Pedophiles - 'Brand' them like the animals they are

reply to post by brilab45


www.annualreviews.org...

At the same time, some pedophiles have not had any known sexual contact with children, and perhaps half of sex offenders against children would not meet diagnostic criteria for pedophilia.

There is no evidence to suggest that pedophilia can be changed. Instead, interventions are designed to increase voluntary control over sexual arousal, reduce sex drive, or teach self-management skills to individuals who are motivated to avoid acting upon their sexual interests.

That is from the Annual Review of Clinical Psychology, which is a rather respected, though somewhat new, publication using articles by people who are well trained in the field. That particular article is from a PhD in clinical psychology. Now tell me in all seriousness that you think you know more about clinical psychology than someone who spent 7-10 (actually 12 in this guy's case, as he did his B.Sc, M.A. and Phd.) years in post-secondary education for it.

His research has been showcased in several very large scale news publications, though I believe they are canadian so you might not recognize them by name, but I certainly do, as would at least 50% of the canadian population

reply to post by VonDoomen
Thanks for your opinions, I‘ll give a few comments and then move along.

However ANYONE who could BRAND SOMEONE, is SICK. there is no way around it.

Every day people get tattoos, split tongues and genitals, engage in body piercing and modification and scarification. All socially acceptable.
Sure, branding would be ‘against their wishes’ - but I’ve little empathy for pedophiles when it comes to do something ‘against their wishes’. And, *heavy sigh* as I’ve stated time and again, branding pedophiles, repeat offenders could be done surgically, and pain free, hurt less that a new tattoo.

Your opinion is this practice would be ‘sick’. I’d be interested in your definition of ‘sick’.

My definition of sick includes turning loose convicted child predators in a society with no outward sign they are predators. No outward sign to alert people from the moment of contact they’re dealing with someone that would rape their child if their back was turned for an instant.

To me, that is sick. It’s sick a society would be so concerned over someone’s physical appearance, and athletics that ‘branding’ would be considered ‘cruel and unusual’ but letting these predators free among children, would not.

And don’t forget - ‘branding’ was a practice throughout the world for as long as the world’s been around.

But once again it’s easier for you to attack me, than it is for you to try and gleam any hope from someone who is standing up to say ‘Thy system as we know it fails!’.

And again, killing them? That’s my choice. There it is.
Life in prison, in my opinion, is too cruel, through just.
The problem is these animals get OUT, repeat offend, over and over and over again.

So until you can come up with a better idea, (and I’d be more than willing to listen), I’ll stick by branding.

Id say both you and the pedophile were sick in that situation.

Well, one out of two isn’t bad.

If you could brand someone, then what else could you do? what about wrongfully convicted people, should they be branded too? No.

Of course not, and once again, as I’ve stated ad nauseam, branding would only take place when a predator re-offends, DNA proof positive, yadda yadda yadda.

See you haven't really thought out your idea. You were just hoping for some flags!

Oh, I thought it out quite well. But once again it’s easier for you to offer a personal attack than see the suggestion and my intent for what it is. So it’s flag hunting this time is it? At least you’re original.

We have to set the example, or else we're no better!

Exactly. Society has to set an example that if you re-offend, if you rape a child, you will suffer for the rest of your life. You will not be allowed back into society to do it again. You will be marked in a way that shows everyone you come into contact with you are NOT safe to be around. You are NOT someone who should even be allowed into society.

I agree with you. But we (as a society) are failing miserably when it comes to dealing with pedophiles.

Thus my thread.

And again, branding might not be the best option, but, if you’re not going to kill them and if you’re not going to keep them locked up for life, what would you suggest?

peace

reply to post by BiohazardsBack



I have a degree in Mental Health and I will not dispute your quotes on the fly.

Research the Admiral court system here on ATS. Quite enlightening.

Look, I have been there. I know how these devious pedophiles are. They have a game that is quite cultured and devious. They belong in some sort of life long oversee.

We may not agree on the issues. However, I see your soft side. I respect that, but do not agree.

