There WILL be war in the U.S.!

The one thing that I have come to learn in the last 10 years (most of those years as a lurker) is that every prediction on the ATS forums NEVER comes true. When something significantly unfortunate DOES happen, you will never find a thread here predicting it. You would think that after a million predictions that one would come true. NOPE!!

So I am NOT worried one bit as this is just another of the infamous ATS predictions...

reply to post by Subjective Truth

Given a long enough timeline, the Banks will square off against the people? Or, the military will be unpaid, revolt and possibly be harshly dealt with? Or, that hyperinflation will lay waste to our currency and lead to riots and food wars?
Or, all three?
It looks like the Banks WILL square off against the people REAL soon. Hyperinflation is anybody's guess when, not IF. As far as the military, I hope that never happens, but it is a strong possibility that what I say is correct.

I put this in New World Order because that is the underlying cause of the mess we are in, and has been for a hundred years or so.

Thanks for the comment.

reply to post by pplrnuts

I sincerely hope you are correct.

There IS hope!

reply to post by Stewie





I used to think exactly the same as you. I was misguided and naive. It could take 10 or 20 years for this to fall apart. And it could also just stay the way it is.



Look at my posts from a 8-10 months ago. I was saying the exact same thing. My personal truth is very similar to yours but truth is subjective. The fact is we are not about to fall apart in the US.



And I think you might be fishing for flags with posting a subject header like you did.

reply to post by Subjective Truth

Note, I didn't say there will be war tomorrow. It is going to happen, though.

I am not a doomsday dude. It took a lot of reading to come to my conclusions. I sincerely hope people will read some of my links, and counter them with some good information. Like, how we get out without hyperinflation. The only ones saying all is well are the known liars/politicians and criminal/wall streeters.

So, bring it. Maybe you will EARN some stars, my man.

Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by Subjective Truth

 

Note, I didn't say there will be war tomorrow. It is going to happen, though.

I am not a doomsday dude. It took a lot of reading to come to my conclusions. I sincerely hope people will read some of my links, and counter them with some good information. Like, how we get out without hyperinflation. The only ones saying all is well are the known liars/politicians and criminal/wall streeters.

So, bring it. Maybe you will EARN some stars, my man.

I like your style. But you are forgetting one thing Apathy. Also look around many people are still working the times would have to be far worse for anything to happen. This is a process to the TPTB they think in terms of decades not years.


I agree with you in principle. I truly do. Our personal truths seem similar.

reply to post by Subjective Truth




Keep in mind, this article is from almost a year ago, and it has gotten steadily MUCH worse with no sign of letting up.

www.slate.com...


Where will their money come from for food, and shelter? The gov has run out of money, the fed is printing money like crazy to bail out the banks, and there are no jobs on the horizon.
Thanks for the comments.

reply to post by Stewie


I have to admit that I am unsure the establishment would allow internal conflict/civil war especially when it is their neck on the line, and it is easier to aim you all at some external enemy.. not only is that easier, it is much more profitable IMHO.

As for the Military.. in the 1930s the military did rebel, the Royal Navy did over pay and conditions (The Invagordon Mutiny) although these things may happen in the US, it does not mean they'll escalate into confrontation within the military..

My neck fo the woods went into open rebellion in the 1830s, a high proportion where profesional soldiers and one part declared itself the 24th State of the Union and raised the stars and stripes in confrontation with the Crown.. Yet the level of violence on either side was very low...

These militray assets are to valuable to the establishment to miss manage in such a way, they are also a large threat. Again much more profitable to turn them and aim them at some external enemy.

