The Sphinx Origins and a Final Link to Pre-Dynastic Egypt

a reply to: Harte

Nibiru isn't a planet, it's a neutron star. Very small relatively in size but very powerful.

I believe this is triple system. The sun, a brown dwarf or magenta and a neutron star cycling between our sun and the other as they dance around one another.

1=3

Highly speculative theory here.. but would be amazing if true.

This reply was originally meant for someone you replied to that had brought up Enki. Sumerian I believe..?

There is a thread floating about the main page at the moment regarding the multiple system theory..

a reply to: Harte

I think the author meant relief stones or stones used in creating it.

I know by now your quite educated when it comes to Egypt. I know we have had disagreements and I have been arrogant in our back and fourth. I beleive now that 13000bp was not correct but.. I do still believe it was there before the complex was built. More so that Giza was constructed around the Sphinx but the entire architecture and concept must not have been planned from the outset as the second causeway is all wrong. Unless it was constructed that way purposely, but I don't know.

This thread (for me) also linked Aker and the Dream stele. As above so below. Guarding the horizon from dusk till Dawn. Below and overhead. The constellation may not have been called Leo but there was an Egyptian constellation for sky symbol for the Lion. There is a lion on the Dendera zodiac. I recall we disagreed about the lion or was it "Leo" being a constellation in ancient Egypt.that argument may have been with Harte.. either way. No punn intended..

Interestingly rather than a hunter it seems a person is providing an offering in the older depictions. Perhaps the Greeks or Romans adapted the hunter design. It's the same for the seemed stele, the humans on either side of the back facing sphinx's are giving an offering. Water and wine possibly?


The glyph for Horizon is above the head of both Sphinx on the stele. I may have already noticed that. It's yet another link. Also the Sphinx on the right of the stele seems more feminine. I wish I could read the glyphs for myself.

Other animals look familiar, too. There is an eagle, but its not Aquila, and a lion, but the stars around the lion are like no constellations we see today - it's not Leo.

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I want to that yourself and Harte for all your contributions in my thread as over ambitious as it's been. Your input is invaluable.


James

originally posted by: Havick007
a reply to: Harte

Nibiru isn't a planet, it's a neutron star. Very small relatively in size but very powerful.

I believe this is triple system. The sun, a brown dwarf or magenta and a neutron star cycling between our sun and the other as they dance around one another.

1=3

Highly speculative theory here.. but would be amazing if true.

This reply was originally meant for someone you replied to that had brought up Enki. Sumerian I believe..?

There is a thread floating about the main page at the moment regarding the multiple system theory..

An interesting idea but how can you explain why we do not observe their gravity influence? Two such bodies cannot be detected (by their influence on the orbits of the existing planets) which means they are either very small, they don't exist or gravity doesn't work the way we think?

Oh and I'll let Harte know you are looking for him.

originally posted by: Havick007
a reply to: Harte

Nibiru isn't a planet, it's a neutron star. Very small relatively in size but very powerful.

I believe this is triple system. The sun, a brown dwarf or magenta and a neutron star cycling between our sun and the other as they dance around one another.

Brown stars are bright and larger than Jupiter. en.wikipedia.org...

They also have a large enough gravity field that planets orbit them (which we'd see pretty easily.) And a neutron star would also be visible if it was close to our sun. But in order to form, the original star would have to be a solar giant that went supernova: en.wikipedia.org...

That'd destroy everything in its associated system.

So it's "no" to both of those.

originally posted by: Havick007
a reply to: Harte

I think the author meant relief stones or stones used in creating it.

I know by now your quite educated when it comes to Egypt. I know we have had disagreements and I have been arrogant in our back and fourth. I beleive now that 13000bp was not correct but.. I do still believe it was there before the complex was built. More so that Giza was constructed around the Sphinx but the entire architecture and concept must not have been planned from the outset as the second causeway is all wrong. Unless it was constructed that way purposely, but I don't know.

The stones from the pyramid are taken directly from the quarry that includes the outcrop that was turned into the Sphinx (Mokattam formation). Your idea requires carving the Sphinx but leaving a deep hole and afterwards people came and leveled the area and built the pyramid from the stones.

Not really workable, IMHO.

This thread (for me) also linked Aker and the Dream stele.

Erm... are you familiar with the translation of the Dream Stele? Not the summary. The translation? (and you know it's from the time of Hatshepsut, right? About a thousand years after Giza)

The constellation may not have been called Leo but there was an Egyptian constellation for sky symbol for the Lion. There is a lion on the Dendera zodiac. I recall we disagreed about the lion or was it "Leo" being a constellation in ancient Egypt.that argument may have been with Harte.. either way. No punn intended..

Their "lion" was our Scorpio (apparently)... and the Dendera zodiac is from the time of Cleopatra, some 2,000 years after Giza.

Interestingly rather than a hunter it seems a person is providing an offering in the older depictions.

That's a pharaoh in the classic "striking enemies of Egypt" pose. There's a bazillion examples of it, with text describing what he's doing. Offering poses are different. In this case he's probably seen as striking the crocodile, which by the time of Cleopatra may refer to Horus spearing Set when he was in crocodile form during the contesting for the kingship of the gods.