Understand, being a victim is harsh. Being an observer is objective. I respect you more for being responsive.

Thank you.

reply to post by IceHappy

I’m reading your words and it’s dawning on me there is not only great deal of truth to be found in them, but also a ‘revelation’ of sorts that I’ve known, but honestly just did not want to commit to the forefront.

You can read all the books you want. You can pretend - using an education - to ‘know’ what makes these animals ‘tick’. But unless you are a predator of children, you’ll really never have a clue.

Respectfully, unless you’re and Adult Survivor of Childhood Sexual Assault, you will never know the harm being ‘touched’ does.

There’s no in between with this subject and I’m beginning to see (with your help) that’s what’s spawning all the hate and personal attacks here.

I’m beginning to think it comes down to fear.

There is a child inside of all of us that wants to be safe, wants to be protected.

We have police and firemen and civic servants.
We have warning labels and hard hats for when we play with our bikes and skateboards.

But we have nothing (that works) to protect our children - BEFORE - they are raped. NOTHING in place to protect the very souls of our children. And honestly, on a base level I think the anger and the hate and attacks in this thread, are stemming from that fear.

You see, if - as a society - you’re not going to cut out the cancer against your children (killing the predator) - OR - keep them segregated from children for the rest of their natural lives, as a society you have an absolute responsibility to protect societies children.

And western society is failing miserably in this instance. And that creates fear.

So again, until someone can come up with a better idea, a way to warn society that the person before you is a child predator, a repeat offender, I’ll stand by branding.

Thank you
peace

And why would we not keep them locked up for life?
Just because you somehow think that keeping them alive is more cruel than outright killing them, doesn't make it true.
Molesters almost never "escape" jail, they simply get released. Their skills are not based in a way to get out, they are often master manipulators but I have not heard of a jail warden being charmed into letting someone go when they are not legally allowed to ask for release yet. If they never went up for parole (mass murderers have been given such sentences so there is a precedent for it) then they could not get out except for an actual escape, and jail breaks are so rare that the rates would be well below 1%.

Of course, it would be cruel to keep them in the general population of prison because there they often get beaten every day. There could be "specialist" prisons that have a full ward for them into which no prisoner likely of beating them is allowed to enter.

But then again, if you branded them and let them into the world, then it would be the general population who would be harming them physically, and the general population has access to guns, so I highly doubt that you truly care about cruelty towards them.


reply to post by brilab45


Ok, then you, as a mental health professional, need to stop referring to all pedophiles as devious. You, as a mental health professional, should know that only approximately half of convicted molesters show a genuine attraction towards children, as proven by the test that shows the most consistent response. AND, that test? Shows an average of 5% false positives, so really the rate is more along the lines of 45%.
You, as a mental health professional, need to realize that there are SEVERAL studies out there that show that pedophiles can and DO suppress their urges their entire lives in many cases.

I don't try to prevent fair, legal punishment against molesters and predators. What I try to prevent is UNfair prejudice against ANY sexual orientation.

YES, molesters who are clinically pedophiles are the ones more likely to re-offend. NO, the ones who have not already molested someone are not any more likely to do so than the average heterosexual male is to rape a physically attractive female.

reply to post by silo13


You're still ignoring the fact that a child is much more likely to be molested by a first-time offender than a repeat offender. Still denying the medical opinion that such a branding would simply cause those who do re-offend to do so more violently, and secretly.

I completely disagree that experts cannot understand someone who commits a crime, we understand the minds of people who rape adults in most cases, why would that of one who rapes a child be any more difficult?
Of course most people will not know what pain a victim goes through, but I believe some people can. Not through hearing about it once, but through seeing victims and hearing from victims and being practically smothered by the sheer amount of stories heard from the very mouths of victims, one can see what has happened. One angle is not enough to grasp the entirety, but I have heard DOZENS of victims discussing their past, what happened, what happened to them then, and in the near future, and even 10, 20 years later how it still affected them. I am thoroughly entrenched in the support network of the internet, and frequent a certain site that is full of such stories (I honestly do not know a better word to describe them and apologize if it somehow offends someone, I am in no way trying to minimize or fictionalize these people's experiences)


