So you want Free Energy?

If you're having trouble reading the text in those vids I recommend increasing the resolution, the second one was uploaded in HD. The second one is blocked in some countries due to copyright issues with the audio track so here's a link to the version with no audio: www.youtube.com...

I saw another post relating to free energy and UFOs so I figured I throw up these vids. Truth is that generating 'free' energy, or extremely cheap energy rather, is quite simple. I am aware that not all of you will be comfortable believing in these concepts and I've already fielded a number of questions relating to the law of conservation of energy. Try to keep in mind that the laws of physics are merely interpretations of how man understands that the universe works. Throughout history the laws of physics have changed because our understanding was proven incorrect time and time again.

I could not find the free part. It looks as if they have invented the electric motor. As we all know, they do not run for free.

reply to post by earthdude


The generator turns itself using it's own electro magnetism. The magnetic energy around the flowing electricity turns the armature which in turn spins the shaft of the DC generator generating the electricity that then creates the magnetic field that turns the armature. It's generating it's own energy.

Anything with a permanent magnet has a good start.
The problem with capturing ambient energy with electrical wires means using a lot of
wires means owning a copper mine as well and the secret science police will find
out about the large wire accumulation and come a knocking.
They know what to look out for because they are told.
They are just doing their job under orders.
A Tesla ambient generator is said by Mr. Lyne to have 5 or 50 miles of wire
and runs a fair sized submarine.

reply to post by TeslaandLyne


No surprises there. There's plenty of reason, as you already know, for free energy technology to be covered up, energy is a primary strangle hold on the masses.

The only real hurdle for this design is heat. Larger models would generate quite a bit of heat which would need to be cooled. The good news is that since they are so simple small compact versions powering individual households would be the best way to go. Smaller versions would produce little heat so that small passive heat sinks would work perfectly well. Better yet this would decentralize the power grid so catastrophic power failures would be a thing of the past.

The government has been suppressing over unity devices for years along with other energy saving devices via the DOE and other agencies. Est'd over 5000 devices.

An acquaintance of mind, electrical engineer is presently testing one over unity design that is VERY efficient. It could easily supply a house or small business.

I check keelynet.com and peswiki every day for new updates in this field.

There is also the PAP engine making it's way to the market. It runs on noble gases. CK virgine-engine.com

You should really use the search function as a post like this is highly insulting to the members here.

These devices are scams. There's a real good reason why there are none of these in operation, and it isn't because of oil company conspiracies. From wikepaedia please learn and deny ignorance!

The law of conservation of energy is an empirical law of physics. It states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant over time (is said to be conserved over time). A consequence of this law is that energy can neither be created nor destroyed: it can only be transformed from one state to another. The only thing that can happen to energy in a closed system is that it can change form: for instance chemical energy can become kinetic energy.
Albert Einstein's theory of relativity shows that energy and mass are the same thing, and that neither one appears without the other. Thus in closed systems, both mass and energy are conserved separately, just as was understood in pre-relativistic physics. The new feature of relativistic physics is that "matter" particles (such as those constituting atoms) could be converted to non-matter forms of energy, such as light; or kinetic and potential energy (example: heat). However, this conversion does not affect the total mass of systems, since the latter forms of non-matter energy still retain their mass through any such conversion.[1]
Today, conservation of “energy” refers to the conservation of the total system energy over time. This energy includes the energy associated with the rest mass of particles and all other forms of energy in the system. In addition, the invariant mass of systems of particles (the mass of the system as seen in its center of mass inertial frame, such as the frame in which it would need to be weighed) is also conserved over time for any single observer, and (unlike the total energy) is the same value for all observers. Therefore, in an isolated system, although matter (particles with rest mass) and "pure energy" (heat and light) can be converted to one another, both the total amount of energy and the total amount of mass of such systems remain constant over time, as seen by any single observer. If energy in any form is allowed to escape such systems (see binding energy), the mass of the system will decrease in correspondence with the loss.
A consequence of the law of energy conservation is that perpetual motion machines can only work perpetually if they deliver no energy to their surroundings.

reply to post by ArcAngel


Where would we be today if people simply obeyed what they were taught rather than thinking outside of the box so to speak. What if Columbus simply accepted that the world was flat? What if the Wright brothers simply accepted that flight was not possible? What if NASA accepted that traveling to the moon was impossible? History has taught us that time and time again that our understanding of physics can be, and has been, proven incorrect.

