'The Rapture'--the Principal 'Illuminati' Doctrine of Social Control

(To begin with, I do not believe that there is any such thing as an ‘Illuminati’. What I believe is that there are Jewish, Christian and Muslim religious ‘authorities’—each and every one of whom, as far as I have been able to tell, considers himself or herself ‘Omniscient’, absolutely incapable of theological error; and, for all practical purposes, not merely ‘Illuminated’, but equivalent to the Creator Himself—who are doing everything in their power to preserve their own economic interests; establishing, for that reason, extensive economic alliances with, especially, the international weapons manufacturers and other international financial powers; and supported, of course—through both the universal propagandizing of their vicious lies; and, simultaneously, the relentless censorship and suppression of the Knowledge received through Revelation—by their accomplice whores in the national, international and Internet media.):

The doctrine of ‘the Rapture’—while, purportedly, a religious doctrine consisting of the florid psychotic delusion that ‘believing’ Christians will be miraculously ‘snatched away’ from the coming horrors; while infidel Jews, Muslims, and even ‘unbelieving’ Christians will be exterminated in the ‘Holy and Horrific Vengeance of God’ referred to in the 12th Chapter of the Book of Daniel as the “time of trouble”—is, first and foremost, a doctrine of social control; the secular variant of which is that it is, instead, alien races from different planets or solar systems, visiting this planet in “UFO”s (or Useful Fools’ Obsessions), which will ‘miraculously’ prevent this civilization from having to suffer the horrific consequences of its own moral depravity (the whole issue of “disclosure’ being considered as, for all practical purposes—as clearly demonstrated by a number of threads on ATS—the secular equivalent of the “Second Coming”).

In other words, it is of quite significant benefit to ‘the powers that be’ that, as the international financial system and the national economies on this planet move ever more rapidly towards a traumatic implosion—and, especially, as the Middle East moves ever more rapidly and inexorably towards the horrors of World War III over the issue of the possession of Jerusalem and Iran’s uranium enrichment program—that millions upon millions upon millions of people be completely pacified by the delusion that, in one way or another, they will soon be ‘miraculously’ rescued from these coming horrors; for which reason they will remain calm, will have no interest whatsoever in preventing these horrors; and, instead, can even be expected to not only foam at the mouth in anticipation of these horrors; but, also, to do everything possible to, in fact, actually incite the war of the United States and the Israel against Iran which will result in World War III.

Thus, the most lethally dangerous information with regards to the ‘Illuminati’s plans for social control is any information which threatens, in particular, the doctrine of ‘the Rapture’ as a mass social control mechanism; that information consisting of the Truth about the Doctrine of “resurrection” as a Doctrine of ‘Rebirth’—which eliminates both ‘the Rapture’ and the ‘necessity’ of Jesus returning “on a white horse out of the sky” (information relentlessly censored and suppressed by the various medias for more than 32 years)—as well as the Knowledge Revealed through the Opening of the Seven Seals in the Revelation of John.

Michael

The rapture does not occur in the first 7 years of the apocalypse,what does happen is the resurrection of the DEAD in Christ,the living go no-where,after this 7 years is the 1000 year reign of the Lord of Hosts,not Jesus Christ,in the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem,Jesus is in HEAVEN for these 1000 years,then there is the second and final 7 years of the apocalypse and on the LAST DAY the rapture occurs,earth is then toast and new heaven and new earth start.So by their own scriptures you don't have to worry about the rapture or the end of the world for at least 1014 years.

IMO the "rapture" is just another way to make some people think that they are more "special" then others, based on their religious beliefs. Half of the people that claim that the "rapture" is true, have either not gotten the story straight, or believe that they have indeed solved the puzzle of words written by man, that sound like something from the bible.

This fits in perfectly with the agenda of those who work very hard by the way to keep people in the mind set of either the "chosen" or the "enlightened", when in fact it is another form of mind control that has plagued this planet since the beginning of time.

Peace, NRE.

Originally posted by anglodemonicmatrix
The rapture does not occur in the first 7 years of the apocalypse

'The Rapture' does not occur at all.

And, when the coming war breaks out in the Middle East--and these tens or hundreds of millions of Christians have not been 'Raptured' by then--what will be needed is tens of billions of dosages of Haldol or some other anti-psychotic when all of these people begin to finally realize that they are not 'going anywhere'.

what does happen is the resurrection of the DEAD in Christ,the living go no-where,after this 7 years is the 1000 year reign of the Lord of Hosts,not Jesus Christ,in the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem,Jesus is in HEAVEN for these 1000 years,then there is the second and final 7 years of the apocalypse and on the LAST DAY the rapture occurs,earth is then toast and new heaven and new earth start.So by their own scriptures you don't have to worry about the rapture or the end of the world for at least 1014 years.

