The real secrets behind Western religion

The book That Old Time Religion by Jordan Maxwell has been a real eye opener. Christianity is basically a cult of sun worshop, nothing else. Every single detail (yes every single detail) of Jesus' life in all 4 gospels are taken from paganism and astrology (babylonian, egyptian, etc. etc.). Also St. Paul, who wrote the letters/epistles of the New Testament, was a mystic (gnostic?) who worked for King Herod. One of Paul's main missions was to write these [Christian] Letters to make the Christians obedient to Rome and Roman state of Herod (pay taxes to Ceasar, obey the God appointed authority, also paving the way for the corrupt tyrannical control of the Roman Catholic Church. The stories of the Old Testament, especially the Torah, are all borrowed as well. It is said that the stories of David and The Kings are indirect retellings of the stories of the pharoah's of Egypt, and the Books of the Prophets (such as Jeremiah, Isaih, Ezra, Micah) are merely just stories of the Hebrew priests' struggle with the Hebrews who kept falling back to paganism. Inherently the Hebrews were Hedonits, Yahweh/Jehova actually being the pagan fish god "Dagon".

Thus Christianity has all been about delusion and control, the mainstream doctrine being very corrupted by the Church of Rome, and it still persists with the Protestant doctrine. I would also like to say that paganism was much more peaceful and sort of harmonious, but then here came the Roman Church and the Inquisitions, this church having the most sinister and corrupt history than any other organization on the face of the earth. Nonetheless, tyranny truly began in its most corrupt stage in Babylonia (Hammurabi), and then gravitated towards Rome. This makes me think that the conspiracy might just be real.

There is just so much more to say, but maybe all of you should read it for yourselves.

Hi Ruffian,

it's not that I disagree with many of your conclusions, quite the contrary, but I think the argumentation leading you there will be insufficient, if exposed to a closer scrutiny.

And believe me, if you appear to be a threat, you'll be analysed down to the last semicolon. Most of the pro/anti christian debates soon develop into dirtdigging and piethrowing.

TPTB, be they religious or political, have never shied from such as kz-camps, inquisition, gulags etc., so they are not overburdened with ethical considerations. But you'll see this for yourself, if there will be response to this thread.

you are putting all christian into the same place as the catholic church who i agree with you do worship the sun

and other pagan gods with out most of the catolics knowing it . i myself worship yeshua bieing the son (not the sun)
of god and as for paul i still have a lot of problems with his teachings

www.conspiracyarchive.com...

Jordan Maxwell is promoting the endtime religion. Please research before you buy right into what anyone says.

reply to post by digby888


How can you be so sure? You try to make Jesus more authentic by calling Yeshua. Yet he has much similarities between other religious figures and God heads.
Pagan Orgins
I agree with the Original Poster. Once the light shines on the people then they'll be awaken.

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and what do you care you are an athiest so you will never know the truth because of your closedmindedness

you could even read the bible every day but it would not mean anything to you unless you have asked yeshua

into your heart and the reason i use the lords real name is because there were no js in hebrew which would leave

esus which i think is some pagan or roman god its just more people trying to corrupt the lords name which has been going on for thousands of years

reply to post by digby888


Trust me! I used to be exactly like you. As a Christian I had faith in Jesus. You can try to make it more Jewish if you want but that doesn't make it true. Heck I don't even Jesus fulfilled the duties to be the Messiah. he was killed before he had the chance to rebuild the temple.
Mashaiac

• The idea of mashiach (messiah) is an ancient one in Judaism • The Jewish idea of mashiach is a great human leader like King David, not a savior • There is much speculation about when the mashiach will come • The Bible identifies several tasks that the mashiach will accomplish • Jews do not believe in Jesus because he did not accomplish these tasks

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i hate to tell you but yeshua was the temple and he did rise after 3 days

prophicy compleated me thinks

reply to post by digby888


Well if a person can be a temple then anyone can be the Messiah.
I refuse to give Jesus or you call him Yeshua a chance because of thevast difference of Christianity and Judaism. This is why Islam was created. Because they wanted to make it more Jewish then what the Christians were doing.
Analyis on Christianity

reply to post by Romantic_Rebel

yeshua is a lot more than a person

and as for the jewish perspective

maybe you should read this thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by digby888


Well I have seen that video before and it offers nothing but Christians wanting Jesus. This has been done before and it will prove nothing. Jesus never fulfilled the duties to be the Messiah.
The Talmud is very serious on what the Messiah is supposed to be and to accomplish in his life.
www.messiahtruth.com...

