Same UFO Filmed, Same Day, Different Place - 10-10-10

at certain points in the videos, the lights pulsate, flash and pattern in what looks like programmed sequences, i.e. the pilot presses a few buttons on his controller and it does pre-set sequences. Along with the other evidence and a dose of common sense, i've concluded that this sighting was an RC craft. I'm damn sure that if ET craft can get here and hover in the sky, they can look more impressive than that! (at least I hope so, or the human race will laugh at them forever as they shine tiny led torches into our windows!)

Originally posted by 0ne10
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

Learn about sound, and how louder sounds interfere with softer sounds. In the video you have people talking, a helicopter in the background, etc... all of that sound will interfere with the sound of the aircraft and you wouldn't hear it. It was being drowned out.

In this video you posted:
www.youtube.com...

...there are some parts of the video where you can't hear the plane at all. This is because the sound is dissipating over the distance.

Your first video was of a gas powered plane. Those are louder. The "ufo" plane was most probably electric which are very very quiet.

It's common sense really.

edit on 12-10-2010 by 0ne10 because: (no reason given)

I go back to the fact that in another video of the event ( supposedly the same event ) they said they had been observing it for over an hour.. find me a battery operated RC plane that you can get to hover for over an hour while it also supplies power to a line of LED's .. flight time for a battery operated plane is usualy 10-15 minutes from what I understand with a gas powered lasting anywhere from 15-30 minutes ..

Originally posted by ceetee
at certain points in the videos, the lights pulsate, flash and pattern in what looks like programmed sequences, i.e. the pilot presses a few buttons on his controller and it does pre-set sequences. Along with the other evidence and a dose of common sense, i've concluded that this sighting was an RC craft. I'm damn sure that if ET craft can get here and hover in the sky, they can look more impressive than that! (at least I hope so, or the human race will laugh at them forever as they shine tiny led torches into our windows!)

You're assuming that a craft would be trying to look impressive.. do you think ET's, if they exist.. would be coming here to dazzle us or to out do our LED rc planes? .. sort of an inter-stellar "car show" ?

I'm not the only one posting about the flight time of this object .. so I'd like someone to address that before claiming they solved this because it's rather foolish to claim you know what that object was when you clearly don't .. you have a strong theory for what it is based on your opinions and observations but there's still issues with it.. the flight time has been mentioned several times as being over an hour ..

How long does a gas powered RC fly?

Average flight time is 10-12 minutes, max is around 25-30 minutes

How long does an electric RC plane fly? typically less than a gas powered RC plane..

So even if I'm being nice here and adding an addition 10 minutes of flight time for a plane with a bigger tank .. it's still nowhere near the flight time witnesses saw .. the lights are probably not a big deal if it's a gas powered plane because the lights would probably be powered separately ..

Bottom line is that this being an RC plane doesn't explain the extended flight time ..

Source: googling, I found the information in several places .. most people described getting about 10 minutes flight time.. but this site mentioned 10-12 with 25-30 at the high end for gas powered ( then landing on reserves ) .. so I went with the larger numbers and even added a bonus 10 minutes .. www.hooked-on-rc-airplanes.com...


So back to the drawing board, you didn't bust anything yet ... the more plausible idea than the RC craft is what someone mentioned several posts back.. an art piece being hauled by a copter, but I don't know how likely that is .. it surely would have been noticed

reply to post by miniatus


where exactly is the proof that this thing was constantly airborne for over an hour?.

thanks

rich

reply to post by RICH-ENGLAND


The proof is in witness statements which are in several of the videos posted .. I know witness statements aren't hugely reliable but they are about as much proof as assuming that the identity of the object is factually an RC plane and calling it case closed.. besides I find it very hard to believe someone could confuse 10-15 minutes for over an hour .. even if you're excited and freaking out it's difficult to make that kind of mistake... they could have been flat out lying however.. I don't know about that ..

Originally posted by miniatus
I go back to the fact that in another video of the event ( supposedly the same event ) they said they had been observing it for over an hour.. find me a battery operated RC plane that you can get to hover for over an hour while it also supplies power to a line of LED's .. from my experience, the flight time is usually 15-20 minutes .. 25-30 max if you're being very conservative with speed .. and that doesn't include powering up a set of lights in addition to the electric motor..

