'The Rapture'--the Principal 'Illuminati' Doctrine of Social Control

reply to post by Michael Cecil


I've come to believe that people who believe in "Rapture" are deranged white folk, who have a minimum of three young children, are always smiling and praising the lord for his love of humanity (let's not talk about him allowing innocent children to starve to death in Africa or die of cancer just about anywhere else) and who hope that some horrific plague or world war destroys them but not necessarily the rest of us, by say, the end of next week.....

So when this "Rapture" happens, they'll all be whisked up, up and away to live happily ever after in heaven while the Jews, Muslins, atheists, agnostics, Buddists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and most every other type of non-believer (in their eyes) will forever roam a scorched, barren and rocky world (in bare feet no doubt) looking for nuts and berries to eat....

reply to post by eNaR

My view precisely.

But I am also particularly fond of a quote from Jack Van Impe from several years ago in reference to the Second Coming:

"And Jesus will return, riding a white horse out of the sky, and zap the wicked."

ZAP the wicked.

Got that?

ZAP.

My wife and I were rolling on the floor at that one.

We almost coughed up our popcorn at that one.

We used to like to eat popcorn when watching "fantasy theology".

It's better than "phantasy football" (I suppose).

Michael

reply to post by Michael Cecil

Yes his flying white horse pig-asses shooting laser beams out of his eyes and thunderbolts out his ass,wonder how a white horse stacks up against an F22 Raptor.

Originally posted by anglodemonicmatrix
reply to post by Michael Cecil
Yes his flying white horse pig-asses shooting laser beams out of his eyes and thunderbolts out his ass,wonder how a white horse stacks up against an F22 Raptor.

Well, as a respiratory therapist with some knowledge and experience with blood gas analysis...

I have to wonder whether the horse will be BLUE as a result of either hypoxia and/or the temperatures at even 30,000 feet.

And, before this Jesus could say ANYTHING, he would be dragged into court on felony cruelty to animals.

And I would submit a "friend of the court" brief.

Michael

You really are too much.
So aside from your hate and contempt for anything christian, you claim to replace said christian theology.
It's telling how the bigots and haters just crawl out the woodwork for this
Nice claims, HOAX.

Somebody really pissed into your christian corn flakes.

The Rapture is hardly a means of social control... as a Protestant and a Baptist, I can hardly find two people in the same church that agree on the interpretation of these scriptures and doctrines, much less two churches literally down the road from one another.

The fac that you believe the Rapture is suppose to keep people in line while a large MidEast War is played out coinciding with Economic Collapse caused by hidden powers...ie Illuminati, well...that is pretty much the Apocolypse right there...3 of the four Horsemen of the Apocolypse right out of the scriptures. If you believe those three things...why not the creme del a creme?

The so called rapture doctrine is not really that old...what, 1830s? However, if you read Revelation...after the Seven Seals and at the end of the Seven Trumpets, BUT before the Seven Vials or Bowls of Gods Wrath...that is when the angels come down at Jesus/God's instruction and harvest the Earth of Thee Church...the true believers...and not all those that proclaim God will be taken.

No, I do not agree with your premise of social control via the Rapture Doctrine... way too many viewpoints to be effective.

Originally posted by harryhaller
You really are too much.
So aside from your hate and contempt for anything christian, you claim to replace said christian theology.

Read the news recently?

The Vatican now officially claims that the Christians--and, then, everyone else, I suppose--have REPLACED the Jews as the "Chosen people"; or else that there is "no such thing" as a "Chosen people".

I am not a Jew.

I am a Muslim.

And those doctrines of replacement theology contradict the Revelations of the Torah, the Prophets, the Book of Daniel, the words of Jesus himself, and the Revelations in the Quran

It's telling how the bigots and haters just crawl out the woodwork for this.

Luv it.

Nice claims, HOAX.

Well, you got the phonetic TONES down PERFECT: Long I, Long A and Long O.

Your only error is with regards to the concepts that you have.

But, of course, you have no Knowledge of the meaning of the phonetic tones because the media and the religious 'authorities' have relentlessly censored that Knowledge Revealed through the Vision of the "Son of man" (the ten phonetic tones are referred to as the "ten horns" in both the Book of Daniel and the Revelation of John).

Never mind.

Not surprisingly,

Michael

reply to post by Michael Cecil


Oh yes of course i forgot. You have knowledge. which make you impervious to us lesser beings, and logic.

Originally posted by Michael Cecil
I am not a Jew.

I am a Muslim.

It's about time.
I have read so many of your posts trying to figure out your theology through all the hate I see spewed, and I never could figure out what exactly you did subscribe to.

