Attack on U.S. Sovereignty -- 11 Latin American Countries to Weigh In on Arizona's Illegal Immigran

Originally posted by coolhanddan
Do we need to include crazy refrences to our government when the problem is with those latin governments that are crying about Arizona. Lets just enforce Mexico's law since it is better than ours

Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.
The law also says Mexico can deport foreigners who are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," violate Mexican law, are not "physically or mentally healthy" or lack the "necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents.

Per Washington Post : www.washingtontimes.com...

Excellent point, Coolhanddan. I'm sure ALL of these Latin American countries have atrocious "Human Rights" records. And they have the gall to protest the Arizona law!!! It's NONE of their business, as they have NO authority in U.S. matters.

reply to post by adifferentbreed


I suppose you'd like to follow him/her off of a cliff as well?

This whole illegal immigration thing is a manufactured program, designed to rile you up. It can be easily solved without jailing people.

reply to post by SeaWind


"Mexico was joined in its brief by Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Costa Rica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Paraguay and Peru."

so someone tell me why these countries these people who arent legal citizens of this country have any opinions the us constitution at all?

the us constitution is exactly that UNITED STATES OF AMERICA constitution not constitution of the united countries of latin america.....

with all do respect JUST GO AWAY you dont have to go away mad but just go away and stop telling this country what it should be doing.

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by coolhanddan

 

What happens when the prisons are overflowing with illegal immigrants? Who's footing the bill for those folks?

Just invade and annex Mexico if you want to stop these immigrants. It will give you more land, expanded borders and these folks will no longer have to sneak in to have the opportunities that we have.

I really believe TPTB support the idea of annexing the U.S. to Mexico (& Canada). And it will be an utter disaster for the U.S. I believe that if we had leaders in Washington who supported a secure border, we would have a secure border.

Think of it this way: not only would the U.S. be OVERRUN with desperately poor people with a very different set of values, but our professional (doctors, lawyers, professors) would suddenly have to compete with BILINGUAL Mexican professionals -- who are willing to work for less than their American counterparts.

I don't think most Americans are getting the implications of what's happening here. The U.S. is being INTENTIONALLY DESTROYED by TPTB.

reply to post by SeaWind


It's more complex than that.

All this fixation on "secure borders" just screams FASCISM to me. Would you support a totalitarian state that sent illegals to concentration camps?

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by SeaWind

 

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has granted permisssion to Mexico, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Costa Rica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Paraguay and Peru to present their viewpoints on Arizona's law on illegal immigrants.

Ahhh, the wonders of the 9th circuit court. Yet again, they trample legal citizens rights to protect the rights of criminals (both the illegal immigrant kind, and the ones behind bars in jail.). But this is staggering, even by the low standards of the 9th circuit...

To call Mexico's opinion on the Arizona law hypocritical would be an understatement.

If ever there was an example of why legal American citizens should wake the hell up, this would be it. According legitimacy to opinion from foreign countries on a matter of internal law is reprehensible...

Agreed. Excellent post, Seagull.

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by SeaWind

 

It's more complex than that.

All this fixation on "secure borders" just screams FASCISM to me. Would you support a totalitarian state that sent illegals to concentration camps?

Your response, The Sword, is illogical. Why would a sovereign nation having a secure border be equated with fascism?

No, I do NOT support a totalitarian state of any kind. Nor do I support concentration camps.

Are you one of those people who believe that the American SW belongs to Mexico -- because it did more than a hundred years ago? So Mexicans have a right to cross the border when they want?

reply to post by The Sword


Ummmm, not off of a cliff, unless we were base jumping or something. However, he makes alot more sense than TPTB on this one. And further more, has an opinion he stated, where is our adminstration at on this news...................hmmmm, I don't know, they haven't said.

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
reply to post by The Sword

 

Ummmm, not off of a cliff, unless we were base jumping or something. However, he makes alot more sense than TPTB on this one. And further more, has an opinion he stated, where is our adminstration at on this news...................hmmmm, I don't know, they haven't said.

We will see how this develops, but since Eric Holder is the one who started the lawsuit to block Arizona's law, I'd be VERY surprised if he goes AGAINST the 9th Circuit.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by SeaWind

 

"Mexico was joined in its brief by Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Costa Rica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Paraguay and Peru."

so someone tell me why these countries these people who arent legal citizens of this country have any opinions the us constitution at all?

the us constitution is exactly that UNITED STATES OF AMERICA constitution not constitution of the united countries of latin america.....

with all do respect JUST GO AWAY you dont have to go away mad but just go away and stop telling this country what it should be doing.

edit on 6-10-2010 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

I can't understand why there isn't more outrage about this. Is it that people do NOT understand the implications of this? Something very dark is going on here and most Americans seem to be unaware.

well, worst case scenario the "South" will rise again. They've been harping on that long enough. I am deeply saddened that this has come to this. I can understand that America was founded on immigration and that Mexicans are immigrants but it is the fact that the government doesn't even want to nationalize them otherwise the process would be easier or they would at least arrest those who refused to. The government should arrest illegals and then rather than deport them send them to immigration center to possibly get nationalized (however that would force them to give up Mexican citizenship). Instead, the federal government is suing Arizona because Arizona wants more power to arrest illegals? And the reason being because it is "race profiling." Um, since when has the federal government ever cared about race profiling, if they were so worried about race profiling black people would not have to worry about "driving while black."

reply to post by SeaWind


the reason there isnt more outrage is the left controls the country............

they define events they define what is right and what is wrong and what is newsworthy............

they and they alone control the horizontal they control the vertical and they and they alone are taking this country to the outer limits of unsovereignty..............


we need people with pride and respect and honor and the courage and conviction running this country.....which we clearly dont have

its not arrogance that built this great country it was confidence....pride....honor

those things that this current government clearly dont have and that is why we need to clean house..

