Honestly, What More Proof Do We Really Need?

OK I'm a big believer of extraterrestrial life & UFOs etc, and it's not even that I'm a Sci Fi nerd who loves Star Trek/Star Wars and wants all that type of crap to be real. It's just that I do genuinely believe in Aliens & always have done. Anyway, I've been watching a lot of documentaries recently and the 2 that have really stood out to me have been "Ancient Aliens" & "Out Of The Blue" which both talk about the possibility of Aliens actually existing & visiting Earth etc.

The thing that frustrates me though, is that in these documentaries there's often SO MUCH evidence of Aliens/UFOs that it seems stupid to NOT believe it. Granted there are some people out there who edit videos/pictures and just want to get on TV, but I refuse to believe that every single person who has ever captured a UFO on video or with a camera is lying through their teeth.

It's things like for example, in the "Out Of The Blue" documentary, there was an alien craft that had supposedly landed in a field and was witnessed by a farmer & his wife. The government then sent in analyzers to check the ground where it had landed, and there was evidence of ground compression, etc amongst other things. Now obviously I'm not saying that ground compression proves 100% that a UFO had landed, but with SO MANY pictures/videos and eye witness accounts of Aliens & UFOs, they have got to be real.

It's a real shame that for the time being, it seems that the only "proof" people will be happy with is if something happens such as an alien craft crash landing into the middle of a major City such as New York or London etc, or if thousands of people all see an Alien with their own eyes at the same time. But then again, even then I bet you people would still dismiss the fact that Aliens exist, and I can't understand why. Dark Matter for example has actually never been seen but scientists all over the world believe in it and claim that it exists. Why don't people believe in aliens though? Honestly, what type of proof do we really need to get people to believe in Aliens/UFOs, and to get the government to admit they DO exist?

Surely EVERY single sighting of UFOs can't be explained by claiming it was a weather balloon, Chinese Lantern, Northern lights or a top secret government craft that's being tested.

I made a thread about a week ago on another forum (which I will post here in a few minutes aswell) claiming that I'd seen some UFOs for the first time in my life, and even posted a picture & explained in detail what I'd seen. It turned out that hardly anybody in the thread believed me, and they all claimed it was probably Chinese Lanterns etc. I know what Chinese Lanterns look like and what I saw WAS NOT them.

There's something I read a while back and I'm hoping that it turns out to be real, but then again with so many "predictions" flying around these days, with hardly any of them turning out to be true, this is probably just me grabbing at straws. It was about a Worldwide UFO Display on October 13, 2010 Here's the thread anyway - *SNIP*

It's just frustrating sitting at home watching countless hours of Alien documentaries, reading about them constantly, seeing pictures & videos etc and still there's no admittance by the government that they actually exist.



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Here's a thought. To avoid frustration don't watch the "documentaries". Because they aren't.

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I may be eating my words on the 13th, but I don't think UFOs will hover over the major world cities on that day.
I suspect that is just a small part of the book the ex-Air Force officer is trying to promote.

I admit it would be pretty cool, and we'd all probably get the day off work, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

People want the Governments of the world to tell them what they THINK they have known as truth all along. That, I think, will be enough proof for most people. Unfortunately, it is NOT TRUTH and it is also the culmination of Satan's plan to mislead mankind into believing that UFOs are from far off earth-like planets with beings that are human-like, reptilian or as depicted in the movies.

The United States had a break through many years back when they came in contact with the other side with a device that's powered by electrical generators. At that time, Satan made his appearance to them. Satan warned them that Christ's Kingdom would remove all power structures on this planet if he loses the War. He told them of Yahweh's plan to merge the spiritual with the fleshly realm. That was the beginning of the Pact.

Many people today believe the USA has been contacted by aliens and that the USA is hiding it from them. This has been to condition and prepare them for the great falsehood when the USA makes the claim, "You already knew the truth. We kept it hidden to keep down hysteria until the right moment to reveal our friends to the entire world."

The truth is that UFOs are of spiritual origin and that the US and other governments have also developed their own UFOs in preparation for Armageddon. They know exactly who they will be up against and it won't be little green men from the Nibiru, Planet X, or the Pleiades or anywhere else. It will be Yahweh's Holy Angelic forces; the Lions of Zion.

Originally posted by Phage
Here's a thought. To avoid frustration don't watch the "documentaries". Because they aren't.

They aren't what? Derived from documents? There was plenty of documentation in the ones I've watched. Whether the documents were true or not, I don't know, but it's still a documentary.

Unless of course you meant to say "Because they aren't true" and just missed out that last word

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Vanchatron.....

About the 13th.....

Sorry.....you'd better look at this:

More channelling silliness

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by Vanchatron

They aren't documentaries. They are one sided fluff pieces broadcast in an attempt to increase viewership and thereby revenue.