All of this florid nonsense is a very direct doctrinal consequence of denying the "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

Inasmuch as the "resurrection" consists of the Revelation of the Memory of Creation (Genesis 2:7) and the revelation of the memories of previous lives, references to "the resurrection" by Isaiah, Daniel and Ezekiel are not to be understood as events in the space-time reality, but as referring to memories of previous lives.

And similarly for references to "the resurrection" in the Quran; Mohammed being both Elijah and John the Baptist 'raised from the dead' in fulfillment of the Prophecy of Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew 17:11-13.

Michael

reply to post by Michael Cecil

If you read me carefully I was stating what their own scriptures say I was a fundamental Christian and I know the story from pillar to post,as for now no I dont believe a word of it anymore in fact I would say there isn't a dogma,doctrine,faith or creed available to the masses on this planet worth a cup of warm piss.

Originally posted by anglodemonicmatrix
reply to post by Michael Cecil

 

If you read me carefully I was stating what their own scriptures say

Well, this is not what the Revelations say.

This may very well be what Paul says; but Paul, and the Pharisee-Christian theologians who follow his Satanic doctrines (the Holocaust was not "figs from thorns") turned and have turned the Teaching of Jesus upside down.

That is one of the principal causes of the horrors in the world today.

Michael

reply to post by Michael Cecil

Yes it is what the King James Bible says try Rev 20 and 21,but for the whole story there is also Isiah,2 Peter and other scriptures to get the whole picture try a good bible school such as the Stewarton Bible School which is online I believe they would agree with my outline.

Originally posted by anglodemonicmatrix
reply to post by Michael Cecil

 

Yes it is what the King James Bible says try Rev 20 and 21,

Neither you, nor any Christian theologian with decades more experience than you, has any idea whatsoever of the meaning of Revelations 20 & 21.

The Revelation of John was penned by someone who had received both the Vision of the "Son of man"--referred to as the "Vision of Knowledge" in the Thanksgiving Hymns of the Dead Sea Scrolls, as the "Tree of Life" in Genesis 3:24, and as the "Nighty Journey" in the Quran--as well as the Revelation of the "resurrection", including the Revelation of the Memory of Creation (Genesis 2:7) and the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

Anyone who has not received those specific Revelations has no Knowledge as to what is being referred to by John.

Michael

To many people get riled up by the Rapture. It is a very interesting theological concept. Of course the word Rapture doesn't appear in the Bible, other then in Greek when refering to "the Gathering" that Paul spoke of.

Having studied it I have come to the conclusion (as a Christian) that if the events of Revelation come to pass in a literal way, I HOPE there is a Rapture. I do however; think that 1) there may well not be, and 2) too many Christians don't pay attention to several of the events happening in the world because they think they will be "gone".They therefore are not mentally or actually prepared for many of the world wide events that may unfold in the next few years (whether they are part of the Christian end times scenario or not)

Originally posted by SrWingCommander
To many people get riled up by the Rapture. It is a very interesting theological concept.

More importantly, it is based upon a flagrant contradiction of the Revelation of the "resurrection" and is a florid delusion.

In theological terms, it is a doctrine of Satan.

Having studied it I have come to the conclusion (as a Christian) that if the events of Revelation come to pass in a literal way, I HOPE there is a Rapture. I do however; think that 1) there may well not be, and 2) too many Christians don't pay attention to several of the events happening in the world because they think they will be "gone".They therefore are not mentally or actually prepared for many of the world wide events that may unfold in the next few years...

Just my point.

And how, precisely, do you 'think' that these people are going to react when they finally discover that there is no such thing as the 'Rapture'?

That will occur when it is universally recognized that something has occurred which was NOT supposed to have occurred at all until AFTER the 'Rapture'--perhaps the outbreak of the war with Iran--and the 'Rapture' will NOT have occurred by then.

Then it will become instantly and horrifically clear to these tens and hundreds of millions of Christians that they have been LIED to by their religious leaders for the purpose of making MONEY off their gullibility.

In other words, what was once a doctrine of absolute social control, will instantly be transformed into a cause of mass chaos.

This is something that, certainly, the political establishment has never seriously considered...

And what the Christian religious 'authorities' have never considered...

Because they are too busy laughing themselves all the way to the bank.