It's the same for the seemed stele, the humans on either side of the back facing sphinx's are giving an offering. Water and wine possibly?

That's why I asked if you had read the translation. It's Thutmoses giving an offering to Horus, the god of kingship, in one of his many forms (says so in the text.) Not water and wine, but a jar and then incense and a libation offering (again, hundreds of examples of this from other pharaohs before and after)


[quoteThe glyph for Horizon is above the head of both Sphinx on the stele.
That's part of the spelling of the name Harmakhis (the name of the Sphinx... loosely translated the name means "horus of the horizon")

I may have already noticed that. It's yet another link. Also the Sphinx on the right of the stele seems more feminine. I wish I could read the glyphs for myself.

It's possible. There's online study groups. I'm in one of them.

Other animals look familiar, too. There is an eagle, but its not Aquila, and a lion, but the stars around the lion are like no constellations we see today - it's not Leo.

The Egyptians were such bad astronomers that it's hard to figure out which groupings of stars they meant. For an example of how bad they get, look up the decans sometimes and the Egyptian star tables.

Translation of the Dream Stele.
www.ancient-egypt.org...

Note that the "introduction" basically identifies the deity as Horus, the god of kingship. Yes, all of it. Those are his titles.

a reply to: Hanslune

Pluto's orbital plane perhaps. There are also several comets with a similar orbit.

Please don't, I would be stuck between heart and a feather(Byrd) again.. love that irony in this particular thread. You know.. weighing of the heart.

Seriously, I hope it's not a triple or binary system. Most likely not.

a reply to: Byrd

I know the story, the title is a spoiler though. It was Thutmose IV that commissioned it actually.

A strange and unknown fact, Moses' full name before leaving Egypt was Thutmose, not Thutmose IV. The prime minister of the time was Ay( pronounced I) The Thutmose I refer to was either the brother of Akenaten or Tutankhamun. Was a sculpture, part of the royal family but not by blood. After seeing the waste offerings at Amarna along with many other things. We know the story as Exodus. The time frame is perfect. I can tell you where the Jews came from before arriving in Egypt. See below. What were they called or known as before the Jew, Jewish or Hebrew Byrd?

The Jewish people that left Egypt were the world first mass refugees of a natural disaster. The eruption at Santorini. Once again, the timeline is corroborates this. They only considered themselves as slaves because they came from what they considered privilege and a different system of governance. To them the Egyptian way of life for a citizen was slavery. It was almost a quasi socialist/monarchy. The workers worked and in return were given food, shelter, protection and worship. Along with the ability to barter. From Santorini and surrounding islands, most likely what was Atlantis. Akrotiri, the "Minoans".

What do you know of the "companions of Horus"? I can't find it again online but it relates to Santorini (Atlantis). I heard that term along time ago and it was when I put it all together. Now I can't seem to find it. Is it familiar to you?

Aker has to be one of my favourites, yet so mysterious. Representing the eternal present moment. Between yesterday and tomorrow. And to bend or bow. Those that bend. Akeru are the cult of Aker, which I'm sure you being the expert that you are, already know. Mim, also interests me. But that would be off topic.

The iconography of pillars has also changed over the years. For example, another fact. Mary and Martha (the sisters of Lazarus) where pillars of strength. There depictions slowly went from they themselves to pillars in many images and buildings.

originally posted by: Havick007
a reply to: Byrd

I know the story, the title is a spoiler though. It was Thutmose IV that commissioned it actually.

A strange and unknown fact, Moses' full name before leaving Egypt was Thutmose, not Thutmose IV. The prime minister of the time was Ay( pronounced I) The Thutmose I refer to was either the brother of Akenaten or Tutankhamun.

...who wasn't Moses. Seriously.

His titles include "son of my body" which would never have been given to an adopted son of his daughter. Ay *might* have been Tutankhamun's uncle but not via Akhenaten (whose lineage is well attested) but rather Nefertiti. And that's if he was actually a member of the royal family. (see kingtutone.com...)

Was a sculpture, part of the royal family but not by blood. After seeing the waste offerings at Amarna along with many other things. We know the story as Exodus. The time frame is perfect. I can tell you where the Jews came from before arriving in Egypt. See below. What were they called or known as before the Jew, Jewish or Hebrew Byrd?

They were called Canaanites, and they weren't in Egypt at all until much later (the time of Ramesses II.) Figures in the Bible are considerably inflated -- if 600,000 people left Egypt (see www.gotquestions.org...) the entire economy would have collapsed. That didn't happen.

The Jewish people that left Egypt were the world first mass refugees of a natural disaster. The eruption at Santorini. Once again, the timeline is corroborates this. They only considered themselves as slaves because they came from what they considered privilege and a different system of governance. To them the Egyptian way of life for a citizen was slavery. It was almost a quasi socialist/monarchy. The workers worked and in return were given food, shelter, protection and worship. Along with the ability to barter. From Santorini and surrounding islands, most likely what was Atlantis. Akrotiri, the "Minoans".