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Oh Phage, why so dismissive!

Vanchatron makes some good points. What if only 1% of the UFO were real, that is significant, no?

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
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Vanchatron.....

About the 13th.....

Sorry.....you'd better look at this:

More channelling silliness

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

I just read a few posts on the first page of that thread. It seems people don't believe in it & are just making fun of the guy. OK fair enough, he might deserve to be made fun of, I don't know. To be honest, I don't even know what NORAD is or who the guy is either. I just found it interesting that's all. If it doesn't happen on the 13th (which it probably won't) then life will go on as usual. If it DOES happen, then we'll have to see what occurs.

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Even if they do, we already have a battery of excuses already in place. Let's see, this year alone we have: Chinese Lanterns. LED Kites and Remote Controlled UFO toys. Lest not forget the good ol stand-by: military flares.

If the Phoenix Lights didn't make people either believers or realizers (that our government has capabilities far beyond they admit to) then........humanity will stay mired down in its ignorance for quite some more time.

Yes! Good thread and I agree entirely. Whilst there are a lot of fakes and people just trying to get their few minutes of fame, there are also a lot of genuine sightings. To say that all sightings can be explained or proven to be fake is nonsense.

Keep an open mind, people. Do you know for sure what is out there? Everything? If not, then how can you argue that there is no alien life?

I pity people who need to physically touch something to know its real, or possible even.

Originally posted by Phage
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They aren't documentaries. They are one sided fluff pieces broadcast in an attempt to increase viewership and thereby revenue.

Whatever you call them (I myself call them documentaries) they're interesting and make you think for hours afterwards. I'm guessing you're the type of person who refuses to watch documentaries (or should I say "TV Programs" for you?) like that because you don't believe in ANY of it. That's fine. It's just a shame in my opinion, as I feel it's interesting & worth watching, if just to make you think for a while afterwards, which is something that modern day TV shows (MTV crap for example) doesn't really allow.

You're claiming that they're "one sided fluff pieces broadcast in an attempt to increase viewership and thereby revenue" and I'm not saying 100% that they aren't that, but you seem to be rather one sided yourself. You're claiming that the documentaries aren't true, therefore you're bending it to suit YOU, whereas I guess I'm bending it to suit myself. I believe in it, you don't, fair enough. Neither of us have any proof. I have no proof it's real, you have no proof that everything said in these programs are lies & are just made to increase revenue.

It's all a matter of opinion at the end of the day.

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Vanchatron.....

I think you can see the truth of it.....

That guy is a hoaxer who is grasping on to the junk Ufology gravy train by his fingernails.

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Originally posted by Human_Alien
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Even if they do, we already have a battery of excuses already in place. Let's see, this year alone we have: Chinese Lanterns. LED Kites and Remote Controlled UFO toys. Lest not forget the good ol stand-by: military flares.

If the Phoenix Lights didn't make people either believers or realizers (that our government has capabilities far beyond they admit to) then........humanity will stay mired down in its ignorance for quite some more time.

You've elaborated on something I should have added in the first post, the Phoenix Lights occurence. I watched "Out of the Blue" last night and it was talking about this for around 15 minutes and I just found it fascinating. I'd never really heard about them before so I was quite shocked to be hearing about them. I mean, come on, there are pictures of the damn things (or "thing" should I say) in the sky and hundreds of people saw them. They weren't edited into the picture afterwards like many UFO photos, they were actually there.

Originally posted by Vanchatron


The thing that frustrates me though, is that in these documentaries there's often SO MUCH evidence of Aliens/UFOs that it seems stupid to NOT believe it.

So MUCH evidence?

Granted there are some people out there who edit videos/pictures and just want to get on TV, but I refuse to believe that every single person who has ever captured a UFO on video or with a camera is lying through their teeth.

This is the problem you may be having.
You are equating the siting of an UnIdentified Object with an Identified Object that must be Alien in Origin.
That is why you may be frustrated?

It's things like for example, in the "Out Of The Blue" documentary, there was an alien craft that had supposedly landed in a field and was witnessed by a farmer & his wife. The government then sent in analyzers to check the ground where it had landed, and there was evidence of ground compression, etc amongst other things. Now obviously I'm not saying that ground compression proves 100% that a UFO had landed, but with SO MANY pictures/videos and eye witness accounts of Aliens & UFOs, they have got to be real.

Yes there are many eyewitness accounts.
But that criteria applies to demons, angels and ghosts, Jesus and Mary, Bigfoot, Elvis, Jim Morrison, The Lochness Monster etc etc.
All these have witness accounts and testimonies.

