Our answer to the immigration problem has been here all this time

Again, americal liberals fail to see how free market works. Immigration is an ECONOMIC problem. The cost of unqualified work is determined by 1. amount of workplaces, 2. amount of people wanting one workplace. So it obeys the same laws like any other commodity. But in one way, it is special - the low cost of any other commodity does not make large groups of people poor. But if the cost of unqualified work is low due to number 2. rising, unemployment and low wages ensure that all less-educated people get poor, and because they are people and we are civilized, we cant just throw them off like any other economically worthless commodity, we must take care of them, straining social system, leading to poor middle-class, which hurts even the rich. Thats how excess immigration makes the whole country poor, which brings criminality and so on..

American republicans should stick to economic issues, american liberals to personal freedoms (gay rights, abortions, separation of church and state etc.), and you should be okay. But dont let liberals to economy, and dont let republicans to personal freedoms! And again, immigration is an economic issue, so it belongs to the republicans to solve

How is that for an independent analysis from third country?

The whole argument in the line of "we were once immigrants too, and native americans let us in" is a non-sequitur. What happened to native american culture and economy after that? So if you want the same, let the immigrants in. Culture of immigrants always replaces original culture. Also, the immigration of europeans to america was immigration of more advanced civilization into less advanced country, if you want to compare it to current situation, its like almost every immigrant having college or PhD. Today, its the other way around - native americans are more developed compared to immigrants.

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Of course the counter to that argument is that illegal immigration is the perfect Conservative free market business model. See, a corporation being almighty and thus shouldn't have to deal with things like labor laws, minimum wage standards or safety regulations, should be able to use and abuse people like replaceable cogs in a well oiled machine. People who are paid too much and expect things like, livable wages, benefits, and other "perks" are just too expensive for the company to keep. But a workforce made up of a vast cheap expendable workforce is quite preferable as it keeps overhead down and thus the product cheap so that Americans can buy that product and the company makes a good profit off of the work of people who are easily replaced.

So with that logic, Conservatives should love the idea of illegals in the country. It keeps the Free Market going, sure, more Americans are poor, but if they were better educated they wouldn't be completely useless wastes of time that should starve to death like the blight on society they are.

Isn't that the conservative mindset? "Too bad your poor. If you weren't poor you would be a better person and thus not a blight on society and able to get a better paying job."

So I am really surprised that Conservatives are so against immigration, I would figure what's good for corporations would make Conservatives happy.

I don't think people understand that it is better for corporate profits to pay people that work and let the taxpayers pay the ones that don't work to stay home cash there government checks and stand beside the angry tax payers and blame the brown people native to this continent for what is to them a problem..... It isn't a problem for the corporations that are getting work done efficiently by hard working people they don't have to give benefits to because they are paying subcontractors to take care of putting these people to work and believe me the contractors do quite well financially .... I have read a letter in a Dallas newspaper by a woman that worked at Parkland Hospital as a cashier in the E.R... She said that people were mistaken about illegals not having money for medical treatment, they always pay in cash and if they can't pay at once they set up a plan and stuck to it until it was paid off.... She said otherwise about another segment of the clients they have to deal with..... If these people were to up and go back to Mexico to "live like kings" I am afraid that a lot of work just wouldn't get done because I don't know of any people born in the U.S. that are going to work as hard for the wages they do.. That would cause the loss of jobs in other sectors that depend on labor at the going rate for wetbacks and higher prices for everybody... The situation is much more involved than what I've described but I seriously don't want to be labeled as liberal or conservative but it is labels that describe black or white thinking that is allowing this to be a problem so I'm gone.

Originally posted by hypervigilant
and blame the brown people native to this continent for what is to them a problem

The 900 million people born in the Americas are all native to the continent, regardless of such an irrelevance as skin colour.

www.merriam-webster.com...

2. : belonging to a particular place by birth

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I agree, reforming the system is job one, any way we do it. I have been saying that we need to fire, remove, anyone that is a Professional Politician, and place some real people in those Public Service jobs, people who do not owe political favours to Special Interest Groups. Look up the definition for "servant."

–noun
1. a person employed by another, esp. to perform domestic duties.
2. a person in the service of another.
3. a person employed by the government: a public servant.

Nowhere in that definition is the word "boss," or "master." We also, and folks, this is a real need, we need to forever ban all Lobby Groups from the Capital, and from approaching any Public Servant, This is fraudulent to the People, and a criminal act akin to High Treason, when a special interest buys votes on Capital Hill.
The Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same old, worn out coin. Choose Independents, and not professionals. Stop Congressional raises, these people are our servants, and should be paid as such. Stop anything that could be considered "pork" from being on any Bill. Punish anyone who commits a crime on watch, and make it stick, send them to prison. That includes the President.
We will never have America back unless we take it back, either by vote or by force, legally or otherwise. We just need to get rid of the criminals who are running, and ruining our once Fair Nation.

