Taking Harder Stance Toward China, Obama Lines Up Allies

reply to post by Jay-morris


All countries have committed horrible things.....to brand one over the other is to be naive!

Originally posted by Jay-morris
You know what, i just watched despatches on c4, and america have done some truely horrible things. Ok, China are flexing their muscles, and so they should. But you don't see China inading every country for oil do you? America seem to be bullies too me, and they are trying to bully China, and that will not work.

People may say China is this, and China is that, and in some cases, they are right. But people should look at america too, and the horrible things they have done before they condem China.

Dude, lets not go there ok? I see you are from the UK. Do we need to go through the history books to show what your country has done to other countries through out history? You are from one of the most barbaric Countries in history. You speaking of the U.S's downfalls is like Hitler saying the Jews deserved what they got. There is no innocence in any Countries barbaric doings.

Originally posted by 2Rotten4u
reply to post by Jay-morris

 

All countries have committed horrible things.....to brand one over the other is to be naive!

I never said that was not true, and i know that many, if not all countries have done horrible things. All i am saying is America are saying this and that about other countires, saying they are doing bad things, when they are doing the very same thing! You have to remember, America went into Iraq to get rid of saddam, and his weapons, and the link to terroists. But we all know that the only reason why they went into Iraq was oil, nothing more. In fact, Iraq is still a horrible place to live, alot of people say even worse. If this was any other country, they would have been condemed, but America seem to be untouchable, even after all the leaked documents, nothing will happen.

And yes, like i said before. China are not perfect. I lived in China for a few years, and i know first hand the troubles China has with freedom of speech, human rights, and the huge gap between the rich and the poor.

reply to post by Jay-morris


Once again, as I have stated before, all countries have committed horrible acts of violence, and you say and I quote, " All i am saying is America are saying this and that about other countires, saying they are doing bad things, when they are doing the very same thing!"

Hate to inform you, but all countries make accusations towards others...all countries point fingers at each other for what ever reason?!

You continue to point the finger at America as if we are the only ones over stepping our boundaries? I would be more than happy to give you an history lesson that would show beyond a reasonable doubt, that the actions of other countries far surpass any actions that America has done. Case in point, ( quickly though ) just look at the confrontation between Palestine and Israel, Palestine has continued to use suicide bombers against the people of Israel, innocent civilians dead. And where are the Israel suicide bombers? Haven't seen them have you? Point I'm trying to make is that though we over step our boundaries ( and I'm not disputing that ) when was the last time you saw a suicide American bomber who ran into a pizza shop and wipe out the innocent? You haven't on that one as well~

that is a small example but a point non the less~

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It's not that I'm giving them too much credit it's that they have successfully so far ran rings around the opposition, AKA US!

the first key to winning in a situation like this is to never ever underestimate what you're up against... they are far from infallible but keep in mind they have had a LONG TIME and lots and lots of Super cluster run time to figure out contingencies and have the FULL GAMUT of civilian and government databases against which to model group dynamics and the behavior of individuals...

It would be stupid to think they aren't pretty freakin EXCEPTIONAL.... they do after all run things... and cherry pick the best brightest and most sociopathic from every academic class... They have raped pillaged and burned the world and MADE MONEY off of every bean bullet Band Aid AND REBUILDING Effort after the dust settles.

as an example of how good they are... people still invest in the stock market! Even though there are COUNT THEM NOT ONE BUT TWO separate ways that certain interests front run the markets by up to 30 seconds...
One is the second quote delivery system which has less than a hundred clients and only gets offered to a select group of BIG BOYS... this system is differential and lets these subscribers still pull live up to the second data when the main quote system is bogging... and they can keep placing orders real time while the second system LAGS as far as 30 seconds... This means the select few who have access to this are effectively trading 30 seconds in THE FUTURE from everyone else during high volume trading.
TWO is HFT algorithims... these have been caught bid stuffing and front running and contrary to SEC reports are the cause of these meteoric single stock and index flash crashes .

YET people still keep throwing money into a system that is less honest than VEGAS... and that doesn't even touch on the new circuit breaker rules which the SEC can roll back your trades in certain situations up to 30 minutes from BIG moves.. Now the interesting thing is they don't have to roll back EVERY trade they get to pick which trades roll back.. YOU really think GOLDMAN will get told sorry your trades got rolled back?

So yes I do think they're that good... That does not mean they are unbeatable... matter of fact the solution is easy it just requires enough of us to get mad.

Originally posted by 2Rotten4u
reply to post by Jay-morris

 

Once again, as I have stated before, all countries have committed horrible acts of violence, and you say and I quote, " All i am saying is America are saying this and that about other countires, saying they are doing bad things, when they are doing the very same thing!"