It's a real shame that for the time being, it seems that the only "proof" people will be happy with is if something happens such as an alien craft crash landing into the middle of a major City such as New York or London etc, or if thousands of people all see an Alien with their own eyes at the same time.

My Friend, What is wrong with having a reasonable reason to accept something as the truth?

But then again, even then I bet you people would still dismiss the fact that Aliens exist, and I can't understand why.

It amazes me that people believe that there is a Space Opera going on at the moment, if you believe all the threads you read on ATS, there are also space wars going on, actually a few wars I think. All with nothings at all in the way of proof.
So People believe funny things.

Dark Matter for example has actually never been seen but scientists all over the world believe in it and claim that it exists. Why don't people believe in aliens though?

People do believe in Aliens. Some people even have religious organizations based in this belief.

Honestly, what type of proof do we really need to get people to believe in Aliens/UFOs, and to get the government to admit they DO exist?

Honestly! Alot more than two "Documentaries".

Surely EVERY single sighting of UFOs can't be explained by claiming it was a weather balloon, Chinese Lantern, Northern lights or a top secret government craft that's being tested.

Surely though, that does not automatically make it a space ship?

I made a thread about a week ago on another forum (which I will post here in a few minutes aswell) claiming that I'd seen some UFOs for the first time in my life, and even posted a picture & explained in detail what I'd seen. It turned out that hardly anybody in the thread believed me, and they all claimed it was probably Chinese Lanterns etc. I know what Chinese Lanterns look like and what I saw WAS NOT them.

Life must be real tough for you hey!
I guess thats the gamble you take on a public forum. I guess you can take a lesson from it that people do not get that easily swayed on ATS.

There's something I read a while back and I'm hoping that it turns out to be real, but then again with so many "predictions" flying around these days, with hardly any of them turning out to be true, this is probably just me grabbing at straws. It was about a Worldwide UFO Display on October 13, 2010 Here's the thread anyway - lightworkers.org...

Google Blossom GoodChild.
That should set you straight on this prediction.

It's just frustrating sitting at home watching countless hours of Alien documentaries, reading about them constantly, seeing pictures & videos etc and still there's no admittance by the government that they actually exist.

I get frustrated watching "Alien Documentaries" too.

Take care.

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Vanchatron.....

You've never heard of the Pheonix lights?

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You're wrong. I do watch them. And they frustrate me quite a lot too. Though for different reasons than you.

I didn't say everything in the "documentaries" is lies. I said they are fluff, without substance. You act as if they are the "proof" we need. They offer no proof.

Originally posted by Vanchatron

Originally posted by Human_Alien
reply to post by Chamberf=6

 

Even if they do, we already have a battery of excuses already in place. Let's see, this year alone we have: Chinese Lanterns. LED Kites and Remote Controlled UFO toys. Lest not forget the good ol stand-by: military flares.

If the Phoenix Lights didn't make people either believers or realizers (that our government has capabilities far beyond they admit to) then........humanity will stay mired down in its ignorance for quite some more time.

You've elaborated on something I should have added in the first post, the Phoenix Lights occurence. I watched "Out of the Blue" last night and it was talking about this for around 15 minutes and I just found it fascinating. I'd never really heard about them before so I was quite shocked to be hearing about them. I mean, come on, there are pictures of the damn things (or "thing" should I say) in the sky and hundreds of people saw them. They weren't edited into the picture afterwards like many UFO photos, they were actually there.

Out of sight, out of mind. That's how it's played.
Phoenix Lights made HUGE news in 1997. I remember it was on my birthday.

It was seen for hours (if not the one that hovered over the city that night then,another one which, sashayed down the valley for 3 hours) and was seen (and photographed) by doctors, lawyers and others.
The governor even jumped on the UFO band wagon but....nothing ever came of it.


Flares. That's the word. Yes indeed! A military plane decided to drop fiery dangerous flares over a major city(when they have the entire desert to perform tests in) around 10PM on March 13th 1997 in hopes, it wouldn't set the entire city on fire. Hey, sounds plausible enough

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You see. It's like this.

If you were really interested in learning about the incident. If you did any research, you would know that; a) the lights were not seen over Phoenix and b) since it has been quite well demonstrated that the lights seen in the video were flares the story, has evolved. But since you seem to pay attention to those "documentaries" too. You may have missed that.

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Human Alien.....

Flares. That's the word. Yes indeed! A military plane decided to drop fiery dangerous flares over a major city(when they have the entire desert to perform tests in) around 10PM on March 13th 1997 in hopes, it wouldn't set the entire city on fire. Hey, sounds plausible enough

They did drop flares.

It wasn't over the city.....it was on the other side of a mountain range some miles from the city.

The photos of the flares were picked up as photos of the UFO......which was a shame.

One must revert to the witness reports for this case,

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