Lights Over El Paso, TX October 15, 2010 (SOLVED/Identified - SkyDivers)

Ok so here's the debunking of the debunkers.

First if you look at the vid's the debunkers posted of the GK's at night, their flares are on till they land. Common sense would approve of this since of the main reason to use the flares at night would be to know each others location in order to avoid accidental and disastrous contact.

However in this event, these lights disappear in midair. The anchor mentions it in the report. So now we have 4 "professional" parachutists in a regimented group (military) free falling in the dead of night with no way of knowing each others location?

Sorry but the events do NOT match up. Those lights as posted in the DEBUNKERS' evidence clearly shows them landing with the flares still burning. THAT would be the common sense and practical thing to do., but it is not the case this time. Thus I am led to believe this is still a UFO case. (note: ufo in it's pure definition of unidentified, not alien - unless proven otherwise)

How hard would it be to e-mail a copy of the video to the Golden Knights, along with the pertinent information and simply ask them if this is one of their practice sessions? I will look for contact information for them.

Here is a link to the Golden Knights WebSite

So, the Golden Knights can put on an unannounced aerial display and excite many people into thinking they're seeing UFOs? Niiiiiice! Either that theory is complete BS or the military-secrecy complex is WAY more diabolical than anyone realizes. And that would be INEXPRESSABLY diabolical.

reply to post by TrueFalse


The Golden Knights are parachuters not aircrafts.

reply to post by RequiemAgent


Night vision goggles

radar stuck to the arm

Originally posted by TrueFalse

Originally posted by Clisen33
This is what I remember ATS being all about. Something abnormal happened in the sky and was presented on the forums. Everyone brainstormed as to what it could and could not be, and through proper research - we came up with an explanation which was the Golden Knights practicing. We were able to do this without digressing with personal attacks and sarcastic comments (Hinting from the NYC UFO thread).

Occam's razor can be applied to this event:

• Airshow this weekend.
  
• Golden Knights performing at said airshow.
  
• Golden Knights practice the day before the performance.
  
• Video and article on said practice.
  
• Flares/Lights in said video were seen in the external videos.
  

Simplest answer - Golden Knights.

very nice points, but one thing you still have to explain. Which aircraft is able to fly straight down and then just suddenly stop ? This really seem strange, and how can they move into the formations and still be able to "hoover" over one place.
I believe that it could be an airshow, but what they where testing was no conventional aircraft...

It's not the aircraft that is in the video, it's the actual parachutists flying down in a formation with the flare/slights on their ankles. You can see them light the flare right before they jump. The light they emit in the that video is the exact same thing in the ground video. Once they split up, they pull the chute open which causes the sparking trail to dissipate.

At first I was like "Oh damn this is it!" but after some logical thoughts, it obviously shows that it was indeed the Golden Knights.

PS my burgers are on the grill, short post.

reply to post by DeepestOne


Show me proof that the GK's practice jump with NVG's.

reply to post by RequiemAgent


So what you're trying to say here is that a group of highly skilled parachutists can't do it at night?

This is your "debunking of the debunkers"?

reply to post by esteay812


I already contacted the airshow in El Paso which is holding a performance by the Golden Knights today and tomorrow. They said the Golden Knights were indeed practicing for the today's airshow on Oct. 15th at night with their fireworks.

www.amigoairsho.org...

You can contact them your self...

Address:
109 N. Oregon, Suite 1112 - El Paso, TX 79901
Phone: 915-562-6446

reply to post by RequiemAgent

The videos also show flares burning out before reaching the ground.

The purpose of the flares is for display, a crowd pleaser. Many night jumps are made without flares...by civilians even.

reply to post by RequiemAgent


I was not being serious they was ideas, there are may ways to navagate through night but.

Prove to me they was not using NVG's

Also for me and you it would be difficult and dangerous to do this at night be for professionals its a walk in the park ie i cant backflip but an acrobat could do it blind with no arms

reply to post by Chadwickus


Before you go putting words in my mouth, I never said it's not possible. I said that the videos (proof) they posted do NOT match the OP's vid, therefore, it can't validate their claims. And if debunkers are using common sense in their validations, then it would be hypocritical not to agree that common sense would dictate that they would not freefall in such dangerous conditions for just a practice jump.

reply to post by Chadwickus


Most are wondering WHY they practiced at night for a daytime show.
Does seem odd but who knows

reply to post by DeepestOne


I don't have to, my argument has nothing to do with NVG's, yours does. If you want to be credible then provide proof. I provided facts/evidence for my basis, and I even incorporated evidence from both sides of the issue.

and where are the other 7 (or 8) jumpers?

reply to post by bigbomb456

and where are the other 7 (or 8) jumpers?

They apparently didn't use their flares because it was only practice..
Why waste a $5 flare huh..

Originally posted by RequiemAgent
First if you look at the vid's the debunkers posted of the GK's at night, their flares are on till they land. Common sense would approve of this since of the main reason to use the flares at night would be to know each others location in order to avoid accidental and disastrous contact.

If you watch this following video at 3:24 you will see a GK landing without a flare.
www.youtube.com...

If you watch other videos of the GKs, you will see the have dim glow sticks tied to their back so they can help see each other.

www.elpasotimes.com...

Originally posted by RequiemAgent
However in this event, these lights disappear in midair. The anchor mentions it in the report. So now we have 4 "professional" parachutists in a regimented group (military) free falling in the dead of night with no way of knowing each others location?

Wrong... they have glow sticks... some even have small flashing LEDs.

Originally posted by RequiemAgent
Sorry but the events do NOT match up. Those lights as posted in the DEBUNKERS' evidence clearly shows them landing with the flares still burning. THAT would be the common sense and practical thing to do., but it is not the case this time. Thus I am led to believe this is still a UFO case. (note: ufo in it's pure definition of unidentified, not alien - unless proven otherwise)

Wrong, I just showed you evidence directly refuting what you just said. Debunking your debunk of "debunkers".

But will you still believe it's a UFO? Yes... most likely.

reply to post by scitpeks


It's not just a daytime show! STOP LYING!

They do it at night because the fireworks look better!

See:


Stop lying NOW.

reply to post by RequiemAgent


Go to any halo night jumps, NVGs are quite common. Furthermore, what makes you certain they need NVGs? With giant flares strapped on especially. These men train for parachuting like the blue angels do for formation flying.

I'm obviously not in the position to tell you what it was and what it wasn't. However using logic and sensible thinking, the likely conclusion is that the source of these UFOs is the Army's elite exhibition parachutists. Video evidence matches up well at this point. Scheduling confirms that the Knights were doing a night jump at the same time, in close proximity to the source(s) of this footage. Visibility stretches into the miles on a clear night.