Attack on U.S. Sovereignty -- 11 Latin American Countries to Weigh In on Arizona's Illegal Immigran

SeaWind, what about sending this to some of the aggregators (not HuffPo...or I dunno, maybe even them). I don't do them anymore, so blank mind. (Sorry!) I get the Arizona (?) Republic in my email. I wonder if this will show up on there. I'm not sure Real Clear Politics would touch it, but it is worth a try. OR how about posting it in comments on the media sites or even in Yahoo comments concerning politically related stories/ the election/ etc?
I've thought of a couple of other connections I have- in Houston (Spring) & the Waco Tea Party, the libertarian group here. It's amazing how fast word can travel by email contacts.

reply to post by boondock-saint


No I mean't legally, the Arizona law requires immigrants who have come to this country legally to have their immigration documents on them at all times or face jail, which is a direct violation of that citizens 4th Amendment rights to be secure in their personal papers and effects and not to be subject to illegal searches and seizures. But I guess to you that's ok that they don't get the 4th Amendment right to be protected from illegal searches and seizures because they are from another country and came here legally, let me repeat so I am clear LEGALLY.

So, boondock-saint, why do you hate the bill of rights so much that you would gladly strip away our freedoms to a tyrannical government?

reply to post by whatukno


This is a straw man. Living in Texas, with a large Latino population (many generations in & illegal alike), enforcing immigration laws is very popular here. While no one has said to me, personally, "whatever, no problem", other than our mayor & his mother (who was a bigwig in either La Raza or LULAC- I forget which), it hasn't come up. Cops are NOT "stupid". Well dressed or poor, it isn't difficult to distinguish by sight who is most likely a national & who isn't.
(especially in places that have had a lot of growth & construction, only the very oblivious or self absorbed cannot)

Originally posted by whatukno
How hypocritical...

We tell other countries what to do all the time (many times by force) but when that exact same thing is done to us we complain?

What is also interesting to me is how many people would gladly throw away their 4th Amendment rights just so that they can get rid of people that speak Spanish.

Should we tell immigrants who come to this country legally that the bill of rights doesn't actually apply to them? That's what Arizona is saying. That is what the people of Arizona want, they want to throw away everyones constitutionally protected right to be secure in their personal papers and effects from unwarranted searches and seizures or face jail.

And you all are gladly willing to throw away that protection from a tyrannical government?

Whatukno, where do you get your info? Your post is a perfect example of how some twist things for their own purposes -- in complete disregard for the truth.

The Arizona law has nothing to do with deporting people just because they happen to speak Spanish.

The Arizona law prohibits the police from asking for immigration status UNLESS the person has been stopped for some other reason. In other words, the person stopped has been connected to a crime or is driving a car with a broken tail light, etc.

The Federal law is MORE intrusive than the Arizona law. The Feds do NOT need probable cause to ask for immigration status. The Feds have the power to stop anyone at any time to ask for immigration status.

Legal immigrants have NOTHING to fear from the Arizona law (or the Federal law for that matter).

The police have every right to ask for ID (driver's license) when you're stopped. It's a routine part of their job.

The only people who need to be afraid of either the Arizona or Federal laws are the ILLEGAL immigrants.
And that is as it should be.

Originally posted by whatukno
the Arizona law requires immigrants who have come to this country legally to have their immigration documents on them at all times or face jail, which is a direct violation of that citizens 4th Amendment rights to be secure in their personal papers and effects and not to be subject to illegal searches and seizures. But I guess to you that's ok that they don't get the 4th Amendment right to be protected from illegal searches and seizures because they are from another country and came here legally, let me repeat so I am clear LEGALLY.

So, boondock-saint, why do you hate the bill of rights so much that you would gladly strip away our freedoms to a tyrannical government?

dude, ur beating a dead horse here.
if it was me, the AZ law would be implemented
in ALL states. I don't hate the BOR.
And if it's such a bad law, then why do the Fed's
have an almost exact copy of it on the
books they enforce.

And since you like illegals so much,
we'll send them all to your house.
Would you allow total strangers
you didn't know their name to crash
on your couch, eat your food, etc ????

The papers are necessary cuz most illegals
do not have a drivers license so they have no
ID. The next best way to solve the identity
crisis is a birth certificate. You have to show
Birth Certificates anyway in order to get a drivers
license. This is not a violation of the Bill of
Rights, it is a violation from the person who is here
illegally telling me a lie of who he really is.