Thanks.

If I missed in amongst all the posts, forgive me.

God Bless~

Originally posted by harryhaller
reply to post by Michael Cecil

Oh yes of course i forgot. You have knowledge. which make you impervious to us lesser beings, and logic.

Don't take these things personally and don't be offended.

This is a Doctrinal issue.

There is a difference between the consciousness Created by God and the 'fallen' consciousness.

There is a difference between Revealed Truth (the white horse in the Revelation of John) and the thoughts of the 'thinker'-theologians (the black horse in the Revelation of John). And logic is human thougt. A black horse compared to a white horse. Darkness rather than Light.

In the War of the Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness, the Sons of Light are those who have received Revelations and those who believe the Revelations; the Sons of Darkness are the theologians and those who believe the doctrines of the theologians originating in the consciousness of the 'thinker'.

In Walt Disney's Sleeping Beauty, the two-horned Maleficent (see Chapter 13:11 of the Revelation of John) represents the consciousness of the 'thinker'-theologians, the thorns around the castle where Sleeping Beauty is are the theologies which surround Revealed Truth. And, it is only when the prince cuts through the theologies with the sword of Truth that the consciousness of the 'thinker' manifests in the dragon ("Now shall you deal with me, oh prince, and all the powers of hell!!):

www.youtube.com...

And, at approximately time segment 3:44 the entire screen goes yellow as the witch morphs into the dragon--yellow being the color of the Third Church in the Revelation of John "where Satan is enthroned"; which is the solar plexus, the emotion of which is fear.

Michael

Originally posted by Michael Cecil

Originally posted by harryhaller
You really are too much.
So aside from your hate and contempt for anything christian, you claim to replace said christian theology.

Read the news recently?

The Vatican now officially claims that the Christians--and, then, everyone else, I suppose--have REPLACED the Jews as the "Chosen people"; or else that there is "no such thing" as a "Chosen people".

Actually, he said the second, but both it, and the first, are really nothing new, it's called Supersessionism, and has been around forever, for both Catholics and Protestants. The Catholics, through Vatican II, pulled back from the direct position stated there, so he was talking a bit out of turn.

I suspect that the nature of his statement is more a comment on entitlement than it is on divine blessing.

I've wanted to make a thread about this topic for a while. Ok so, my grandfather is a baptist preacher. When I started telling him about some of the crazy things I've learned the past few years, he said he wasn't worried about anything because jesus will come get us before it gets REALLY bad. As soon as he said that, I realized the rapture is just a way to pacify people like the OP says. Yeah, lets not do ANYTHING to stop any evil, because Jesus is comin to save us on a flying horse. yeah OK.

Originally posted by electricalsocket
I've wanted to make a thread about this topic for a while. Ok so, my grandfather is a baptist preacher. When I started telling him about some of the crazy things I've learned the past few years, he said he wasn't worried about anything because jesus will come get us before it gets REALLY bad. As soon as he said that, I realized the rapture is just a way to pacify people like the OP says. Yeah, lets not do ANYTHING to stop any evil, because Jesus is comin to save us on a flying horse. yeah OK.

This is the fundamental problem here.

People get the idea that something has been Prophesied; and how do they respond?

They respond by doing everything they can possibly do to confirm the Prophecy or, at least, not interfere with the fulfillment of the Prophecy.

But just put all of this in personal terms.

What if someone told you a genuine Prophecy that your house would be broken into and various forms of violence inflicted on you and your family? And, remember, this is a genuine Prophecy.

What would you do?

Would you sit around and wait until the fulfillment of that Prophecy?

No rational person would.

Any rational person would buy an alarm system; would buy a weapon; hire an armed guard, if they had the money; would plan to do everything they could possibly do to PREVENT the fulfillment of that Prophecy.

But how do these Jews and Christians and Muslims respond?

By doing EVERYTHING they can possibly do to INCITE such a conflict.

Why?

Because their religions have Prophesied that conflict.

And what they are MOST concerned about is NOT human life at all; but, rather, that their RELIGION be proven to be the TRUE religion.

They do not believe in any God that I believe in.

They believe their RELIGION is God; a 'God' which demands HUMAN SACRIFICE.

I believe in a God of Truth.

Mi cha el

Originally posted by Michael Cecil
But how do these Jews and Christians and Muslims respond?

By doing EVERYTHING they can possibly do to INCITE such a conflict.

Why?

Because their religions have Prophesied that conflict.

And what they are MOST concerned about is NOT human life at all; but, rather, that their RELIGION be proven to be the TRUE religion.