Your words are intended to scare people into keeping their ideas to themselves rather than letting people know them. It matters not if your idea works or not, if you do not let your thoughts be heard then you'll never know. There could be a million ideas like this one and maybe 999,999 don't work, but if none of those ideas are presented than that one that does work will never be heard.

Besides, think of the permanent magnet. No power input, yet there is a force exerted, does this not defy the law of conservation of energy?

Instead of spouting off about the law of conservation of energy why not tell me exactly why it is that you think the magnetic forces in this device will not oppose each other like any other magnet?

reply to post by Symbiot


Intelligence is lacking to understand even simple physics concepts.

I made a mistake posting here. Won't happen again I assure you.

reply to post by ArcAngel


I don't understand. I posted an idea which you then attacked without any backing evidence, then I defended my position and now you act as if you're some sort of hurt victim.

Originally posted by Symbiot
What if Columbus simply accepted that the world was flat?

What makes you think Columbus thought the world was flat?
www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov...

What if the Wright brothers simply accepted that flight was not possible?

What makes you think people thought flight was not possible?

What if NASA accepted that traveling to the moon was impossible?

Who thought travel to the moon was not possible?

Besides, think of the permanent magnet. No power input, yet there is a force exerted, does this not defy the law of conservation of energy?

No, you have no understanding of physics....

why not tell me exactly why it is that you think the magnetic forces in this device will not oppose each other like any other magnet?

If you think it works why not build one and have it properly tested.... Funny how no one is able to do just that, depite people claiming they have a working one for years!

reply to post by dereks


It's widely known that the general consensus at the time the Wright brothers took flight was that mankind was not 'meant' to be in the skies. In addition to that I actually said Columbus did NOT think the world was flat, I asked what would've happened if he did think that, you're manipulating my words poorly.

I asked about permanent magnets and how it is that they exert a force without having any power input and you simply said I have no understanding of physics. Well please enlighten me, how is it that a permanent magnet exerts a force without a power input?

You sound like you're NSA, what was the motto "deny everything and make counter accusations."

Originally posted by Symbiot
Well please enlighten me, how is it that a permanent magnet exerts a force without a power input?

How do you think a permanent magnet is made.... by magic? There is energy input to make one, so you have to consider that, they also lose their magnetism over time and with use.

reply to post by dereks


Don't believe they loose any energy over time, there was a power input when they were magnetized, but their output outlasts the input to an infinite degree.

Moreover perhaps you can explain the force of Gravity. Anything with mass exerts a force called gravity, how can something exert a force by simply having mass. There is no power input, it just exerts a force called gravity.

Additionally every atom exerts a force without any power input. The electromagnetic force, the strong force, the force of gravity and the weak force. There is no power input for the atom, yet they still exert these forces.

if the machine works, it works. F**k your physics.

Trial and error is all that matters, If I could set up a dozen of these little generators - charging batteries or something - run my house from the batteries, lets say the batteries fail & need replacing every 8 months, yet the whole thing still saves me 70% of my old energy bills in cash, sorry if you disagree but that is close enough to free energy for most of us....you can debate the word 'free' as much as you like but if the damned thing works, people will be popping off the grid like no tomorrow.

-B.M

Well it's nice to see that someone gets the idea. I agree whole heartedly, obviously. Charging batteries is actually the idea I had in mind with this device. I did use the term free in the title, but I think I elaborated and mentioned that it's actually just extremely cheap energy because there would likely need to be parts replacement from time to time. I'm not really sure why some people are so hell bent on discouraging these types of ideas. If we go through life never trying to accomplish what we think to be impossible then we'll never know for sure what is and what is not possible.