I really do feel that we are heading towards a second dip.. however feel pretty sure that the elite will create an external enemy prior to any next potential market crash, in all honesty, any enemy would do.. tho I have a feeling one has already been picked.. I guess we will have to wait and see what happens next.

reply to post by thoughtsfull

Thank you for your comments.
I believe it is much worse than before, and that we have no precedent for this in the U.S. Presently, the only economy we have (practically, not absolutely) is the military industry and related (funded largely by governments), the public sector (funded by government), and the drastically shrinking private (service industry) sector.
This is a sinking ship with everyone sticking with the ship.
The implosion is slow but sure, and there is nothing but evidence of that everywhere I look.

reply to post by Stewie


In my opinion it is the crashing economy that will be the driving factor with emphasis being placed on the military industrial complex to keep the elite in the wealth and power they have been accustomed to, and only an external enemy would (in my opinion) make that goal acheivable.

If the US crashes to one degree the rest of worlds nations will follow suit in a domino effect.. which will affects all flavours of government, even the most rabid anti-American ones, as they all, to a degree or other rely on trade or aide from each other to keep afloat and their respective populations a few steps away from revolution.

If the US is unable to buy products from China, think how that will affect China's industry, and then how China would deal with feeding tens of millions of unemployed, let alone what they would need to do to keep those tens of millions from rebeling, as China struggles with those issues how will they give aid to North Korea, as most of North Korea is verging on starvation reliant on the aid China gives so as soon as that aid stops flowing how do the North Koreans keep their population from rebelling or fleeing?

Other Questions are raused as to how China buy oil from Iran, or Europe buy Gas from Russia.. both Nations are pretty reliant on selling those commodities to get by, without those sales, they to start to decend into the abyss..

The knock on effect in this situation are grave, as the same rules can be applies to most of the world to one degree or other.. take Palestine, how do the Palestinians get aid if the richer nations are struggling to avoid crashing. How do most African nations keep from decending into the abyss of starvation and famine.

As those nations hit the bottom of the abyss, as famine stalks those nations, where would the people go looking for food? we've taught a great portion of the world to live of aid, rather than fend for themselves, we've depleted a lot of natural food sources, and war seems to drive up food prices, so while we in the West might still be able to buy food, we'll be pricing the food out of the reach of the poorer nations futher exacerbating the situation.

So I dread to think of the outcome for them if the US and West starts to implode. Right now, at this point in time we are all far to interlinked and bound with each other for an implosion in the US not to have dire global results.

So I'm coming from that position, and from that position I'm guessing from the point of view of the worlds elite it is better for them to organise some form of controled and perhaps limited conflict between themselves than it is for them to allow the world to decend to a level that puts their necks on the line.

Rules of warfare and all that rubbish would mean they'll probably be a lot safer in each other grasp than perhaps they would be should we, the people of the world try to change the situation in our favour. Same as the knights of old where safer in each others grasp than they where if the peasants got hold of them.

Off the back of than, Mass depopulation won't work as proved by the plague, then as now, as the poor get fewer the rest get richer, and elite lose all control they have.. The aftermath of the black death is perhaps one of the few times in the history of mankind when the poor had the rich by the short and curlies and could demand whatever they wanted in return for their service..

So no matter how I look at it I keep coming back to the same situation that the establishment will want to be to ones to control the implosion, control the transfer of wealth.. and one of the real options sadly open to them would be a major conflict, and in that process cause us peasants a greater loss of liberty and life.

reply to post by thoughtsfull

All very true, thank you.
Starvation will be one major result of this coming economic catastrophe, no doubt.

reply to post by Mr. D

Interesting is the investigation into the Mortgage crisis where 50 states are investigating what is going on there. Methinks issues for sure........

I think the bankers may have over played their hand a bit. David Rockefeller mouthed off about as one world government ruled by the "intellectual elite and bankers"... So where does the ELECTED politician fit in - no where, at least no where with lots of money and power.

This is especially true on the state level. The bankers have been concentrated on DC and the federal government, meamwhile thanks to the internet the states are getting away from them. Not only do you have the States Attorneys General after them but you have the bright and shining star North Dakota!

State budgets for 2010 face the largest shortfalls on record...