1: You are basing your judgement on unverified information. You must verify that the object was flying for over and hour continuously, without landing and taking off again.

I could easily create an account, pretend I was a witness, and claim I saw the object for only 30 minutes. Unless I verify, and prove I saw the craft for 30 minutes, you probably wouldn't believe me. Just like I don't fully believe the aircraft was flying over an hour continuously.

2: There is clear video showing the lights were not continuously "on". They were turned off several times, which saves power.

3: A 5 foot flex strip of LED's could easily run for 3+ hours with only 3 AA batteries. And the batteries that run the lights do not have to be the same batteries the run the aircraft.

4: Like I said before, people have been investing in larger batteries, and more efficient electronics. For example, because of the advances in radio transmission technology, RC transmitters such as Spread Spectrum 2.4GHZ radios require significantly less power than normal RC transmitters that use another frequency. This increases flight time.

The flight time all depends on the aircraft's wingspan, the aircrafts weight, the pilot, the weather conditions, the current draw from the electronics, etc..

It is completely possible to get an electric aircraft to fly 2 to 3 hours.

An RC aircraft, if flying towards the wind, could stay in the air like a kite for hours without using any power. It all depends on the pilot, and how they conserve power by gliding in the wind. You don't need the electric motor to be running constantly. In fact, most experience pilots who wish to extend their flight time learn how to feather the throttle so they save energy, and use the wind to keep them in the sky. Higher altitudes make for longer flight times because there is usually always small wind currents that can keep these super light aircraft in the sky.

reply to post by miniatus


So eyewitness reports from the police are out of the question?

Is this because you believe there is a cover up?

I'm sorry, this case has already been solved and debunked... now it's just a matter of explaining it to the people who don't want to believe it was debunked.

reply to post by miniatus


well some of the same witnesses also made an absolutely ridiculous video claiming allsorts of things which turned out to be nothing more than a police escort of some trucks!.

and the police have already give a statement that it was an rc plane controlled by a truck driver!.

yet we should dismiss the police now because they're not supporting the ufo story?

im pretty sure if the police said they saw a ufo instead of an rc plane then all the "believers" would be saying what credible witnesses they are because they're police officers!.

but no, lets believe anyone that supports the ufo story instead shall we?.

edit to add: just a little info on CUSTOM rc planes www.rcgroups.com...

thanks

rich

reply to post by miniatus


well no. I'd just hoped that they'd be more impressive than that

As much as I want this to be the real deal, I don't believe it is. Again, it exhibits the classic "roll" of a winged aircraft. I don't know how long one can stay in the air (RC) but being a pilot I do know that it takes greater pressure under a wing than on top too produce lift and that fluctuations throught the flight process cause "roll" or the compensation cause it. Both of the higher quality videos that have some sort of image stabilization, are steady enough ,when the object gets large, to see slight rotation variations along its front to back axis.

Originally posted by RICH-ENGLAND
reply to post by miniatus

 

well some of the same witnesses also made an absolutely ridiculous video claiming allsorts of things which turned out to be nothing more than a police escort of some trucks!.

and the police have already give a statement that it was an rc plane controlled by a truck driver!.

yet we should dismiss the police now because they're not supporting the ufo story?

im pretty sure if the police said they saw a ufo instead of an rc plane then all the "believers" would be saying what credible witnesses they are because they're police officers!.

but no, lets believe anyone that supports the ufo story instead shall we?.

edit to add: just a little info on CUSTOM rc planes www.rcgroups.com...

thanks

rich

edit on 13-10-2010 by RICH-ENGLAND because: (no reason given)

Yes, the police said it was a truck driver flying an RC plane from the hotel parking lot, and that he wasn't arrested, but they did at least detain him for a little bit as they questioned him about it (I gather this from the "arrest" video).

In that video, you can see the truck driver in question, he is standing by the police car, and cops are talking to him. You can also see his RC plane on the ground. You can see as well the UFO hovering in the background.

You think that this man, who might actually have handcuffs on in the video (can't tell), was piloting the *hovering* light? He didn't have a radio controller in his hand, nor was his plane in the air (it was on the ground). So we know that the police are not being completely honest here. We also know that the flight behavior of the object is NOT that of an RC plane, though it certainly matches that of an RC helicopter or VTOL/quadrarotor. It hovers far too stably to be an RC plane. It could be an RC controlled chopper or maybe a PLC controlled chopper (little computer chips into which you can program simple instructions to automate things).

