US announces $2bn military aid package for Pakistan

Originally posted by LadySkadi
Perhaps a little nugget thrown Pakistan's way in order to pacify them over the $60b Saudi deal.
Notice that even Israel isn't screaming too loud about that either? They got a little something too.

So everybody is getting a little taste in order for them to stay inline? It's funny that you brought up Isreals silence. Pakistan is mostly Muslim and are Nuclear armed. heh heh heh

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by thoughtsfull

 

You may be interested in these threads I wrote awhile ago then.

The New Great Game
Battle of the Titans: The New Great Game II
and
Iranian revolt Explained - Wake Up!

Thanks I will have a read

So, slayer, what do you feel the next steps might be? $2bn in aid seems a lot, but what will it actually purchase?

The Pakistani Police lack the basics including body armour and helmets so we know the money is not actually trickling down to those on the ground fighting, and if it is not trickling down to those on the ground how are they (the Pakistanis) going to fight terrorism in a real way!

Personally I have too many questions... still, I guess we'll see the where this is all going soon enough..

reply to post by thoughtsfull



Actually IMHO I think the Obama admin just purchased the supply line routes to be reopened into Afghanistan...
I feel Pakistanis arent going to really fight. Many of the Taliban who are fighting in Afghanistan are actually Pakistanis. It seems that contrary to pop culture opinions the Taliban are NOT the most popular guys in town...

This is nonsense, and given the recent track record of our supposed allies Pakistan, we ought to severely decrease funding or rescind it altogether. Last I checked, the government in Islamabad is threatened by an insurgency as well as Afghanistan. Extremism threatens their government as it threatens NATO and Karzai government in Afghanistan. Furthermore, they have not been very welcoming to NATO's logistics network through their country. For example, fuel trucks turning up missing, threats of apply excessive taxes to shipping within Pakistan, militants attacking convoys, and they have kicked around the idea of possibly securing the border altogether. Then, the Taliban has used Pakistan as a safe haven and terrorists have turned it into a training base. Unfortunately, for the West, if Pakistan decides to cut-off logistics through their country, it will put the military operating in Afghanistan in peculiar situation.

Now, the Pakistanis are up in arms at the US destroying Taliban strongholds with drones, but they are not doing enough to keep the Taliban from rearming in their country and taking the fight back to Afghanistan. On another note, an inquiry about the Mumbai Attacks has been attributed to the Pakistani intelligence service.

Pakistan spies 'had role in Mumbai attack plans'

David Headley, who confessed to surveying targets for the attacks that left 166 people dead in November 2008, made detailed claims about support from the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) agency, said Britain's Guardian newspaper.

Headley described dozens of meetings between officers of the ISI and senior militants from Laskhar-e-Taiba (LeT), said the paper, citing a 109-page Indian government report into his interrogation.

David Headley aka Daood Gilani is in US custody, and Indian Investigators were given direct access to him after the attack. Contents in the report were attributed to the Headley interrogations. Another aspect to this funding quagmire is what the ISI is doing with the Taliban and their role in the growing difficulties presenting themselves to NATO forces in Afghanistan? They appear to be a rogue element within the government which has yet to be addressed?

There ought to be a moratorium on financial support to Pakistan until the irregularities between the US and Pakistani governments can be ironed out, because there are a lot them. However, realistically, the US has no choice, but to keep sending financial support to Pakistan, because if not; I am unsure how they would get supplies and fuel to the armed forces in Afghanistan? Afghanistan is a landlocked country, and that is a serious problem. However, the situation with Pakistan, and their allegiances are of concern as well.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Those where my thoughts too... however I do feel your view lends itself to the recent Sky News story that "Britons are bankrolling the Taliban" not that I agree with the way the media have spun the news, especially in the use of the term Taliban, but, it is logical that as Britain has the largest overseas Pakistani population they would be the ones providing the largest amount of support to Pakistanis in the region..

reply to post by thoughtsfull



Well war makes strange bedfellows..
What I don't get is why Pakistan refuses to see the potential danger in their own country from these extremists while they support them trying to influence activities in their favor across the border in Afghanistan.

Double post

Originally posted by SLAYER69


I'm sorry this sounds more like a bribe than an "AID" package. We bomb the crap out of Taliban positions inside Pakistan becuase they wont do whats needed inside their own borders. Then they turn around and close the border for NATO supplies and now this....

Who here wants to take bets that NATO supplies will start flowing again through Pakistan and that Drone strikes in their country will start to slow down?



www.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

I'm willing to take bets that this aid will end up in the hands of the Taliban and borders remain closed.

On the surface it looks like we're fighting the Taliban but underneath, the Obama administration is kissing Taliban tail.

You think the death toll in Afganistan is getting worse? Wait until these little bastard Talibans start killing our troops with our own weapons.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by thoughtsfull

 

Well war makes strange bedfellows..
What I don't get is why Pakistan refuses to see the potential danger in their own country from these extremists while they support them trying to influence activities in their favor across the border in Afghanistan.

I certainly agree with that sentiment, but I do think those playing the great game have been manipulating things in the nation so long they have created a fractured society, out of which I certainly would expect extreme views and actions to be the norm.