Originally posted by Symbiot
I'm not really sure why some people are so hell bent on discouraging these types of ideas. If we go through life never trying to accomplish what we think to be impossible then we'll never know for sure what is and what is not possible...

regarding alot of the people who are rude to others because we can't follow the technical jargon, lingo, etc of their education.

Well really whose failure is it? ours - a failure of understanding?
or theirs - a failure to dejargon something for the laymen?
I'll answer with another question, whats the point of knowing if you can't explain your knowledge to anyone?

It would feel like a complete chicken on a sinking boat full of headless chickens
& the complete chicken (janitor) explains to the headless captain what to do...
but without ears...the communication fails...

These people are disgruntled that they've spent so much of their lives learning something that threads like this suggest (to them) that they wasted that time on.

I believe its just disgruntled....ness.....

-B.M

Where would we be today if people simply obeyed what they were taught rather than thinking outside of the box so to speak.

Where would we be today if people believe in fairies, the make-believed, santa and any hoaxes? What if people didn't reject hoaxes and instead embraced them to 'think out side the box'? Why do people like me discourage projects like this? Because you're supposed to learn from history. They never work. They're always hoaxes. Magnets, electricity, and electromagnets are understood very well, arranging them in someway isn't going to make a magical device. People could instead focus their efforts on reality, and instead make the world a better place, instead of using their time to make hoaxes. This doesn't mean don't experiment, but maybe try to limit it to the actual unknown... not permanent magnets or other well known and thoroughly tested principles of physics.

So basically this is another case of snake oil sold to people who have no knowledge of science.

Here's the blog of the maker of the video: atr1337.xanga.com...

The generator I've devised does NOT violate any known laws of physics. The energy produced by the RailGen does not spontaneously appear as if from no where, it is generated near the Earth's core. The inner walls of the DC generator at the core of the RailGen are lined with a permanent magnet, this is what induces electricity in the coiled copper wire inside the generator, the video I created assumes a working knowledge of how a DC generator works in the first place. It might help to look at a permanent magnet like natures battery. When electricity is run around a metallic object that metallic object then becomes an electro magnet, when the electricity is removed the object remains as a permanent magnet, the strength of this magnet is determined by it's material and the amount of power that pulsed through it. The Earth's core is essentially a very powerful electro-magnet, the churning of the core generates massive amounts of electricity which in turn creates a massive magnetic field, the Earth's magnetic field. Metallic materials near the Earth's core have massive amounts of electricity pulsing through them, as material is cycled from the Earth's surface to it's core these metallic materials are pushed up to the Earth's crust where they can be retrieved by man. Since these materials had massive amounts of electricity pulsing through them when they were near the core they are now permanent magnets. So, as I mentioned, these magnets are essentially storing power generated in the Earth's core, like a battery.

atr1337.xanga.com...

So basically what the owner is saying is that the video he made is irrelevant. The energy is actually coming from the permanent magnets within the DC generator which is not explained within the video. This is completely incorrect because permanant magnets do not actually store huge amounts of energy. A generator works by moving something through a magnetic field, which then converts mechanical energy into electrical energy. So basically, the device is an electric motor paired to a generator, paired back to the electric motor. You would therefore need to manually start it by adding energy, and after that it would stop rather quickly because neither the electric motor or generator are 100% efficient. Energy will be lost as heat, sound, and so on.

I am not sure if the armature would work either but I can't be bothered figuring that out. I didn't even watch the vidoe before making my previous reply, now that I have I can see that my initial response was correct.

The generator turns itself using it's own electro magnetism.

Could you please explain how a generator would turn all by itself? This statement is baffling.

reply to post by B.Morrison


Very interesting point of view. I did at some point have the notion that people were afraid to believe that their beliefs were a waste of time, and I'm referring to the belief that over unity devices are impossible. Not that this is an over unity device.

Perhaps it's that old superhero theory. Something about viewing ones father as a superhero and refusing to believe that he can do any wrong. Similar deal, but perhaps in relation to respected teachers and such. That some people respect their former teachers and role models to such a degree they refuse to believe that said teachers could ever be wrong about something.