Originally posted by DogsDogsDogs
SeaWind, what about sending this to some of the aggregators (not HuffPo...or I dunno, maybe even them). I don't do them anymore, so blank mind. (Sorry!) I get the Arizona (?) Republic in my email. I wonder if this will show up on there. I'm not sure Real Clear Politics would touch it, but it is worth a try. OR how about posting it in comments on the media sites or even in Yahoo comments concerning politically related stories/ the election/ etc?
I've thought of a couple of other connections I have- in Houston (Spring) & the Waco Tea Party, the libertarian group here. It's amazing how fast word can travel by email contacts.

Dogs, Tea Partiers & Libertarians sound good. This should be right up their alley. If by HuffPo you mean the Huffington Post, maybe not such a good outlet -- very Left from what I've heard. You seem to know more about getting the word out than I do. Thank you passing this on!

reply to post by SeaWind


It is overrun with OFAs. I avoid it now, like the plague. I'm on hiatus from rescue, but that's how I learned. Believe it or not, if you hit it just right, miracles can literally happen in a couple of hours through email & people you've never even heard of, clear across the country. Barring that, perseverance. God, I love the internet!
Cross your fingers...

Here is the link to the story on Arizona Central (not Republic)

www.azcentral.com...

reply to post by boondock-saint

And if it's such a bad law, then why do the Fed's
have an almost exact copy of it on the
books they enforce.

There, you said it right there, ALMOST.

That's the problem, but if you don't have a problem with tyrannical government stepping on your constitutionally protected rights then by all means goose step with the rest of the fascists.

Originally posted by whatukno
There, you said it right there, ALMOST.

That's the problem, but if you don't have a problem with tyrannical government stepping on your constitutionally protected rights then by all means goose step with the rest of the fascists.

wow
ignorance and bigotry always comes
forth from the mouths of those who resort
to name calling.

I also noticed you didn't address my points
other than to cherry pick, typical, pfffft.
If you're gonna resort to these tactics,
our debate is over.
best wishes

reply to post by boondock-saint


I suppose you would then be a proponent of RFID Chips for everyone then? I mean then there would be no worry right? Either you have a chip, or you're an illegal. That sounds great right? Let's just chip the whole population from birth, and anyone that comes to this country legally and if they don't have a chip they get sent across the boarder.

reply to post by SeaWind


Err no.

But I see what people resort to when they have a poor argument.

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

And if it's such a bad law, then why do the Fed's
have an almost exact copy of it on the
books they enforce.

There, you said it right there, ALMOST.

That's the problem, but if you don't have a problem with tyrannical government stepping on your constitutionally protected rights then by all means goose step with the rest of the fascists.

The Arizona law was modelled on the Federal law, except the Arizona law is MORE LENIENT.

The Feds do NOT need ANY excuse or probable cause to ask anyone for ID.

A legal visitor or immigrant would have ID on them as a matter of course. A tourist would have a passport. A Legal immigrant would have a green card or some other document showing legal entrance into the country.

Citizens carry driver's licenses or social security cards routinely.

The only people who are upset by the Arizona law are the Illegals and their supporters -- who have a use for them -- i.e. Dems who want them to vote, but don't want them to join unions or work.

The Leftists love twisting things to rabble rouse -- revolution in the streets & chaos. Speaking of tyranny, the socialists (of both fascist or commie variety) have created some of the most tyrannical totalitarian dictatorships the world has ever seen.

Originally posted by DogsDogsDogs
reply to post by SeaWind

 

It is overrun with OFAs. I avoid it now, like the plague. I'm on hiatus from rescue, but that's how I learned. Believe it or not, if you hit it just right, miracles can literally happen in a couple of hours through email & people you've never even heard of, clear across the country. Barring that, perseverance. God, I love the internet!
Cross your fingers...

Here is the link to the story on Arizona Central (not Republic)

www.azcentral.com...

edit on 6-10-2010 by DogsDogsDogs because: to add relevant link

Dogs, I just read the story as presented in Arizona Central and this error caught my eye: "Supporters of the law say it's intended to confront the state's vast illegal immigration woes that Washington is confronting adequately."

It should say "inadequately" -- immigration woes Washington is confronting inadequately.

Also that article in the AC was published BEFORE the 9th Circuit gave permission to the other countries.

Now the 9th Circuit has given permission.