1) If the virgin birth is true (which is highly unlikely since it goes against the grain of supporting Jesus’ messianic claim) then Jesus cannot be the Messiah. 2) If you trace Jesus' line through Joseph (by which you claim Jesus inherits the throne by adoption) in Matthew's genealogy, then you run into the curse of Jeconiah, and Jesus cannot be the Messiah. 3) If you trace Jesus’ line through Luke's genealogy (regardless of whether you attribute it to Joseph or Mary) Jesus cannot be the Messiah because it doesn't include King Solomon; it includes his brother, Nathan, eliminating any legitimate claim to the throne.

Originally posted by digby888
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i hate to tell you but yeshua was the temple and he did rise after 3 days

prophicy compleated me thinks

you are not serious are you? talk about taking liberties with the text sheesh....

At the end of the day, jesus did not fufill the messianic prophesies, hence why the jews did not follow him

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That's the users faith. That is how they were introduced and are taught to believe. I just enjoy to debate about it. It's not like I hate the person. They are cool.

reply to post by Romantic_Rebel

well i have enjoyed talking to you Romantic_Rebel but i think we will just have to agree to disagree because

we are bot just banging our heads against a brickwall i dont think i could change you to my beliefs and i dont think

you could change me to yours

so untill next time bye

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Thanks! I agree here.
Talk to you later.

These conflicts in religion are really about exoteric religion versus the balanced and genuine exoteric/esoteric spirituality, which includes what we know as paganism. In that sense even exoteric paganism—taking the external form of an entity for god— is as incomplete and misquided as all the exoteric forms of religion such as Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

These dense forms of spirituality always will, and have led to conflict and disunity. The proposition by the exoteric forms of the big 3 major western religions mentioned above that there creed is the “truth” is wrong because none of these creeds understand or practice the esoteric aspect of their spirituality. If and when they finally do this on a massive scale then eventually conflict in religion will die down over time.

But the controllers of these religions: the Priests and clergy in Christianity; the Rabbis in Judaism; and the Sheiks and Imams in Islam, will never let that happen because that would lessen their power.

Originally posted by Bilw85
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Jordan Maxwell is promoting the endtime religion. Please research before you buy right into what anyone says.

Maxwell isn't usually a credible source for me, however much of what was posted by the OP is something that we Gnostic Christians have "known" for a long time.

S&F for you OP for risking the insults that a thread often brings.

Rev

Might check out the book OP.

There are lots of interesting books and documentaries about skeptics and religion now. It's a welcome change from twenty years ago, and makes me quite pleased to see the debate. We should be allowed to question everything and disagree on things.

I'd be curious to see the full cult of apollo evidence laid out bare as a lot of the time people just reference it. I might go look it up.

Re Inforeal:

Never a truer word said. A considerable part of all religious mavericks have been advocating the direct experience, and consequently they have been neutralized one way or another, and their teachings hijacked or corrupted by the zombies passively accepting doctrines.

Which is kind of funny, because while the doctrines usually make no sense at all, the direct experience is rather simple.

It's probably more a question of individual psychology and power-obsession than of real interest in finding truth. The situation is the same in politics.

Originally posted by digby888
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and what do you care you are an athiest so you will never know the truth because of your closedmindedness

you could even read the bible every day but it would not mean anything to you unless you have asked yeshua

into your heart and the reason i use the lords real name is because there were no js in hebrew which would leave

esus which i think is some pagan or roman god its just more people trying to corrupt the lords name which has been going on for thousands of years

edit on 10-10-2010 by digby888 because: (no reason given)

abut trhe closemindedness. there is something in religion. there has to be. its not so much people being blindly led to fallow religious orders through brainwashing,though i will be the first to admit that does happen. islam being a perfect example. (note: if any terrorist read the quran they would realize they were wrong. that or they were reading a corupted version)

can someone explain sientifically near death experiences being so similar? can someone explain alot of the other paranormal things involved with religion.

then again can someone explain aleins and dinosaurs. god didn't put them there to test our faith. perhaps god created more than just man.

every religion corupts itself with time. many men change things in their religious books to obtain power. power that gets used for the wrong reasons.

christians have done it, jews have done it, and muslims have done it. but its not limited just to those 3 religions. every religion has or will do this.