That's a very good point, though once again, you're grabbing a really tiny segment of the religion and then extending that out to everyone, which is an obvious fallacy.

But I've heard a number of "Mad as a Hatter" types, who do, indeed, believe that pushing along the end times is something that people should actively be doing, in order to bring God's Kingdom about. I say "Mad as a Hatter", because this clearly is madness -- I'm all in favour of God's Kingdom, but God says that it will come in his time, not ours, and in the interim, Christ teaches us to love one another, and starting wars is hardly a way to do that.

As for the conflict itself, the point of it isn't to validate any faith (and so, a war between Israel and Iran, for example, that had nothing to do with the end times would be tragic and purposeless,) but to wind things down and establish God's Kingdom, which will exist (or not) outside of anyone's belief.

Events do not vindicate faith, because faith is faith in something that IS, not in something that happens.

They do not believe in any God that I believe in.

Then why do you keep claiming to be Muslim? That's not an insult, I'm just curious as to why you'd claim it, when you so obviously disagree with it. Maybe you'd be better off with a new label like "Christo-Muslim" or "Neo-Muslim" or something.

reply to post by adjensen

As I said, no rational person would sit around and wait for the fulfillment of Prophecies so horrific as have been related by Daniel, Ezekiel, Zechariah and others.

If people TRULY believed in those Prophecies, they would do EVERYTHING in their power to PREVENT their fulfillment...

Even going so far as to sacrifice their beliefs that their religion is EXCLUSIVELY the Truth.

But that they WILL not do.

They would PREFER that the Prophecies be fulfilled--even as HORRIFIC as they are--than that their beliefs be demonstrated to be WRONG.

Those who believe that the Doctrine of "resurrection" is the doctrine of a physical raising of a dead body from the grave, for example, PREFER the horrors of Armageddon than to acknowledge that the "resurrection" is, instead, a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'...

Which is WHY they have censored both this Truth and the Prophecies I have sent them of the coming "time of trouble".

This is why the Quran states that "Idolatry is WORSE than bloodshed."

Mi cha el

Originally posted by Michael Cecil
If people TRULY believed in those Prophecies, they would do EVERYTHING in their power to PREVENT their fulfillment...

Even going so far as to sacrifice their beliefs that their religion is EXCLUSIVELY the Truth.

If they believed a Biblical prophecy, why would they think that they could prevent it? Prophecy is supposed to be an early warning system, it's not a roadmap to fighting God.

Like I said, there's no reason to move things along, and next to no one believes that, but if it's coming, it's coming and there is nothing that you or I can do to change that.

But you've some circular logic going here:

1) I believe in some prophecy
2) I determine that my faith can't be true, because the prophecy is terrible
3) Prophecy is no longer irrelevant
4) I now lack a reason not to believe that my faith can't be true,
5) Goto 1

Eventually, I'm going to adopt the belief that the prophecy isn't relevant, regardless of the state of my faith, because it is merely a proclamation of something that is supposed to happen, sometime, most likely long after I've departed this mortal coil.

Originally posted by adjensen If they believed a Biblical prophecy, why would they think that they could prevent it?

Are you serious?

No, I mean really.

Are you serious?

It is statements like this that make me wonder whether you have EVER read the Bible at all.

Have you never heard of the Prophecy of Jonah about the destruction of Nineveh?

As I recall, he went to the ruler of the city with the Prophecy and said that people would have to repent or the city would be destroyed.

And what happened?

The people repented, the city was saved....and Jonah felt humiliated.

But that is the entire PURPOSE of Prophecy: not to annihilate people, but to convince people to repent of the violation of the Moral Law and the contradiction of Revealed Truth.

But maybe that is not so widely understood as I expected.

What if all of the horrifying Prophecies of the coming "time of trouble" were specifically for the purpose of forcing people to LOOK at the religious implications of the doctrines that they believe in?

What if all of those Prophecies were intended to be a WARNING to, especially, the religious 'authorities' NOT to contradict the Revelations; because to contradict those Revelations would result in unspeakable horrors?

But, instead, those warnings are DISinterpreted by the different religions as evidence that their religion is the TRUE religion and that the other two religions are FALSE religions.

And, worse, when someone comes along not only with very SPECIFIC Prophecies; but, also, very SPECIFIC Doctrinal errors of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim religious 'authorities', he is looked upon as threatening to upset the apple cart.

Unlike the people of Nineveh, who chose to REPENT, the Jewish, Christian and Muslim religious 'authorities' have NO desire to repent of their Doctrinal errors at all.

Instead, they convince people that the Prophecies CANNOT be prevented or even diminished at all because THEY refuse to repent.