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

I suppose you would then be a proponent of RFID Chips for everyone then? I mean then there would be no worry right? Either you have a chip, or you're an illegal. That sounds great right? Let's just chip the whole population from birth, and anyone that comes to this country legally and if they don't have a chip they get sent across the boarder.

edit on 10/6/2010 by whatukno because:

RFID chips? Whatukno, you go from one extreme to another. No one here has mentioned RFID chips except you. To twist the necessity of carrying valid ID into having everyone implanted with an RFID chip at birth! Breathtaking leaps!

The only people who object to the requirement to carry valid ID are CRIMINALS.

reply to post by SeaWind


I missed it on the personal emails (actually I sent from the AZCentral site "email" button), but caught it in my post on resistnet & yahoo- corrected it in brackets. These gals are crossposting dynamos, very sharp & they'll catch it, I'm pretty sure. (the AZ law has been discussed between us a LOT) Also corrected for Waco. They are rescue/ adopters & many of our rescue connections (80-90%) are conservative/ libertarian, so that's a gimme. We just can't play politics on the groups because it's too disruptive.

Here is the story I posted to on yahoo ;-) in case anyone wants to go help out.

news.yahoo.com...

Gotta feed the furbugs or I'm going to have a "local" controversy. Thanks very much for bringing this to everyone's attention, SeaWind! This is what it takes.
(I've still got reason, the country libertarians, & FB to do but I'll get them out tonight & back to yahoo when I check my mail later)

The lack of Border Security seems to be a joke. Their should be NO DEBATE on this matter!

The United States of America is the HOME Country of Americans.

You have immigration laws, so take out a class action for the Government to ENFORCE those laws!

Can't citizens take out a class action against the Government/POTUS/States for failing to protect them?

Is anything done in the US regarding 'tourists' over-staying in the country once their visa expires?

Thanks for this thread Sea Wind! Debating this issue with people who see no problems with illegal immigration drains me sometimes. It is a huge problem on so many levels.

All Countries have borders and laws. To some, the USA shouldn't have them.

Arizona has been through hell and back over their illegal immigrant problems and the Feds did nothing to help. Our citizens are not being protected as they should be. Sadly, our government doesn't care or they would have done something about it a long time ago.

i am so sick of the cfr. i am sick of globalists.

i am still amazed these politicians do not even 'try' to make it look like they care about the people anymore. they just go about their crimes with their heads held high laughing at us.

10 years ago i was in LA i walked into a store and the register girl could not speak english. just imagine that. i was dumbfounded.

now, i am back in the nyc, and last week i went to a target and the chick barely spoke english. i was in target a few months ago and i asked for help and the girl said, 'hold on' then she went to another guy, spoke in spanish, then the other guy came over and asked me what i needed.

big corporate LOVES illegals so they can keep the minimum wage low. all we need is minimum wage to be at 18-20 bucks an hour, and we everyone will have enough money. even people working at target or the grocery store, will be able to have ONE job, and still pay the bills.

but with illegals flooding the country who are willing to work for 4 bucks an hour? they will never raise it.

reply to post by SeaWind

The only people who object to the requirement to carry valid ID are CRIMINALS.

Or free people who don't want to have to be implanted with RFID chips, or people who want to enjoy their 4th Amendment rights. People who hate the Constitution and hate freedom are all for this insane rape of the 4th Amendment and destruction of our freedoms.

Originally posted by DogsDogsDogs
reply to post by SeaWind

 

I missed it on the personal emails (actually I sent from the AZCentral site "email" button), but caught it in my post on resistnet & yahoo- corrected it in brackets. These gals are crossposting dynamos, very sharp & they'll catch it, I'm pretty sure. (the AZ law has been discussed between us a LOT) Also corrected for Waco. They are rescue/ adopters & many of our rescue connections (80-90%) are conservative/ libertarian, so that's a gimme. We just can't play politics on the groups because it's too disruptive.

Here is the story I posted to on yahoo ;-) in case anyone wants to go help out.

news.yahoo.com...

Gotta feed the furbugs or I'm going to have a "local" controversy. Thanks very much for bringing this to everyone's attention, SeaWind! This is what it takes.
(I've still got reason, the country libertarians, & FB to do but I'll get them out tonight & back to yahoo when I check my mail later)

Thank you, Dogs, for your work! I appreciate it. Cute furbugs, are the ones in your avatar rescue dogs?