There is a lot of attacking, a lot of hatred, in any discussion between people on opposite sides of this type of discussion. I hope that you mean both sides, because if you don't see how some of the things you have said have been outright attacks (and I don't mean the post that got deleted, things that were slipped into longer posts that I didn't bother reporting because I didn't feel that the entire post needed to be removed and would have rather you seen how what you said was insulting than to be annoyed that it got removed) then I honestly cannot see you as a rational person, and while arguing with you would be useless, I am stubborn and refuse to allow people to believe that me leaving means they are right and I am wrong.

It is a very long article I found this tidbit of information in, so if someone would like the link just say so and I will post it, but I do not want to waste people's time by making them feel they have to read an entire article to get this one bit of information verified.

In the United States, the number of juvenile rapes reported to police dropped 26 per cent between 1992 and 2001. And the number of substantiated sexual abuse cases reported to child protection authorities decreased by 40 per cent.

It is written in Macleans which is a very respected source of news here.

This obviously appears to refute the claim that molesters are multiplying due to molesters being molested as children.

The same article states that only one sixth of molesters report childhood abuse, doesn't even specify if that means sexual abuse or not, so it could be interpreted in either way. It also says that those who are male pedophiles who only abuse young boys, the rate is two thirds, but only one quarter of reported victims are male (taken from silo's stats page that I have previously used), so the rate still would not really be increasing, due to the small percentage of male victims.

reply to post by BiohazardsBack


Look, I was a victim. I'll keep it simple.

reply to post by silo13


Great thread, silo, and so true.

But PC will stop us from branding paedophiles, unfortunately.

Just exile them from the world - anyone who has sexually abused a child is in prison forever- no parole, no good behaviour.

Also I would go one further and say anyone who has abused a child in all other ways - bullying, torturing, putting them down all the time - destroying them - which is as bad as the paedophiles - in prison forever, throw away the key.

I would like to string them all up but we are not allowed to, unfortunately.

reply to post by brilab45


If you want to tell us, bril, or even if you want to tell only one person, you can.

So please tell us what you want.

EDIT TO ADD:

The following post could contain 'triggers'. Those of you who know what this is might want to pass on reading this post.

reply to post by brilab45

I was threatened with my life and life of my family. Tell me what?! Eff u to those who do not understand. All child predators must be jailed.

This is one part of the crime against children that makes me physically ill.
The emotional and mental terror a child goes through - as you well know.

That, and something so unbearably wrong its’ hard to describe without breaking down.

The FACT that these little children, out of LOVE for their parents, become the ones who take on the role of ‘protecting’ their parents, at the cost of their very body, life and souls.

A little child, who should be safe - gives everything their little souls have - to protect those who should be protecting them.

It goes something like this:

The doorbell rings... The predator has arrived.
The little child often sees his/her parents interacting, laughing, eating and enjoying the company of his/her parents with no obvious problems. Thus the child is groomed to trust a older person, therefore a person authority and someone a child by law of age and social interaction must be ‘trusted’.

Knock knock on the bedroom door... The predator has arrived.
The child is physically abused by the predator.
A child who’s neither physically, mentally or emotionally mature is used for sexual gratification by an adult. Enough said.

Now’s when the real horror sets in. (This is really hard to write...)

The real horror begins when the adult, the person placed in authority over the child, deviously, intentionally and without thought to the emotional and mental harm done to that child, without a thought to the TERROR they spawn, says: ‘If you tell I will kill your Mommy/Daddy’...

‘You don’t want me to kill your Mommy do you?’
So the child submits to oral, anal, vaginal rape to PROTECT THE LIFE OF THEIR PARENT(S).

One step farther into the DEVIOUS terror tools the PREDATOR uses?

The little sly looks the predator passes onto the child when the parents are in the same room, sitting across on a sofa, across a dinning room table, the pew in church.
Maybe it’s holding up a butter knife to their throats, or a finger in a slashing motion or looking pointedly at the parent, then back at the child repeatedly.
Whatever it is the physiological terror is something most cannot even comprehend.