Pharaohs had no need to import slaves since effectively everyone and everything in Egypt was owned by them (it's called "corvee labor.")

At that time, the land we know as Israel (and a good portion of the lands around it) were Egyptian client kingdoms and had been under the subjugation of Egypt for centuries. So the idea of the Hebrews leaving Egypt and fleeing to... Egypt (the area of Israel) isn't valid. It wasn't until much later that Egypt lost control of that land and it was no longer a part of Egypt. You can see a map of how much territory Akhenaten controlled here: www.brown.edu...

What do you know of the "companions of Horus"? I can't find it again online but it relates to Santorini (Atlantis). I heard that term along time ago and it was when I put it all together. Now I can't seem to find it. Is it familiar to you?

I know that there's a lot of ...fanciful... interpretations. However, it's a title sometimes given to the group of men who traveled (in early dynasties) with the king as he did the biannual cattle count (see page 19 of www.researchgate.net... /Monograph-on-bovine-mycoses-and-mycotoxicoses.pdf - even though it's on cattle diseases)

See also the Ancient History Encyclopedia: www.ancient.eu...

And Wikipedia (which also has references to papers with the original hieroglyphic texts) en.wikipedia.org...

It can also refer to city and town deities that were forms of Horus (as the Horus of Behedet): dl.uc.pt... (see page 175)

And (depending on how the Egyptians spelled it)... it's also the name of a group of mythical kings who ruled Egypt after Horus and before Menes. You can find an (outdated by a century) discussion of it in Moret's book on the Egyptian Civilization (I've bookmarked the source and it should show the multiple references to shemsu hor - which includes the three forms I've mentioned: archive.org... )

So the answer is "it's complicated." And the "alternative" stuff on it is... fanciful and not grounded in what the Egyptians wrote except very obliquely.

Aker has to be one of my favourites, yet so mysterious. Representing the eternal present moment. Between yesterday and tomorrow. And to bend or bow. Those that bend. Akeru are the cult of Aker, which I'm sure you being the expert that you are, already know. Mim, also interests me. But that would be off topic.

"Akeru" is simply the plural of "Aker". Not the cult of Aker. Followers would be Shemsu Aker or Shemsu Akeru or something similar.

Thanks for all this information, Byrd. I think I read somewhere that mentioned having studied Egyptian archaeology at an advanced level? It shows ....

originally posted by: Hooke
Thanks for all this information, Byrd. I think I read somewhere that mentioned having studied Egyptian archaeology at an advanced level? It shows ....

I have an undergraduate degree in Egyptology from the University of Manchester.

Please you human fools, We beg you stop moving backwards. Sphinx is tetramorph, Man-lion (jesus) and ox-eagle (Lucifer)

Why do you choose to work backwards from the past rather than forward? You people disrespect mental retards of the present and illiterate bondsman of the past who have excuse. What is your excuse?

originally posted by: AnodeOrCathode
Please you human fools, We beg you stop moving backwards. Sphinx is tetramorph, Man-lion (jesus) and ox-eagle (Lucifer)

Why do you choose to work backwards from the past rather than forward? You people disrespect mental retards of the present and illiterate bondsman of the past who have excuse. What is your excuse?

Gosh mankind was making progress until you posted that. The entire framework of our understanding the past has collapsed due to that single post.

Shame on you!

LOL

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Hooke
Thanks for all this information, Byrd. I think I read somewhere that mentioned having studied Egyptian archaeology at an advanced level? It shows ....

I have an undergraduate degree in Egyptology from the University of Manchester.

That is on paper in reality those of us who have known her for decades realize her knowledge level is well above the Postgraduate level tending towards Emeritus.

a reply to: Hanslune

Upto your old tricks again I see.

a reply to: Byrd

I have an undergraduate degree in Egyptology from the University of Manchester.

Did you learn any astro archaeology on your course because the land of Kemet is all about the stars?

a reply to: Havick007

Nibiru isn't a planet, it's a neutron star. Very small relatively in size but very powerful. I believe this is triple system. The sun, a brown dwarf or magenta and a neutron star cycling between our sun and the other as they dance around one another.

Agree with you and there is a tsunami of evidence to back this up from different facilities..

Happy moon day :-)

a reply to: Byrd

They also have a large enough gravity field that planets orbit them (which we'd see pretty easily.) And a neutron star would also be visible if it was close to our sun. But in order to form, the original star would have to be a solar giant that went supernova: en.wikipedia.org...

That'd destroy everything in its associated system

Not saying its a brown star but there are three independent papers stating they can mathamitcally prove the existence of a third star. Maybe you should go and have a read.

So its not exactly a no.. is it?

a reply to: Hanslune

That is on paper in reality those of us who have known her for decades realize her knowledge level is well above the Postgraduate level tending towards Emeritus.

The problem lies with the faculty. Less than ten percent of the hieroglyphs have been deciphered yet people claim they emphatically know whats going on here. As far as I can see its still well up for grabs..

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Hanslune

Upto your old tricks again I see.

Nope but I'm still enjoying ignoring you