Mi cha el

Originally posted by Michael Cecil

Originally posted by adjensen If they believed a Biblical prophecy, why would they think that they could prevent it?

It is statements like this that make me wonder whether you have EVER read the Bible at all.

We're not talking about some dire warning about what will happen if certain people don't behave, Michael, we're talking about "end of the ages" prophecy. If you wish to believe that Daniel and Revelation are "here's what might happen, at some indeterminate time, if the people of that time don't do something undefined," that's fine, but you are out of congruence with everyone else who has read such texts, and are apparently out to make liars of the prophets.

Originally posted by adjensen
We're not talking about some dire warning about what will happen if certain people don't behave, Michael, we're talking about "end of the ages" prophecy.

Well, as is typically the case, Sir, you are arguing far 'above your pay grade'.

The situation is, in fact, much worse than you are speculating here.

I have received very specific Visions/Prophecies of the coming "time of trouble".

Do you know what I mean by those words?

Of course not.

You would probably define them as "hate speech".

Not only that; it has been specifically Revealed to me what can be done not to prevent the fulfillment of those Prophecies, but to diminish the suffering and the loss of life.

And this is what I have been doing for these past 34+ years.

But, unbeknownst to a person who has never walked even so much as one step down the road that I have walked for these past 34+ year, a prophet is very restricted in what he is permitted to say.

He cannot say with absolute certainty that the Prophecies will be fulfilled, because the entire purpose of the Prophecy is to warn people in order to at least diminish the severity of the Prophecies.

And, at the same time, he cannot say that the Prophecies absolutely CAN be prevented; and for the same reason.

He is not God; he is not Omniscient.

And, in this particular case, there is no way for me to know that, at the very last minute, ONE media official or another will choose NOT to censor the Truth about the Doctrine of "resurrection" which is at the foundation of the conflicts in the Middle East and the MAJOR theological threat to the future of human civilization.

If you wish to believe that Daniel and Revelation are "here's what might happen, at some indeterminate time, if the people of that time don't do something undefined," that's fine, but you are out of congruence with everyone else who has read such texts, and are apparently out to make liars of the prophets.

Nononononononono.

Forget about the Book of Daniel and the Revelation of John.

Ultimately, what it comes down to is the Revelations and Prophecies I have received.

I changed the place of my residence and began informing others of the Prophecies I had received even BEFORE I had read the 12th chapter of the Book of Daniel at all.

I was not a religious person at the time; I had NO interest in theology at all.

I was studying Quantum Physics and Ordinary Language by Bergstein, The Evolution of Physics by Einstein and Infeld and The Metaphysical Foundations of Modern Science, by E.A. Burtt; and was planning on going to graduate school to study the History and Philosophy of Science when I received the Revelations and Prophecies.

And you can't imagine my surprise.

Mi cha el

Originally posted by Michael Cecil
And, in this particular case, there is no way for me to know that, at the very last minute, ONE media official or another will choose NOT to censor the Truth about the Doctrine of "resurrection" which is at the foundation of the conflicts in the Middle East and the MAJOR theological threat to the future of human civilization.

Setting aside, for the moment, your continued misunderstanding of the word "censor", how can you claim that something only you seem to have received as a revelation, something that pretty much no one agrees with you on, and something "theological" can be the root of the conflicts in the Middle East and be any threat to the "future of human civilization."

If you wanted to say "if people would listen to me, there would be no conflict in the Middle East," I guess that's one thing, but how can people be in an existing conflict over something that they've never heard of?

Forget about the Book of Daniel and the Revelation of John.

Then why do you keep bringing them up, if they're not relevant?

I changed the place of my residence and began informing others of the Prophecies I had received even BEFORE I had read the 12th chapter of the Book of Daniel at all.

I was not a religious person at the time; I had NO interest in theology at all.

As I have said before, I admire the courage of your convictions, and am genuinely sorry for the decades of difficulties that you have endured, but none of that changes the fact that your visions have led you astray, into a realm that has no basis, theologically, historically or rationally. Every point of dispute that I or others have raised is ignored, answered ineffectively, or dismissed with an elitist "you aren't capable of understanding."

This is the reason that you are ignored, Michael. Your belief in your perspective is as strong as my belief in Christianity is, but belief cannot refer back to itself as proof, which is why I don't say "believe in Christianity, because I believe in Christianity," but this is all that you have to offer.

"Believe in my prophecies, because I believe in them."

Actually, it's worse than that, because you don't even say what these prophecies are, so you're effectively saying to believe you as a prophet who makes no proclamations, beyond obviously fallacious teachings that are little more than regurgitation of Christian Gnostic beliefs that you don't understand.