And more?

After an established routine of abuse the predator begins on the total and complete destruction of the child's own sense of right and wrong and their own sense of themselves.

‘You didn’t tell anyone did you. That’s because you like it don’t you.’

In the process of sexually abusing the child, the predator continually repeats, while touching the genitals of the child - ‘You like that don’t you. Don’t you. Don’t you...’

Those who've not been raped as a child cannot even fathom this. Surely not from reading about it in a book, on an intellectual level, or emotional or spiritual level either.

It will take a lifetime, if the child is lucky, to even begin to repair the damage the predator has done.
The complete and utter destruction of their innocence, their sense of themselves, their own sexuality, their feelings of horror and shame... And the list, regrettably and heartbreakingly goes on and on and on.

Can you even imagine listening to a 4 year old say he wants to die because he feels like he has ‘worms’ crawling through his little body?

Or watch a little girl kiss each of her stuffed toys goodnight before hiding them under her bed before she goes to sleep - so they'll all be 'safe' from the monster?

*PAUSE*

But society as we know it allows these predators to go free. Free, with no outward signs or what they’re capable of doing to your child, and your child’s soul, for life.

There is NO rational thinking in that.

So save yourself and me the time because you can try until the day after forever to convince me it's not ‘rational’ to brand a predator and I’ll look at you with pity in my eyes because you’ve not ONE CLUE.

Thank you for your post brilab45 - (Oh, and obviously the last paragraph is not directed at you).

peace

reply to post by silo13


Please come and talk to me, silo, I thought I was talking to someone else.

Please come and talk to me silo.

reply to post by catwhoknows

There are days when I wish I'd never taken on the project I have, helping research (for a book someone else is writing) on the 'Voices of Survivors'. This person is already published I think it's 3 'Voices of - ' books and through lack of time (and recovering from a stroke) I was asked if I'd help interview not only adult survivors, but child rapists themselves.

There are times when I feel I've heard too much, seem too much, but I know it's nothing compared to those I've interviewed.

I've not the talent to describe the terror I've seen in the eyes of an adult as they describe their attacks, their ongoing pain, and the repercussions of their abuse. But it has scarred, and scared me, not for myself, but for generations of children to come.

My latest interview was with an Adult Survivor. He was a 13 year old paperboy who was abducted, raped, thrown in the back of a vehicle, driven to another post to be raped with a beer bottle, threatened and cut with a knife, put back in the vehicle and driven to another post, (to be raped again orally and anally) - the nightmare went on and on.

The man who raped and tortured this boy is now 67 and soon to be released from a the Special Commitment Center on McNeil Island.
When I interviewed the predator (via phone) he ‘laughed’ when recounting how this boy ‘cried for his Mommy’ while he [SNIP]

Further insult to injury, I was supposed to 'understand' this piece of walking evil ‘loved’ the boy, and was ‘gentle’ with him. ‘Hey, I spit in my hand first...’ *laughter*.
The interview ended there.

This predator is a level 3 sexual offender. And yes, you heard me right, he is soon to be released. Before Christmas, or just at in fact. Merry Christmas community.

TO DATE he is NOT on the registered offenders list in the State where he lives. I just checked again this morning. LOL
I guess they wait until after they’re released to post their names. *Shakes head in disgust*.

So, there is NO ONE that can tell me, releasing this animal, back into society, without any visible warning, any visible outward sign of the evil and danger he's capable of is 'rational' - or - socially correct.

Thank you for your offer to talk. You’re the kind of person that gives others hope.
Truly, I'm fine myself until I'm subjected to the mass attacks and mass ignorance as I've found on this thread. Not for my own sake, ignorant attacks just roll right off like water on a duck, but that doesn’t stop me from being horrified for THEIR SAKE.