Michael

Well first, most of the Christians that I know aren't so wrapped up in the Rapture doctrine that if "certain things happen AFTER the Rapture was supposed too" as you put it...won't be worried about how much money the church has made off them. Nor would i consider Rapture theology being a major money maker for any particular denomination (although with some Christian authors you could make this point), but again the 6 or 7 books that I have bought on the subject it wouldn't equal enough money lost for me to get that upset. Not to mention after having sat in on some church budget meetings...I am not sure where all this fleecing of cash is coming from you mention......many churches are lucky to pay the utilities.

Second, a war with Iran doen't necessarily have to happen after the Rapture does, even if you think such a conflict would lead to the war mentioned in Ezekeil 38/39. A war with Iran, under the premillenialist dispensational interpretation of the end time event is generally understood NOT to be the battle of armeggdon. I know in many of his books TIm Lehay , a fervant pretribulation rapture proponant...thinks the Ezekiel battle could happen either before or after any Rapture of the church.

Originally posted by SrWingCommander
Nor would i consider Rapture theology being a major money maker for any particular denomination (although with some Christian authors you could make this point), but again the 6 or 7 books that I have bought on the subject it wouldn't equal enough money lost for me to get that upset.

Just a few observations here.

1) 6 or 7 books multiplied by a few millions or tens of millions is not merely chump change;

2) You don't appear to understand the large-scale dichotomy that is being presented here: Say 'yes' to Jesus Christ as your 'L'ord and 'S'avior OR suffer the horrors of Armageddon because you have not been 'Raptured'. In other words, the entire motivation for belonging to a church at all and turning over one's money to that church in order to 'save' others from the horrors of not being 'Raptured' originates in that Satanic doctrine. The economic benefits of that doctrine to the Christian religious 'authorities' cannot really be determined with any certainty.

Not to mention after having sat in on some church budget meetings...I am not sure where all this fleecing of cash is coming from you mention......many churches are lucky to pay the utilities.

You completely miss the point.

The land has been bought for the construction of the church; the church has been constructed; there are hundreds of thousands of people whose salary, pension and health insurance are paid for by congregants of that church; or, in the case of broadcasting ministries, the construction of TV studios, the purchase of $100,000 TV cameras that have been paid for by the viewing audience.

There are book publishers, religious magazine publishers, radio stations, music companies, video-tape manufacturing companies, etc. etc. etc.

The Satanic doctrines of Christian theology are at the foundation of a multi, multi, multi BILLION dollar enterprise.

How much land--and GOLD (at more than $1350/oz)--does the Vatican own? How many buildings, hospitals, orphanages, universities, religious orders, with their hundreds of thousands of people who need to be fed, housed, and cared for in their old age?

Maybe this is a TRILLION dollar enterprise...

All of which is at immediate risk were it universally known that Christianity has turned UPSIDE DOWN the Teaching of Jesus on the "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

Second, a war with Iran doen't necessarily have to happen after the Rapture does, even if you think such a conflict would lead to the war mentioned in Ezekeil 38/39. A war with Iran, under the premillenialist dispensational interpretation of the end time event is generally understood NOT to be the battle of armeggdon.

Then you have not really been paying too much attention at all to the reality of the situation in the Middle East, nor considered at length the necessary political, economic and military consequences of the outbreak of such a war.

The time interval between the outbreak of a war with Iran and a much more generalized war throughout the Middle East is probably much LESS than the time interval between the murder of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and the outbreak of World War I.

Michael

How little sense of personal responsibility does a person need to believe in a rapture? Or maybe these people feel they are above cause-effect (karma, reap what you sow). I feel one has to have overflowing amounts of suppressed guilt to become this delusional. The reflection and truth of our involvement in the mess we have made as species and spiritual adultery with the God of fear becomes such a burden that we just bury this realization deep in our subconscious. Add a dash of blatant misinterpretation of manipulated scripture, generalized ignorance, extreme fear of death and low intelligence quotient and you have a perfect voluntary slave and victim of mass social control, namely, the rapture.

Isn't the precedent for the theory of a rapture the taking of a group of people to hide in the mountains while war is being waged underneath?

Could there be a few relatively safe places on or in earth, in high altitude or deep underground, where people will be safe from all the chaos?

reply to post by Isawsomething


Well said. They live in a self-willed fantasy land of cognitive dissonance.

Hi Michael, how are things going?

If I understand you correctly, you are of the belief that the Rapture not happening will result in people realizing that the church established by Paul and the Apostles is incorrect, and that you, Michael, have the answers they seek. Hopefully I got that right.

The two most obvious flaws in your argument (apart from the one claiming that your visions are the truth, and everyone will sort this out) are that "Rapture theology" is a relatively recent phenomenon (1800s) that, despite the impression one might get from a certain poorly written series of fiction, is not a commonly held belief, and certainly not a deeply ingrained one, apart from a significant minority. So the number of people who would despair if they get "let down" would be pretty small.

