Teenage mother of baby found at Fleet station sentenced

Teenage mother of baby found at Fleet station sentenced

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A 16-year-old stabbed her newborn baby to death while in shock after giving birth without realising she had been pregnant, a court has heard.

The baby was found in a rubbish bin at Fleet railway station, wrapped in towels and several bags on 26 May.

Winchester Crown Court heard the baby had suffered 27 stab wounds caused by a penknife.

The girl, now aged 17, who had admitted infanticide, was sentenced to a 12-month community supervision order.

The young mother, who cannot be named because of her age, was also sentenced to a youth rehabilitation order.

She was not required to sit

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I am absolutely SICKENED by this.

First, a girl who apparently has good parents, cant keep her legs closed. Nice parenting. Then she MURDERS the baby when its born.

Then she doesnt even get a custodial sentence! What the HELL has this "justice" system come to when a cold hearted murderer basically gets away with it?

And the worst part of all is that this murderers identity is protected under law, because of her age. She should be named and shamed so people know just exactly what she has done. She will probably go throughout life without telling anyone, and only her parents and the police will know.

The judge in this case is an absolute moron. EVERY murderer has to live with what they have done, and there are often very real, understandable corcumstances that drove them to murder their victim, but how many of them get this sort of leniency?

This country gets lower and lower every day, and I am absolutely ASHAMED of it, and no longer call myself british.

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reply to post by EnactedEgoTrip

Come on the girl was 16. She made a big mistake and i am sure the guilt is unbearable. Why brand her for life. There is a lot of grey area there.

reply to post by EnactedEgoTrip


I have tried twice to read the article and I
keep getting redirected to another site.

I feel that her name should have been made
public.She should have had to sit in court and
hear all the details of her crime.
She basically got off with a slap on the wrist!

reply to post by EnactedEgoTrip


Given that her mental condition must have been disturbed a great deal, I don't think we can demonize her. There are gray areas here as mentioned by another poster.

Originally posted by locster
reply to post by EnactedEgoTrip

 

Come on the girl was 16. She made a big mistake and i am sure the guilt is unbearable. Why brand her for life. There is a lot of grey area there.

edit on 13/10/10 by locster because: (no reason given)

That is no excuse. Remember the uproar over the James Bulger murder? The people who did that were a LOT younger than this girl. They were punished, probably not harshly enough according to many. So why does this girl get away with it?

And as I previously said, many murderers and other criminals have extreme guilt over their actions - yet they still get imprisoned.

This countries justice system is a joke and when it cannot protect the most vulnerable of all - the new born - there is no hope left.

reply to post by locster


In the U.S., a 16 year old can be tried as an adult
for the crime of murder.
I would be more sympathetic if she had gotten pregnant
because of rape.

Originally posted by LarryLove
reply to post by EnactedEgoTrip

 

Given that her mental condition must have been disturbed a great deal, I don't think we can demonize her. There are gray areas here as mentioned by another poster.

More like her mental condition was used as a "get out of jail" card.

reply to post by EnactedEgoTrip


Your citing the Bulger case, but you need to remember that the two perpetrators involved premeditated the torture and murder of that child. In fact, one of the Bulger killers is now serving time for downloading child porn. I don't think the mindset of this girl is anywhere similar to the two that killed Jamie Bulger.

Originally posted by LarryLove
reply to post by EnactedEgoTrip

 

Your citing the Bulger case, but you need to remember that the two perpetrators involved premeditated the torture and murder of that child. In fact, on of the Bulger killers is now serving time for downloading child porn. I don't think the mindset of this girl is anywhere similar to the two that killed Jamie Bulger.

The reason I brought that up is because that was a case of children murdering a child that was dealt with properly, and they got what they deserved.

Instinctively stabbing a baby 27 times really is not good. But she managed to play the system and get away with murder. I just fail to see how you can justify doing such a thing.

reply to post by EnactedEgoTrip


Relax and read my post. I am not justifying anything, just pointing out that you can't use the Bulger case as an example as it is very different from the one in question.

I understand the anger people may feel in regards to what this girl did, but none of us was present to hear the case being tried, so we are all as good as this initial report.

If you want to put shame on someone, post her name, ruin her life even more, then YOU arent better than her. Really...

But yes, she should have reacted on a diffrent way. But more horrorfying things are happening right now as we speak..

Originally posted by ypperst
If you want to put shame on someone, post her name, ruin her life even more, then YOU arent better than her. Really...

But yes, she should have reacted on a diffrent way. But more horrorfying things are happening right now as we speak..

So you are saying that in exposing a criminal is the same thing as stabbing a baby to death 27 times?

At 16 you know right from wrong, so the ohy she didn't know what she was doing thing goes out of the window. Stabbing a baby that amny times wasn't an accident, 1 time wouldn't be an accident. She should go to jail, and no comparing supplying her name to the press isn;t the same as murder................and let's not forget she did this, the baby did nothing.

reply to post by EnactedEgoTrip


She did something really horrible, yes.. But you dont need to be evil to beat evilness.

And I'm sure that she knows she did something wrong. But as it says in the article, she was chocked, and probally didnt know what she was doing.

Originally posted by ypperst
reply to post by EnactedEgoTrip

 

She did something really horrible, yes.. But you dont need to be evil to beat evilness.

And I'm sure that she knows she did something wrong. But as it says in the article, she was chocked, and probally didnt know what she was doing.

So informing the public that there is a murderer in their midst is evil now? She may never repeat it again, and I sincerely hope she learns her lesson and realises that she's damn lucky to have got away with what she did. But what if she doesnt? What is she really has just played the system?

There are plenty of cases of girls not knowing they are pregnant until they actually give birth. I personally know a girl who, as a teenager, gave birth on the toilet, having thought she had just put on weight and was sufferring from tummy trouble.

So there was a sixteen year old girl at a railway station. We don't know what she was doing there, for all we know she had no-one to care for her and no-one to turn to. Suddenly this teenager finds herself going through the pain of childbirth all alone, not knowing what is going on. Then the mounting waves of pain lead to her body tearing and bleeding, (highly likely in a terrified, unsupported birthing,) and a highly unwanted little person emerges.

By then the teenager was probably quite out of her mind from fear, pain, shock and blood loss, and wouldn't even have known what she was doing. It's significant that she was still there, at the railway station, when the police found the baby.

It's hardly surprising she got off with a slap on the wrist. The judge knows a lot more about the situation than we do, and there's no reason to say he didn't sentence correctly. The poor kid may be a lot better off now for having legal supervision. Perhaps she needed to have someone care for her.

In any enlightened society mitigating circumstances are taken into account when a person is on trial. I remember a case a few years back where a man got off a rape charge when it was established in court that he'd been sleepwalking and not known what he was doing.

This 16 year old may have been no more aware of what she was doing than a sleepwalker after what she'd been through.

reply to post by Kailassa


Agreed. We shouldn't conduct trials by keyboard until all the facts are known. And even then, caution should be exercised.

How could any of us know what mental state she was in and what lasting damage has been done as a consequence.

I agree with the concensus that the girl deserves a second chance, BUT ...

if the father of the baby killed it, would people be as forgiving? i highly doubt it!!!

You can only not know your pregnant if your morbidly obese.

Also mental issues much? Ppl will no doubt say it was from incest and other such rumors, which is her get out of jail card.

Very lenient sentance for infanticide either way.