Not only the children of the past, who are now Adult Survivors, but the children of the future, who have NO IDEA there is a predator just waiting to strike.

peace

Originally posted by brilab45
reply to post by BiohazardsBack

 

You are completely reveled in ideological illiteracy regarding this issue. Henceforth, I bid you adieu. Good luck on your poor evaluated understanding of this issue.

THANK YOU!

Good on you, there is a saying, "don't feed the trolls" and I have stopped! Can you PLEASE tell me where has the "Ignore" button gone I have been looking for this 3 pages behind this one. ATS format has changed and for the better IMHO except for now as I cannot find this button. Sorry for the rest of this posting but I have been fined for my last Thank you for being too short and that was after adding "the second line" for those like me who has seen this done many times like myself be warned if the Mod are not on your side in the current thread argument you will be fined ATS points! I am declaring this as I have seen it so wide spread in practice I did not know that it was reserved for the few. I thought it was an excellent tool in making a point! I was wrong! Now if you are like me and read this you now know!

OPEN reply to the thread!

I cannot imagine a country that would take as many of USA rejects and accepting this on a continuing bases!
I just cannot believe that it would work. I have stated to the readers a few times in previous posts that if branding offends the readers of this thread then please suggest another method.

Stop lecturing me!

Stop insulting me!

Please give us an example! If you were Top Dog what would you do to protect the children from these monsters?

This time I am changing that request to what I thought was clear!

If it offends the readers of this thread the OP idea of Branding then Please post, write, have a conversation with us, discuss another WORKABLE, realistic method to making sure there is not one more victim! Shoveling our dirt to another country where history has a chance of repeating itself IMHO not a very nice method and that countries young need to be protected too.

There is a thing I hear all of the time and it is called NIMBY! Not In My Back Yard!

This is not a solution to sweep dirt under the carpet.

Please lets have a discussion on how to protect the innocent and deal humanely with the monsters I am sure this is what the spirit of the OP had in mind until being attack!!!

You can be a thinker rather than a sheeple and thus becoming part of the solution and not the problem!

Just a thought. I honestly thought that ATS was objective than this!

reply to post by Pinke

Hi - sorry it took me so long to get back to your reply.

Yes, the information you pointed out 'helped'.
It helped to remind me I need to get my old computer back so I can access all my info!
I'm have a horrible time trying to navigate the web with the struggling computer I'm on at the moment.
I'll keep looking for the websites I'd bookmark and get back to you when I find them.

Beyond that I think one problem we're all having is coming to some agreement on who the persons are I'm directing the thread to.

You see it makes no difference to me what their 'psychological label' is.
If they've had any sexual misconduct with a prepubescent child and are convicted of it?
That's who I suggested 'branding'.
Pedophile, child molester, rapist - it doesn't matter.

Touch a child, get caught, do it again? That's the one I want a 'warning' sign on when they're re released back into society.

Thanks again and I'll do my best to get back to you ASAP with those numbers/statistics.

peace

reply to post by silo13


Silo thank you for this... I could not share my experiences too painful to write and hard to see the keyboard from the tears of sorrow, anger, desire of revenge but understand that revenge is not right and only is reserved for Country Leaders such as the current two wars over 911 again IMHO was an inside job and of course all the taxation which has now funded the almost broke CIA, FBI and creating a new department called Home Land Security who now listens to all phone conversations and what is written on the Internet. If that is not a revengeful act I am confused and slightly getting off topic as I was only trying to say that many are vengeful as long as you belong to the right club or group. Why is it okay for a leader to invoke revenge another word for retaliation (Bush Jr words) and a victim not ask for the same? A war where many young people die for the satisfaction of the leader vs one monster to be dealt with and only that monster dieing?

I can only hope that some people who cannot understand what the few of us (the percentage almost seems the same victims vs normal childhood!) are saying will read your words and stories in this post and stand back then to understand what we already know.

The current system since the start of time is flawed and does not work which actually is working to aiding and abetting the monster.

I keep seeing these Stats which were produced by people who are making them and make a fantastic living from it. I was was told in one of my classes that people who conclude studies do so in favour of the hand that feeds them.

