The real secrets behind Western religion

reply to post by Rustami


Perhaps one day I will have a similar experience ...

Still ... hearing voices isn't something I would expect to sway a non-believer. Nor is seeing non-evidenced angelic creatures. You alone know how you feel about your personal experiences, but they are unfortunately not transferable.

reply to post by Pinke


ok imagine you do, now imagine Gods Son what He said and being murdered and why? wonder what Jesus meant by "these are the scriptures that testify about me"-the firstborn among many brothers?

I am going to do something in your days that you would never believe, even if someone told you.' "-Acts13.41

reply to post by digby888

and what do you care you are an athiest so you will never know the truth because of your closedmindedness

You have it the wrong way around mate.

To be an atheist, you invariably, initially at least, possess an open mind in order to analyse the religious concepts and and history being considered.

That way, an opinion and or a belief in the inaccuracy or partial falsehood of the information being scrutinized is formed.

Being an atheist, takes a lot more thought and consideration that it takes to be 'religious follower' ('follower' is a bit of a clue here). Much more of an open mind too.

Being religious on the other hand, doesn't take any objective consideration, it merely requires the thought necessary for one to follow the established doctrine and close one's mind to any other possibilities.

You definitely have it the wrong way around.

here are some notes from a friend of mine's college course about origins of modern religions:
(please note this IS NOT anti-Jewish) in fact, it may be pro-Jewish.

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Babylonian / Roman / Hebrew “money funnel” Economies – seek to control populations (wide-area banking systems).

Phoenicians were “pre-Hebrew”, Semitic society groups that dominated and “governed” trade and finance (3000 b.c. – 1000 b.c.)(multi-nation influence).

Hebrew / Jewish “faiths” and “laws” created by “elitist” financial and trade groups (banking) from various Semite “ruling class” post-Phoenician nations (no “national” borders).

Scholars from these groups “create” the Hebrew language (from Phoenician-Canaanite) and create a pre-Latin language (from Greek).

- Latin to be used primarily by the trade and financial sub-groups (from different ethnic populations), and military forces.
- Latin to be used to consolidate many Italic languages (mostly “spoken” languages, not “written” at major trade junctions, city of Rome, etc.).
- Hebrew to be used by “elite” educated scholar groups (consolidated Semites).

“Old Testament” created and written by Hebrew “scholars and scribes”

- Attempt to control all other beliefs and consolidate into one belief - for trade and financial control (universal banking).
- Consolidates different Semite languages.
- Anti-Paganism
- Used (and enhanced) many exaggerated “Pagan” stories and myths and folk lore to fit agenda and spread “Jewish” influence (mostly financial).
- Jewish “expulsions” and “exiles” created (with ruling governments) to allow Jewish “colonizing” in “open” territories (infiltration of economies).
- Creates “historical” “records” based on fears and legends.
- Hebrew “envoys” and “scouts” (well-educated and multi-lingual) contact “target” territories – attempt “Judea” conversions (economic goals) prior to military invasions (some success).

“New Testament” created and written by Hebrew “scholars and scribes” - 1st century by secret Roman agreements.

- Hebrew Anti-Pagan efforts were failures.
- Hebrew beliefs were not widely accepted by general (conquered) populations.
- Hebrews create “anti-Jewish” (anti-Semitic) rivalries to set stage for a “new”, more popular “religions”.
- Hebrews create un-provable “history” from mythical events and stories and fictional characters, and create new Date system (B.C., A.D.) (not “officially” recognized by genuine Hebrew beliefs).
- Roman govt and Hebrew Scholars “align” and “invent” the appearance of being “rivals” (includes military expeditions).
- Roman govt accepts and begins codification of “Jewish” financial influences (banking systems).
- Hebrew scholars consolidate and re-invent a Latin alphabet, for common use by populations (west).

- “New Testament” written in more than one “language” to “accommodate” conquered populations.

Paganism was the predominant belief at the time.

Latin became predominant language (easily understood by conquered populations) in Roman Empire (west).

Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic were widely spoken (east and west).

Roman efforts to control society with a “new” belief (Christianity") – 2nd thru 5th century.

- False flag “Laws” enacted to promote “Christianity” and demote “Judaism”.
- “Historical” Myths of “Hebrew” slavery and mass discrimination created to enhance the “anti-Semitism” agendas.
- “news” and “events” are created of Jewish massacres, expulsions, etc. (some truth)(sacrificial “investments”).
- Allows for more “Jewish Expansion” into new territories (established new trade routes and merchant groups).
- Christianity rejected by Arab factions - Roman East.
- Christianity generally accepted by - Roman West.
- Hebrew scholars “create” and write Islam beliefs to counter Christian beliefs.
- Arab factions accept Islam and eventually adapt to “Jewish” financial systems.

Sub-Latin languages and “spin-off” Hebrew languages created and enhanced to allow better (religious) “manipulation” of localized populations,
- 6th century thru Middle Ages to present day 21st century.

- Establishes strong “ethnic” groups (new nationalities and languages) through local inbreeding after intermingling.
- Continuation of “culture – counter-cultures” agendas (religious) among “financially conquered” territories.
- Continuation of “Hebrew suppression” myths and Jewish “suffering” to further the financial and power agendas.
- Continuation of “governments” public anti-Semitism agendas and furthering of “Jewish” privately controlled economies and expansions.
- Continuation of attempted “Judea” conversions (economic goals) prior to military invasions (some disguised as “Islam” or “Christian”) (some success).
- “Dark Ages” created to mask solidification efforts of major “religions” (the ‘Big Three’), and to solidify “historical” record keeping.
- Continuation of language manipulation for economic control agendas.
- Establishment of “learning” institutions for further development of economic agendas (economic dominance through “education”).

reply to post by Ruffian


Yahweh/Jehovah has absolutely nothing in common with Dagon.
Instead, he's the Israelites' version of the Egyptian god Set, whom the Hyksos worshipped monotheistically.

reply to post by xuenchen


["“New Testament” written in more than one “language” to “accommodate” conquered populations.']

For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty.-2Peter1.6

Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’-Matthew21

one died for all, and therefore all died.-2Corinthians5.14

And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.-Daniel12.2

If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.-1Corinthians12.26

"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'-Matthew25.40

The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them.-Isaiah11.6

But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business. And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them. But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.’ So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.-Matthew22

reply to post by Rustami


sounds like more "quotations" from

The Fox in the Hen House!

reply to post by xuenchen


LOL! Jesus is definately not a Fox nor was the angel both of which were before reading anything, there is no doubt about the individual~worldwide struggle between flesh and spirit

I could just repaste my testimony over and over but think these speak to what your implying

At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit.-Galatians4.29

The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.-1Corinthians15.42

See, the stone I have set in front of Joshua! There are seven eyes on that one stone-Zecheriah3.9

Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.-Revelation5.6

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!-2Corinthians5.17

I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he."-Luke7.28