What is the arrest video of, if its not of the arrest/detaining of the man who was flying the light? What is the light in the air, if the RC plane can be seen on the ground and the supposed pilot can be seen without any radio controller? We can completely ignore the video from the day after where that dude just drives in his car chasing the cops, that could be anything. But the arrest video and the videos of just the lights eliminate the possibility that it was an RC plane, especially that RC plane which is on the ground, and that the object everybody was seeing was not piloted by the man in the video who is just chillin without any controller.

reply to post by tetsuo


eh? you must be seeing something that absolutely nobody else has because there is no light in the arrest video or the supposed chase video....

the light video and arrest video are two totally separate things!.

thanks

rich

reply to post by 0ne10


Thank you, those were my original ideas when I first saw this video. I am an avid bird hunter in the Pacific Northwest and I have been fooled many times by an approaching bird, that it was closer than it really was and so I fired at the bird and totally blew the show because of it. Yes an R/C plane can look bigger than a 787 if it were at a closer range the the plane is. Also just because there is "no" noise does not mean there is not a noise from the craft. I mean who can you expect to hear a pin drop with a helicopter flying around. I am sure that in the city when something strange is in the air or what have you a ton of people would see it.

Once again thank you.

reply to post by tetsuo


So what you are saying is that in 100% of the cases the PD is going to throw you in restraints even if they are just going to ask you a couple of questions? I don't think so I have plenty of friends that are in law enforcement and when they do a Q&A they don't cuff them to do it. They approach then assess and go from there. I am sure they came up on the guy calmly and had him land the craft and proceeded in there questioning. They would not have made an arrest at all and there was no need for the cuffs if he did not know that he was disturbing the peace, which would be the only charge they could file on him.

Also I have to congratulate you on your superb visual acuity. I like most other people who have seen the arrest footage can say I did not see any lights in the sky. I guess if you can prove this than I challenge you to point them out and we can go from there. But once again way to go on keeping this "dream" alive.

reply to post by Maybe...maybe not


Well, it was really bright.. i've seen these satellites before, they come like a small pulsating dot that moves slightly eacht time it pulses, and it takes like a few minutes or more to cross the skyline, while this thing did it in mere seconds (it also looked like it was standing still along the stars, and then went off), also i've seen reflections of jets at night time - they're barely noticeable, but a nice view..

Oh and what i saw, well it was bright like a North star, maybe it was some satellite, but i don't know of one this fast and bright,could be anything i guess.

just an example of an rc plane and its noise.

the following video is of an rc plane, take note of it very carefully, this video is out in a field with nothing around as noise pollution but still its extremely quiet when its a bit away from the camera. yfrog.com...

now think about the video of the blue light and take notice of how far away the thing is, also take note that the rap guy and people filming it are in a residential area with what sounds like a car running close by and other noise pollution as well as them talking.

hopefully people will realise that it wouldn't take a lot to be unable to hear an rc plane under the right circumstances.

thanks

rich

I fly rc helis, but never got into planes. All the helicopters I fly have about a 10 minute flight time per charge. Does anyone know what the typical flight time of these planes are if, in fact they're eclectric?

reply to post by Divine Strake


typical flight time of an off the shelf thing can be between 10 and 30 minutes depending on a lot of factors, BUT it would seem that a lot of people make custom ones that can fly up to about 5 hours, if you look at my earlier post there's a link to a website saying about the times and i found many many more with the right questions in google.

and just my opinion but because the plane in question had l.e.d s on it im inclined to think it was customised.

but even if it wasn't there's absolutely no evidence that it stayed constantly airborne for over an hour or more.

thanks

rich

still not so sure about the RC plane statement. if you think about how fast an airplane flies, it only moves so slowly when we look at it from below. if an RC can move faster than an airplane at that distance, then that would be pretty crazy. but i don't think an RC plane can outrun the speed and maneuvering of an airplane. well i'm no expert in this area, but i'm just stating my logic. sorry if this has been said arleady in this thread - just saying!