I don't know if that is true or not but it is an interesting point to consider.... One other thing to consider. I am many like me are not in those Stats. So knowing this I have no faith in them and refuse to read or be swayed by them as far as few posters are suggesting that because an offender has not been caught again means they are not offending. Wow I cannot understand that at all. Maybe they have gotten smarter or are offending more clever and knowing a few of us are not in those stats how do these quoter know that the next victims are not being silent as well. On top of the horror of being abused there is also the shame and few people want to be shamed when they have suffered so greatly. Much like how many women report rape and those stats or those who do withdraw their complaint before trial because of how they are treated and are personally feeling.

Stats IMHO are inconclusive!

The status quo is not working - there needs to be another way.

Thank you again Silo for this post and of course your thread which was not done for stars and flags.

Could we also brand Murderers?
I would like to see a big "G" on the gays, a "T" for transvestites.
We could brand the priests and the peds with a big "P".
They might as well put a big "A-hole" on my forehead.

Sorry for the sarcasm, but I don't think this would be a good way to handle people with mental problems to begin with.

If you brand someone like that, they will be "outed" from society.
They will retaliate against society and cause more problems than your brand would cure.
Think murder.

I'm afraid your brand would not stop it at all.
Only guarantee they won't do it again would be life in prison or death.
I say use a 22 right after conviction. Problem solved...right? Or is it murder?

Perhaps you should change your way of thinking silo. You may find yourself branded and outed right here on ATS.
Be careful what you wish for, as what comes around......

reply to post by IceHappy

Silo thank you for this... I could not share my experiences too painful to write and hard to see the keyboard from the tears of sorrow, anger, desire of revenge but understand that revenge

And one absolute tragedy is when you voice your desire for revenge - others - who will never know your pain, who cannot even fathom your despair and the scars that will never, ever be healed - will so quickly judge you and your attitude as being ‘harsh’ on the pedophile forgetting all together the pedophiles actions are what spawned the desire for revenge and vengeance in the first place.
If that isn’t taking their side I don’t know what is.

But, one thing we all must refrain from doing is taking sides.
There should be no ‘sides’ in this issue, unless that ‘side’ is universally for procuring the safety of children - at all costs.
But again, this is the opinion of someone who puts the children first. Above all

...I was only trying to say that many are vengeful as long as you belong to the right club or group. Why is it okay for a leader to invoke revenge another word for retaliation (Bush Jr words) and a victim not ask for the same? A war where many young people die for the satisfaction of the leader vs one monster to be dealt with and only that monster dieing?

EXTREMELY GOOD POINT!

I can only hope that some people who cannot understand what the few of us (the percentage almost seems the same victims vs normal childhood!) are saying will read your words and stories in this post and stand back then to understand what we already know.

Honestly I’m coming to the conclusion they never will. Unless it happens to their own.
I’ve often found myself wondering what would happen to the movement against the release of sexual predators if a son or daughter of one such as Angelina Joliea and Brad Pitt were to fall victim of a child predator?
Though I pray each night it would never happen, to anyone's child, how sad the knowledge is, in this society, if one of ‘their’ children were raped - there’d be such an outcry we’d never have to worry about repeat offenders being let back out on the street ever ever again.
But when it’s one of ‘our’ kids?
Well, just another sickening benchmark of how far western society has slid that there should even be a differentiation between ‘theirs’ and ours’ when discussion child rape.

The current system since the start of time is flawed and does not work which actually is working to aiding and abetting the monster.

I agree.
I remember how I was not surprised at all to hear a level 3 sexual predator explain that ‘of course’ he went to ‘re-hash’ (not rehab) classes once a week. It gave him the chance to reduce his sexual predator rating from a level 3, to a level 2.

Ok, so, these predators are kept in a country-club like setting, (because they would not be ‘safe’ in general lockup), where they are given medical, dental, food, roofs over their head, counseling, computers, dvds and on and on, along with the ability to sit in on counseling sessions once a week that will lower their predator rating? And all at the cost of their victims?
My Gawd. Tell me that isn’t total BS or I’ll say you’re clueless.