The other flaw is that (for those who believe in it) the Rapture is viewed as the event which "heralds" the time of tribulation and the build up to the Apocalypse. Christ's admonitions about signs of the end are pretty vanilla -- a war in the Middle East is pretty much par for the course, hardly something that people would latch onto and say "here it begins." As a result, few would even realize that the Rapture didn't happen until we're pretty deep into things.

So, it is highly unlikely that anything is going to happen that will result in your scenario coming to fruition. Well, if the Rapture did happen, that would result in a fair bit on consternation, but that's not really what you're looking for.

Personally, I don't give it a lot of thought -- fore warned is forearmed, true, but what will happen, will happen. As Christ himself says "Don't worry about tomorrow, tomorrow will bring its own worries. Today's trouble is enough for today."

reply to post by adjensen

The doctrine of the 'Rapture' is merely the superficial aspect of something much more 'problematical'.

That the Doctrine of "resurrection" is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

In other words, all of these hundreds of millions of Christians who believe that they are going to heaven at all--and this is what? 90%?--are also in error.

They are not going to heaven; neither are they going to hell.

They will be required to live additional lives; even though they don't have any memories of their previous lives.

Even if there were no such thing as the 'Rapture' in the first place, that would be sufficient to cause at least some angst among these Christians.

After all, how many of these Christians would like to face the possibility that they might very well be 'raised from the dead' as Muslim citizens of Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan in their future lives?

And how many Zionists would like to face the possibility that they might very well be 'raised from the dead' as Muslim Palestinians, or even as Arab-Israelis in their next life?

And how many Muslim men would be willing to face the possibility that they may very well be 'raised from the dead' as even Muslim women in their next life--to face the horrors of female genital mutilation?

Don't know that you really appreciate the depth of this 'problem'.

Michael

Originally posted by Isawsomething
How little sense of personal responsibility does a person need to believe in a rapture? Or maybe these people feel they are above cause-effect (karma, reap what you sow). I feel one has to have overflowing amounts of suppressed guilt to become this delusional. The reflection and truth of our involvement in the mess we have made as species and spiritual adultery with the God of fear becomes such a burden that we just bury this realization deep in our subconscious. Add a dash of blatant misinterpretation of manipulated scripture, generalized ignorance, extreme fear of death and low intelligence quotient and you have a perfect voluntary slave and victim of mass social control, namely, the rapture.

And the danger, of course, is that all of this contents of the 'unconscious' will be VERY rapidly brought into consciousness when the 'Rapture' does NOT occur as has been anticipated.

This is something that, it appears, no one is really paying any attention to.

Michael

reply to post by Michael Cecil

only the spiritual can see the things of heaven
you are merely on the the wrong side of reality could you change that with a read in the book?
some of us see the world being hurtful and don't believe the lie that it will go on forever, we see that there's someone in control as this war on lies plays out, there must be a God.....and we are not it

reply to post by Michael Cecil


We have, of course, gone over this before, and I continue to respectfully disagree with pretty much everything that you say, but the point of your thread is that the Rapture (well, lack thereof) will have a significant impact on the acceptance of Christianity.

So, again, I ask you -- unless the tribulation is somehow self evident, no one is going to know that the Rapture didn't happen, so how is this relevant? In addition, the tribulation is the period before the end times, you know "end of the world, wrath of God" kinds of stuff, and it's a short period, so why would anyone know and/or care about being reincarnated... er, excuse me, being "reborn" as a Muslim, Jew, Tea Party member, or whatever, since it's not going to happen?

Michael, my criticism with your views is as much about the baselessness of them as it is with your mixing Christian beliefs with Gnostic and mystical ones, ignoring conflicts, contradictions and outright nonsense, such as this. I guess that it speaks to the power of Christ that people who have no faith in him always seem to want to bring him on board with beliefs that are counter to his teachings.

You claim to have insider information, your visions, and yet you refuse to share them in any meaningful way, instead you offer up things like this that don't hold up under even cursory examination. If you think that you've real insights into the future, don't you think that it would be a good idea to be a little more forthcoming, less obtuse, and lay off the goofy theorizing? At the very least, you might acquire a bit of credibility.

Originally posted by Michael Cecil

Originally posted by anglodemonicmatrix
reply to post by Michael Cecil

 

Yes it is what the King James Bible says try Rev 20 and 21,

Neither you, nor any Christian theologian with decades more experience than you, has any idea whatsoever of the meaning of Revelations 20 & 21.
.....
Anyone who has not received those specific Revelations has no Knowledge as to what is being referred to by John.

Michael

you see, it doesn't matter.
good wins. the how is inconsequential.