Yup it's those darn KKK who doesn't want ILLEGAL aliens here thats right!!! Maybe you need to get around your white devil propaganda before you speak on issues that deal with people BREAKING THE LAW.... Tell you what since this is a white issue, get any color american and try to cross the border into MEXICO and see what happens, those darn racist mexican laws.....

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When I used the term "native people" of this continent the term was referring to them as being the Pre-Columbian indigenous native people and not to refer to indigenous people of other lands that can as individuals be referred to as native born on this continent, but you surely knew that didn't you.

Originally posted by hypervigilant
When I used the term "native people" of this continent the term was referring to them as being the Pre-Columbian indigenous native people and not to refer to indigenous people of other lands that can as individuals be referred to as native born on this continent. but you surely knew that didn't you.

They're not native to the Americas.

At least, no more so than any other race that inhabits that continent.

Why make a cut-off at pre-Columbian days ?

It's funny, because over here in Britain it is considered extremely offensive to suggest that a British-born black or Asian person is not as British as a ''native'' British-born white person ( all white British people are comparatively recent immigrants to Britain, as well ).

It just seems strange to me that the general attitude in the US is different on this matter, although I understand some of the reasons behind it.

But I guess this is an entirely different discussion.

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WOW! Oh my God. I am Freaking Speechless!! Someone Finally Understands!!! Well Sir or Madam let me
give you a big I just cannot believe someone who is not a Native American Indian understands. I myself am only half Native American, but i am so tired of hearing the non native people complain about what the immagrants are doing and so on. If you look back into history the new immigrants are doing basically what happened to us in the distant past, without as much of the raping and killing and pillaging. Sure now they are bringing drugs and cartels but when people did this to the natives they were bringing smallpox and religion along with the raping and pillaging of the tribes.

Well anyway OP let me give you a nice star and flag! I do not give these often! OP keep spreading this message! I honestly feel that this is the right way to solve the problem and the best way! My fiance is half Mexican and Half Aztec Indian. Another thing is that most of the south western United States was infact Inhabited by Mexican Natives at the time the europeans first came here and started tearing apart the Natives of the eastern USA. Again I would like to thank you op because it really is nice to see someone that feels and thinks about this the correct way other than me and my family!

Originally posted by Kurotachi
WOW! Oh my God. I am Freaking Speechless!! Someone Finally Understands!!! Well Sir or Madam let me
give you a big

I just cannot believe someone who is not a Native American Indian understands.

As previously explained by me: 900 million people are ''native Americans''.

American Indians are descended form Asiatic immigrants from Siberia. White Americans are descended from immigrants from Europe. Black Americans are largely descended from ( non-voluntary ) immigrants from Africa.

There is no such thing as a people that are ''Native Americans''. LOL.

Originally posted by Kurotachi
I myself am only half Native American, but i am so tired of hearing the non native people complain about what the immagrants are doing and so on.

Yeah, and what relevance does that have in 2010 ?

Are you shamefully trying to hang on to the coat-tails of some people that lived a few hundred years ago, and claiming victimhood on the basis of some irrelevant and arbitrary ''ancestry'' ?

Originally posted by Kurotachi
If you look back into history the new immigrants are doing basically what happened to us in the distant past, without as much of the raping and killing and pillaging.

''Us'' ?!

Stop being an obnoxious racist.

Unless you're over 100 years old, then you have not suffered from any kind of raping, killing or pillaging, at the hands of the colonials.

Grow up, man.

Originally posted by Kurotachi
Sure now they are bringing drugs and cartels but when people did this to the natives they were bringing smallpox and religion along with the raping and pillaging of the tribes.

Please stop embarrassing yourself.

You may have not noticed the successful Chilean rescue operation of the trapped miners.

Originally posted by Kurotachi
Another thing is that most of the south western United States was infact Inhabited by Mexican Natives at the time the europeans first came here and started tearing apart the Natives of the eastern USA.

The hilarious thing is that you're using the term ''Mexico/Mexican'', despite the fact that that term was defined by the Spanish ''invaders''.


American Indian tribes butchered, tortured and murdered each other... European tribes migrating to the Americas did exactly the same.

Remind me again, what the difference is between tribes from Europe and tribes from Siberia ?

I guess if you choose to look at it in the manner that you do, we are all of African decent.... I have trouble with how you can dismiss the existence of a culture that occupied a continent for over 30000 years as being irrelevant because another culture did there best to wipe out the ones that were beginning 500 years ago.