said, "in America we have the illusion of freedom and what that amounts to is the freedom to choose between 26 kinds of bagels".

reply to post by LordZero


Lots of networks already use cloud computing - usually without people knowing their computer has been hijacked - Google's just going out front with it.

...Google fought hard and long to protect the free Net - seems to me they're folding to global corporate pressure, aka Free Trade.

I suspect this may be a compromise position designed to save what freedoms can be saved. Don't know. ...Would like to hear more from insiders (economic and political - not just tech).

Although it does sound very drastic, I really can't see the US government being able to force people to take down sites. Especially if they are hosted in countries like iceland, sweden etc where their laws on copyright, freedom of information etc are such that you can seemingly host anything over there due to their own specific laws.

The fact that it is tied in to media companies suggests to me that it is more to do with torrent/file sharing sites that have pirated materials and are deemed illegal due to copyright infringement. I'd love to see them shut down ATS, much like wikileaks, we should mirror the site all around the world and then they won't be able to do diddly squat

Originally posted by iceblue20-12
Well if this happens the internet will not be worth having,unless you like reading material chosen for you.
If i cant access the sites i want to i will no longer pay for the service and pull the contract,if you are in a contract for internet and they can no longer provide the service you were paying for you have every right to cancel it.
Most wont care,most wont do anything about it,most will bend over and take it.

I will give it up too. I won't buy from the companies online, I will find another way and even go back to mailing "snail mail". At least through snail mail, they can't steal and read your material, its just a paper envelope and its folded from prying eyes. So, essentially, the government will make their job even harder. It will require us to get off of our lazy asses and get moving to make things happen and I dont think the government wants us to get active. Activity breeds action.I dont fold to those who try to control me, I find other ways. No one has puppet strings on this person.

"""because wikileaks will be used as a pretext to censoring what you and i know as the internet."""

I've got this old program called Neotrace where you can type in a website and it will show you the servers your computer connects to, between you and the website. Sites like Yahoo pinged across a dozen servers before I got to their website. When I type in Wikileaks.org.........it went from my internet provider to an Amazon hosting server. I know where that server is...it's really really close to me and on US soil.

I just googled it and even the Brit's are surprised America is hosting the Wikileaks website:


www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/amazon/8087651/Amazon-hosting-WikiLeaks-Warlogs-information.html


It's got to be a CIA op.

reply to post by HUMBLEONE

As George Carlin said, "in America we have the illusion of freedom and what that amounts to is the freedom to choose between 26 kinds of bagels".

Thanks for that one. Great quote.

Still, I'm glad, glad glad that COICA didn't make it through the Senate and on to Congress this round.

Hopefully it's dead. But I'm not counting on it. Expect a repackaged return.

Originally posted by PsychNurse
reply to post by Stillalive

 

Doesn't effect Canada... Woo Hoo!

edit on 25-10-2010 by PsychNurse because: (no reason given)

it does affect canada. any site in the usa that you currently enjoy may be affected. it's not like content servers down there will continue to run, and only americans will have the content filtered. the content simply wont be there any more, as the servers will shut down.
could happen to ATS, even! the US is becoming a COMPLETE police state, and canada's not far behind.

reply to post by billybob


You're right.

Plus, Free Trade Agreements stipulate that signatory nations' laws MUST be harmonized: changed to accommodate "free" trade.

...whichever laws are most "free" trade-friendly are the ones that fly. So laws like COICA, if/when they pass, become the model for new international laws under Free Trade Agreements - and everyone follows suit, globally.

NOT a good thing.

Originally posted by soficrow
Still, I'm glad, glad glad that COICA didn't make it through the Senate and on to Congress this round.

Healthcare reform failed before being passed too.

Just need the right motivation to pass it, extortion and bribery have worked well in the past, a few amendments, addition of pet projects and funding for ridiculous things that make senators happy, along with some real arm twisting and perhaps payoffs and backdoor campaign funding and they will get the votes needed to pass it, regardless of which party has a majority.

well, i guess this is what we all get for consistently infringing upon copyright laws and heavily crippling the entertainment industry, specifically the music industry, so that now the only way the industry still stands tall is on the legs of only 3 or 4 corporations rather than the dozens there used to be before they lost all their profits to internet theft on a massive scale. i mean come on guys, we are just as guilty as they are. if my company was being constantly robbed from a known source, i would want something done too. maybe this is less of a sign of police state and more of a sign of a chaotic state in the conscious of the public. its our right to steal, yes, but can you justify the theft? i dont think so. not enough money? go work, otherwise do without your desire like the rest of civilization had to through the thousands of years we've been a society of give and take.

What we're experiencing now of the internet is what we'll probably one day refer to as "the good ol days"

I just see censorship enivitable. Especially with where technology may go.

Entertaining industry should go down. We need art not entertainment, dumbing and numbing down everyone for money. There has been no more dangerous activity in history than theirs.

ATS Future Post 11/9/2012

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** This thread has been filtered by COICA

I need to get as much COD black ops under my belt as possible I guess! Haha, wow, thank you gov't once again for taking something else away from us, we can't let the internet open the hearts and minds of the mass! Thats exactly why this is in the works.

I am amazed at what fear can propel nowadays. Fear of the President because he's younger, and trying a new approach that hasn't been tried in awhile ( People called JFK a socialist too - in my opinion, it's an age discrimination en mass by the country ); fear of a horrible terrorist attack on our country ( "We're America! No one can hurt us! It must have been our own government and not some other "lesser" people!" ); and now fear of an emerging way to attain information.

The reason behind the fear of "piracy" is a mortality reason methinks, and is in no way connected to people actually losing their jobs ( though this has happened, but we have no way to tell if it's due to piracy or the economy storm ). The people funding and pushing this bill cannot wrap their minds around getting something extremely useful or inspiring for "free" from another person. This lends them to realize that the times are a'changing, and if the times time their own mortality could come to an end any day now. So, much like my theory of the older persons in the Tea Party, they resist that change I speak from experience on this - if it wasn't for a rutty DSL connection and a low end Dell computer, I would have never turned out how I have. A family history of drunks, underachieving your life goals, and just plain bad luck locked most of my family in a downward spiral.

Thankfully, I was able to meet people, read new information, and take in entertainment from many sources that allowed me to be a different person, entirely for the better. If COICA goes completely through the Senate and is signed into law, we could very well have an entire generation of intelligent persons, who are stuck in less than favorable situations who cannot afford to pay the blood leeches of the different entertainment corporations, wither and die in the backwoods and close minded suburbs of America.

Information is freedom, and for one stuck in a place where there is no information, it is a slow and painful mental death that damages everyone who could benefit from fresh insights.

Since most people have a vested interest in a free worldwide internet, and know that they have the technology to bounce this off satelites, and probably even other ways to bounce the signals, then its up to us, to ensure that no one can control people's access or use of it, extremities aside.

We have a lot more power than we think,our dollars fund everything, we're paying for it. And though the leaders are only puppets of a miltary complex cartel, we have the ultimate say by numbers.

Don't you think its overdue to make a difference, locally and abroad?

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Change The World You Say? Are You Ready for Change? The World Has Done It's JOB

Food for thought!

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thread here about how it just passed in the senate