“Unless you’re North Dakota” – a state with a sizeable budget surplus, and the only state that is adding jobs when other states are losing them. A poll reported on February 13 ranked that weather-challenged state first in the country for citizen satisfaction with their standard of living. North Dakota’s affluence has been attributed to oil, but other states with oil are in deep financial trouble. The big drop in oil and natural gas prices propelled Oklahoma into a budget gap that is 18.5% of its general-fund budget. California is also resource-rich, with a $2 trillion economy; yet it has a worse credit rating than Greece. So what is so special about North Dakota? The answer seems to be that it is the only state in the union that owns its own bank. It doesn’t have to rely on a recalcitrant Wall Street for credit. It makes its own.
Candidates Across the Political Spectrum Pick Up on the Public Bank Model

In the quest to find ways to divorce the well-being of their states from the financial sector, a growing number of candidates are picking up on the public bank alternative. Florida, Illinois, Oregon, Massachusetts, Idaho and California all have candidates whose platforms contain this proposed solution to the credit crisis....

www.webofdebt.com...

More and more people are figuring out the fraud called "Fractional reserve banking" The UK parlement even had a Mises -sound money lecture!!!

reply to post by crimvelvet

A theory to consider.
The fiat money is largely going to the corrupt banksters and their minions, by design of course They have been manipulating the gold prices, keeping gold priced low (much lower than it should be/have been). They have expanded the money supply, gotten billions/trillions, and now, what?
They buy gold, and there is talk of getting back to "real" money backed by? Gold.
Accident?

Originally posted by amc621
reply to post by Stewie

 

Stewie,
Thanks for the link, however something like that doesn't help your case. These times are tough, no doubt about it. Still this is not the late 1920s, WWI or WWII or 60's where this country suffered from so much racial hatred.

I appreciate your's, and anyone's, opinions, however lets make sure you tell people this is MY opinion, not a statement of fact.

By the way, I think your opinion is WAY off base.

i think the western world has been manipulated into racial hatred. after the 9/11 spin doctors had been to work lots of people victimized muslims or asian people as possible terrorists ,cab drivers got loads of stick after a few pints when the boys where going home from pubs and if you was on public transport and a asian sat near you would find yourself staring ethier at them or away from them basically alienating them.we are all victims (westerners and asian )of the super rich and there puppet governments who are scared if we got together as one people we would nullify the power they hold over us .if we went back to basic trade or barter system and didnt rely on so much technology also respecting others views and beliefs i think there would be less conflict instead of spending billions of money on war spend the same on researching projects we (as the human race)could benefit from like solving global overcrowding

reply to post by krs678

Amen to that brother!



We can find a better way. We just have to believe in it.

reply to post by Stewie


Having been thinking about my thoughts and position, there is always the likes of a Thomas Paine coming onto the scene and writing about the rights of man again..

Perhaps that is the crux we are at and what we need to get past the stagnation our current society sits and wallows in....

reply to post by thoughtsfull

Love Paine (yes, made sure I spelled it right:lol
It seems to me that adversity builds character. Maybe we just need some adversity. Of course, too much adversity and you risk despair and hopelessness.

Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by thoughtsfull

 

Love Paine (yes, made sure I spelled it right:lol

It seems to me that adversity builds character. Maybe we just need some adversity. Of course, too much adversity and you risk despair and hopelessness.

edit on 15-10-2010 by Stewie because: (no reason given)

yep. he's a good guy..

we need something to break to spell, one that avoids war.. one that breaks the hold of the establishment. Logically my mind says the process we seem to be stuck on will result in a major conflict created by the establishment to maintain their control, but I do hope so wild card will throw a spanner in the works and we, the people will have more say in our future. I can hope

reply to post by desperation


quote from desperation: "i will most likely get a visit from my friends with a sharp escalade and navy blue suits, who also wanted me to stop my research of an electromagnetic generator/call for inventive individuals to invent one with magnetics also known as lodestones, some of the most powerful"

Seriously?? You were threatened by the government?? What happened? Did they come to your home or what? I'm curious. It would seem the gubment is in cahoots with the oil companies and don't want as much change as they proclaim.

yes, ww3