I keep seeing these Stats which were produced by people who are making them and make a fantastic living from it. I was was told in one of my classes that people who conclude studies do so in favour of the hand that feeds them.

Hey, that’s the way the ball bounces isn’t it. The money-ball that is.

I am many like me are not in those Stats. So knowing this I have no faith in them and refuse to read or be swayed by them as far as few posters are suggesting that because an offender has not been caught again means they are not offending. Wow I cannot understand that at all. Maybe they have gotten smarter or are offending more clever and knowing a few of us are not in those stats how do these quoter know that the next victims are not being silent as well.

Statistics concerning predators and children, in my opinion (and even though I’ve sighted them) have NO bearing or reverence on the true numbers at all.

Why? Because the majority of cases, (especially concerning young boys) are never reported - and that FACT is something almost all who are ‘in the know’ agree.
So, trying to reflect truth from numbers so deficient from the get go?
At best they can give a vague, and I stress vague idea of how prevalent is the problem, but, it doesn’t even come close to reflecting the true numbers.

On top of the horror of being abused there is also the shame and few people want to be shamed when they have suffered so greatly. Much like how many women report rape and those stats or those who do withdraw their complaint before trial because of how they are treated and are personally feeling.

I can believe it now first hand from seeing some of the responses I’ve gotten here.
Some, even in only presuming I’m an adult survivor have used that presumption to leave open the door to prejudice, discounting my opinions as biased. The ignorance of it all is astounding.
In that I can’t even imagine being the child victim of a ‘well to do somebody’ and you trying to report you were raped! Or going up against a parent without any support system!

Stats IMHO are inconclusive!

Not only inconclusive, but extremely misleading, especially here in the case of child predators.

The status quo is not working - there needs to be another way.

Agreed. And though I’m beginning to see the ugly truth of the modern day USA ‘Facebook/Paris Hilton’ society? I will surely never understand it, or agree with it.
That the very thought of marking someone’s face is more horrendous than protecting children from predators who’ve already been convicted of crimes against children, allowing them the freedom in society?

So, IceHappy, sadly, if we rely on the minds an opinion of these same people to find a solution you can bet society will continue under the curse and cancer of a problem which will go uncured and unchecked for a very long time to come.

Thank you again for your reply and your attention to this thread. Your support has made a difference and given the world back some hope.

peace

Originally posted by SLaPPiE
Could we also brand Murderers?
I would like to see a big "G" on the gays, a "T" for transvestites.
We could brand the priests and the peds with a big "P".
They might as well put a big "A-hole" on my forehead.

Sorry for the sarcasm, but I don't think this would be a good way to handle people with mental problems to begin with.

If you brand someone like that, they will be "outed" from society.
They will retaliate against society and cause more problems than your brand would cure.
Think murder.

I'm afraid your brand would not stop it at all.
Only guarantee they won't do it again would be life in prison or death.
I say use a 22 right after conviction. Problem solved...right? Or is it murder?

Perhaps you should change your way of thinking silo. You may find yourself branded and outed right here on ATS.
Be careful what you wish for, as what comes around......

So thats it no positive suggestions??? Falling in line with many posters does not make you an individual or a thinker!

Do you feel more pain for the sex offender or for the victim? After the monster has been caught and knowing the status quo is not working and eventually knowing the monster will be set free as history teaches us what would your words be to the next victim whose life now has been ruined?

"We had him but he was more important than your safety as we worried that he might do more harm is we labeled him! Don't worry if as a result of your unsolicited act you become a sex offender as we have stats that there is that possibility as we will protect you like we did your attacker!"

If you are not saying the words I have put into your mouth as I see those words of your implication from the above post I am sorry so please explain the implication if I got it wrong.

Another question for you and other readers who share your feelings, do you not feel as a member of society that supports the status quo any responsibility to the next victim? I am reminded that a victim of a car accident left shattered and life ruined is entitled to sue or compensation but the victim of a sexual monster which can leave similar mental scars and disabilities are entitled to nothing.