Hate to inform you, but all countries make accusations towards others...all countries point fingers at each other for what ever reason?!

You continue to point the finger at America as if we are the only ones over stepping our boundaries? I would be more than happy to give you an history lesson that would show beyond a reasonable doubt, that the actions of other countries far surpass any actions that America has done. Case in point, ( quickly though ) just look at the confrontation between Palestine and Israel, Palestine has continued to use suicide bombers against the people of Israel, innocent civilians dead. And where are the Israel suicide bombers? Haven't seen them have you? Point I'm trying to make is that though we over step our boundaries ( and I'm not disputing that ) when was the last time you saw a suicide American bomber who ran into a pizza shop and wipe out the innocent? You haven't on that one as well~

that is a small example but a point non the less~

America doesn't need suicide bombers we're high tech. Instead we use cruise missiles and predator drones kill innocent people and sometimes Xe.

But back on topic, The world has bent to the will of the US since WWII and even more so since the collapse of the USSR. Now we can't handle the fact that another country can say stand up to us and it's our own fault for being so dependent on them.

Originally posted by 2Rotten4u
reply to post by Jay-morris

 

Once again, as I have stated before, all countries have committed horrible acts of violence, and you say and I quote, " All i am saying is America are saying this and that about other countires, saying they are doing bad things, when they are doing the very same thing!"

Hate to inform you, but all countries make accusations towards others...all countries point fingers at each other for what ever reason?!

You continue to point the finger at America as if we are the only ones over stepping our boundaries? I would be more than happy to give you an history lesson that would show beyond a reasonable doubt, that the actions of other countries far surpass any actions that America has done. Case in point, ( quickly though ) just look at the confrontation between Palestine and Israel, Palestine has continued to use suicide bombers against the people of Israel, innocent civilians dead. And where are the Israel suicide bombers? Haven't seen them have you? Point I'm trying to make is that though we over step our boundaries ( and I'm not disputing that ) when was the last time you saw a suicide American bomber who ran into a pizza shop and wipe out the innocent? You haven't on that one as well~

that is a small example but a point non the less~

You don't understand what i am trying to say. America have poked their nose into alot of other countries business. They lie just to get into the country, only so they can get oil. You know thats the only reason they went in there. Now, what i am trying to say is they throw their weight around, while their own country suffers greatly. How much money have they wasted in wars just to gain a pipe? how many inncocent lives have been lost due to America gaining a pipe? a hell of alot. If this was any other country, say a smaller country doing the same thing, they would have been jumped on a long time ago. But with all the stuff coming out now on what actually happened in Iraq, i bet nothing will happen, because america seem untouchable.

Originally posted by SKinLaB

Originally posted by Jay-morris
You know what, i just watched despatches on c4, and america have done some truely horrible things. Ok, China are flexing their muscles, and so they should. But you don't see China inading every country for oil do you? America seem to be bullies too me, and they are trying to bully China, and that will not work.

People may say China is this, and China is that, and in some cases, they are right. But people should look at america too, and the horrible things they have done before they condem China.

Dude, lets not go there ok? I see you are from the UK. Do we need to go through the history books to show what your country has done to other countries through out history? You are from one of the most barbaric Countries in history. You speaking of the U.S's downfalls is like Hitler saying the Jews deserved what they got. There is no innocence in any Countries barbaric doings.

or the Jews saying the Phillistines deserved what they got lol lol lol the British are the worst

Originally posted by SKinLaB

Originally posted by Jay-morris
You know what, i just watched despatches on c4, and america have done some truely horrible things. Ok, China are flexing their muscles, and so they should. But you don't see China inading every country for oil do you? America seem to be bullies too me, and they are trying to bully China, and that will not work.

People may say China is this, and China is that, and in some cases, they are right. But people should look at america too, and the horrible things they have done before they condem China.

Dude, lets not go there ok? I see you are from the UK. Do we need to go through the history books to show what your country has done to other countries through out history? You are from one of the most barbaric Countries in history. You speaking of the U.S's downfalls is like Hitler saying the Jews deserved what they got. There is no innocence in any Countries barbaric doings.

Have you been reading what i have been saying? Yes, of course i know what we have done in the past, and i have not once said that America is the only country doing bad things. I am disgusted with the uk going to a pointless war with Iraq, and we should be punished for that, just like america should be.

I have not one bone of Patriotism in my body, and i never have. All i am saying is going into Iraq was wrong. It was in no way for the better of the Iraq people. It was for oil, as simple as that. And like we always do, we followed America into that war.

I love being an American. Threads like this just put a smile on my face.