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by SeaWind

 

It's more complex than that.

All this fixation on "secure borders" just screams FASCISM to me. Would you support a totalitarian state that sent illegals to concentration camps?

A bit of a drama Queen?

Screams of FASCISM, geez give us a friggen break. I think you're a bit over the top there. All we want is the same "secure border" Mexico is building to hold back illegal immigrates entering from the south through Guatemala. All Mexico wants is a "secure border" with Guatemala. What's good for them is not good enough for us, eh? Hypocrites and apologists of the first order reign south of our border.

We should defend our border in the same manner Mexico defends theirs. If they don't like it, TS.

And how does securing our borders have anything to do with "a totalitarian state" leading illegals to "concentration camps". Is this what they teach in schools today? If it is, it just too much to behold.

reply to post by SeaWind


Considering America is comprised of 50 Sovereign States , and together is a Sovereign Nation as a whole, how could Any Foreign Goverment have ANY say in how we run our Country ? I wonder if the Fact the the U.S. Goverment Overlooks this little bit of Logic around the World might have something to do with this Story . .Hmm.....

Originally posted by filosophia
well, worst case scenario the "South" will rise again. They've been harping on that long enough. I am deeply saddened that this has come to this. I can understand that America was founded on immigration and that Mexicans are immigrants but it is the fact that the government doesn't even want to nationalize them otherwise the process would be easier or they would at least arrest those who refused to. The government should arrest illegals and then rather than deport them send them to immigration center to possibly get nationalized (however that would force them to give up Mexican citizenship). Instead, the federal government is suing Arizona because Arizona wants more power to arrest illegals? And the reason being because it is "race profiling." Um, since when has the federal government ever cared about race profiling, if they were so worried about race profiling black people would not have to worry about "driving while black."

Filosophia, Arizona was forced to pass its own immigration law (which mirrors the Federal law) because the Federal Government has FAILED TO ENFORCE its own Federal laws. They have failed to protect the U.S. borders of Arizona. It was designed to get the attention of the Feds. It was a call for help.

And what do they get from the Feds? They get a lawsuit from the DOJ.

I am so angry with these BOGUS charges of racial profiling from the Left. The Arizona law explicitly prohibits racial profiling.

And then for the Left to compare the Arizona law to the rounding up & internment of U.S. CITIZENS (Japanese-Americans) during WWII is DISGUSTING IN ITS DISHONESTY. (That REAL "racial profiling" applied to U.S citizens of as little as 1/8 Japanese blood. That means first generation, full-blooded Japanese, a child that's half Japanese, a grandchild that's one quarter Japanese, and a great grandchild that's one eighth Japanese.)

.Are the Lefties that stupid, that they can't see there's NO comparison! This has NOTHING to do with the Arizona laws. A DISHONEST comparison used to manipulate the stupid.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by SeaWind

 

the reason there isnt more outrage is the left controls the country............

they define events they define what is right and what is wrong and what is newsworthy............

they and they alone control the horizontal they control the vertical and they and they alone are taking this country to the outer limits of unsovereignty..............


we need people with pride and respect and honor and the courage and conviction running this country.....which we clearly dont have

its not arrogance that built this great country it was confidence....pride....honor

those things that this current government clearly dont have and that is why we need to clean house..

edit on 6-10-2010 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

Neo96, I agree. I just hope it's not too late to clean house. It seems the Tea Party has been co-opted by the Republicans. If only we can reverse the damage that's been done to our country.

reply to post by The Sword


How would "annexing" Mexico not be the first step in implementing the NAU? How about we station US troops (or National Guard if that is what is legally required) to protect the borders of this sovereign nation?
What you are suggesting makes no sense (1), it furthers the agenda of bringing more Mexican nationals into the US as citizens (2), and (3) would make the problem much worse, much more rapidly.
Quelle surprise!

reply to post by DogsDogsDogs


Yeah , and Next thing you know the Canadians will All come here..........Then Leave ....

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
reply to post by SeaWind

 

Considering America is comprised of 50 Sovereign States , and together is a Sovereign Nation as a whole, how could Any Foreign Goverment have ANY say in how we run our Country ? I wonder if the Fact the the U.S. Goverment Overlooks this little bit of Logic around the World might have something to do with this Story . .Hmm.....

Zanti Misfit, if you're referring to the Iraq War -- well, that's a whole 'nother thread.

There is NO excuse for the Feds NOT protecting it's own borders, and more to the point, not protecting U.S. citizens from VIOLENT illegal immigrants.

Other countries have NO right or authority to meddle in INTERNAL U.S. affairs. That a U.S. District Court has allowed it, foreshadows something VERY sinister for the future of the U.S.

reply to post by neo96


Correction, dear friend, they control the government. They do not, Thank God, necessarily (or by all current indications with regard to the upcoming elections) control the country.
I agree on all other points!