The thing I can not work out, is how much of the situation has been created by accident and how much has been created deliberately.

This smacks of desperation. Its a bribe to try and maintain the unsatisfactory status quo because nobody knows how to improve matters.

The country is officially an ally of the west but that position isn't internally popular with the muslim population. The government is weak and unstable with a history of coup d'etat. The intelligence service (ISI) basically just does its own thing. From an ISI perspective its better to have most of the insurgents fighting the Allies in Afghanistan than fighting the Pakistan army in Pakistan. Selfish but rational from that narrow perspective.

The border areas aren't really borders to the people there any way, so any thought that they can 'control the border' is fanciful. The military are more concerned with their blood feud with India than with US interests. Oh, and its a nuclear nation as well so we cant just turn on them for their duplicity, or we could have an even worse scenario.

Not sure I see a better option. I'd be interested if anybody else does?

Hey, that is my money they are bribing the wrong people with. Who said they could spend it? I did not give permisson. I guess you have to start a petition or something to control the money, congress seems to have been left out of the picture.

reply to post by SLAYER69
Befre i even clicked this thread the caption reminded me straight away of robocop,halfway through the movie ther is an ad for a game called nukem to those fans of robo u know what i mean

Originally posted by SLAYER69


I'm sorry this sounds more like a bribe than an "AID" package. We bomb the crap out of Taliban positions inside Pakistan becuase they wont do whats needed inside their own borders. Then they turn around and close the border for NATO supplies and now this....

Who here wants to take bets that NATO supplies will start flowing again through Pakistan and that Drone strikes in their country will start to slow down?



www.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

This is bigger than some drone strikes or a bit of payolla. The US is trying to shore up the existing moderate government to try and prevent the take over of the Pakistan government by radicals. Remember, pakistan is a nuclear power. Most people simply don't know how iffy the whole thing is in Pakistan.
If the moderates fall, the US has special forces teams on standby to take over and keep, AT ANY/ALL COSTS, all pakistani nuclear sites. Do you know what kind of bloodbath this would cause?
This money isn't a bribe but to shore up the government and hopefully prevent the worst case scenario from happening.
If pakistan falls, it could be the beginning of WW III so we need to take this a bit more seriously.

reply to post by SLAYER69


yep bribe we are giving money to a country who is funding those same people who are killing americans

reply to post by jfj123



It's funny you mentioned their Nuclear arsenal potentially falling into radical hands I wrote this thread a while ago....
Elite US troops ready to combat Pakistani nuclear hijacks

The US army is training a crack unit to seal off and snatch back Pakistani nuclear weapons in the event that militants, possibly from inside the country’s security apparatus, get their hands on a nuclear device or materials that could make one. The specialised unit would be charged with recovering the nuclear materials and securing them.

reply to post by SLAYER69


pakistan has between 70-90 nukes i really wonder how accurate that total is ?


the article i just read says they have no icbms to launch them with which means

truck bombs,ship bombs,cargo aircraft

Isn't pakistan the 2 faced scum bags sending insurgants into afghanistan??? Clintons going to give them fuggin money?? This is insane.. I know some homeless people that need housing and a hot meal. I can only help so many......

reply to post by neo96



ICBMs = Inter-Continental-Balistic-Missile....
They do have short and medium range missiles that could hit Isreal and parts of the EU. Not only that but a group could potentialy take a warhead and use it as a cargo container bomb and ship it to any number of global ports.

Originally posted by thecinic
Isn't pakistan the 2 faced scum bags sending insurgants into afghanistan??? Clintons going to give them fuggin money?? This is insane.. I know some homeless people that need housing and a hot meal. I can only help so many......

If America thought it could take on Pakistan face to face in this kind of situation, America would have went for it by now, instead America has joined the proxy war which is a completely idiotic, nonsense and with absolutely no objectives. America didn't have to join the proxy war, but it did, now America is facing the consequences.

Worse, it isn't the corporation or the government, but the average American Joe who is suffering due to this war, the hardworking Americans whose money being stolen and used for an unnecessary war + used to pay the enemy who is paying the insurgents to kill American soldiers.

You have every right to be pissed off, but it is better to show your anger in real life, in front of your corrupt government's face, rather than internet.

Protest > Strike > Riot > Revolution!!

This is a great thing for the blood suckers in the Military Industrial Complex and there phony wars. Indeed, since the phony war in Vietnam, the phony Iraq war and the phony present war on Terror, all of them exist primarily to feed what Eisenhower warned us against--the Military Industrial Complex.

Its clear now that Pakistan is in cahoots with the Military Industrialists in America, and of course their Mandarins Hillary and Obama, in becoming one of the top customers of the Complexes lethal weapon industry where a small group of rich white men are becoming richer by the day as they peddle lethal weaponry to the various armies across the globe to Americas clients of death, such as Pakistan, Israel, and these so-called terrorist who are also in the game of phony wars of death--the new arena for the worlds gladiators.

Amazing all this money to a nation that on 911 the chief of their intelligence service sent Muhammad Atta 100, 000 dollars!

Its just a game and show where we little people are the pawns, players . . . on the low end of the stick, and if we are lucky sometimes the spectators in this deadly game.