Translations of sumerian tablets online ! Finaly proof that the Anunnaki were aliens ?

Originally posted by spikey
If 'The entire field looks at Sitchin as a joke' that kind of explains why no 'serious researchers' as you put it, would be willing to risk their reputations, and probably more importantly, present and future research grants.

Yes, In the same way the entire field of geologists consider the idea the Earth was created in 4004BC a joke .... There really is no difference.

Originally posted by Harte

But Sitchin is the one that claims they are not. It is a cylinder seal with writing on it indicating a debt is owed that he uses to argue that the Sumerians knew the outer planets. If he really knew anything about it (and maybe he does,) then he must know that the constellation shown on the seal imprint is only an anciet version of what we today call a time/date stamp. It indicates what time of year the debt (or commemoration) was incurred.

If Sitchin does know this, then he's lying about the plantes. If he doesn't know this, then he knows nothing about any ancient Mesopotamian society.

Harte

Good point, I'm reminded of this thread from my old friend Marduk

If there's a Nibiru then there's a Scorpion Planet too

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by Rollo
UFO are not real...the spirit realm is real...stop pigeon holing this dimension with manipulations and distractions of the world

Oops, you must've somehow entered this dimension by accident? In this dimension, there's no proof of any kind of "spirit" or "soul", but there's been plenty evidences of UFO's and extraterrestrials.

Care to show us this "proof" that the "spirit realm" is real? Can't wait to see this.....

There is plenty of evidence for both.

Too many unretouched photos and videos, documents, physical traces and testimonies from high level officials who have nothing to gain and everything to lose by testifying.

Plenty of evidence from people like Pim Van Lommel, R. Moody, Morse, and Thomas Campbell (one of the original 'Monroe' physicists that worked on experiments with the out of body state in the 70s).

Just read the 'My Big TOE'(theory of everything) trilogy and you'll get a good scientific grasp on 'spirit' and non physical realities.

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LOL based on facts?

LOL Again!

Did you know that we are not all the same when it comes to the DNA? I believe there is a difference of 12% from what I read.
news.softpedia.com...

well it seems to me it is called genetic manipulation.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by css1981

 

The "interesting" part you posted offers no support for Sitchin's theory. Furthermore, if Sitchin's translations were right don't you think at least one serious researcher of Sumerian, including those who posted the tablets online, would have agreed with Sitchin at one point over the past 50 years. Instead, the entire field looks at Sitchin as a joke because his translations were so far off mark.

If you please, can you point out one of Sitchin's debunkers and their translation of the text? See, they just say he translated it wrong, but curiously, no one else, not one of his debunkers, have provided a translation. How can you say someone is incorrect without providing the correct information? If you have the correct translations of those tablets, please point them out along with the authors and their credentials.
Thanks!

reply to post by DaWhiz

Please pay attention
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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I also don't think that we have to call them 'gods'

But I think that it is verry normal that people used to call them gods a couple of thousand years ago.

reply to post by dragnet53

well it seems to me it is called genetic manipulation.

No it's called adaptation. You really need to read what you post.

The new data also shows that our species is so recent that the vast majority of CNVs, around 89 %, was found to be shared among the 269 people belonging to Mongoloid Race (Japanese and Chinese), African Negroid (Yoruba Nigerians) and Caucasoid (of Northern and Western European ancestry). But there are also widespread specific differences in CNVs according to the race and even inside the same race according to population (geographical origin). This means that over 200,000 years or so, natural selection favored subtle variants allowing different humans populations to adapt to their different environments, with specific climate, pathogens, and food resources.

news.softpedia.com...

You should do some research on exactly what CNVs are, but I know you won't.

reply to post by DaWhiz


Other than the translations provided in the OP of this topic, a quick search of Google Scholar turned up quite a few articles on Sumerian translations.

Google Scholar

reply to post by Xcalibur254


Are you bloody kidding, ayone knows that any self or career respecting scientist would greatly hold off on any kind of concurrence with hugely abstract theories of any kind. When I say Abstract, I meen greatly abstract from the status quo. Takl about a career killer, I would and can guaruntee that if you go into such fields that you may want to keep your position a pay grade. Unless potently obvious, no one with a self respecting or true career is going to side with the possibility of fiction. Now that said, there are sometimes a select few who are gems, needles in a haystack. Those individuals may revolutionise any science or study. They are far and few between though. Iften they make their living somewhere else then the area that they are gifted to bestow a revolution upon.

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Thank you for providing that link. I am also searching for more info..

Originally posted by css1981
reply to post by jganer

 

I also don't think that we have to call them 'gods'

But I think that it is verry normal that people used to call them gods a couple of thousand years ago.

You have hit on something with is crucial here. When the Pythons made "The Life of Brian", it wasn't the character that many Cristian scholars lost there rag about. it was portraying the people of Palestine as people are today. Cynical, belligerent, prone to hearing what they want, not what was said. This lies at the crux of the problem with archaeology in the past. There was pervading assumption that ancient people were somehow different to their modern counterparts. They weren't, they did fart jokes, they daubed sexually explicit graffiti over supposed scared sites and generally acted, exactly like we do.

Anyone who thinks another famous Python scene from the holy grail...*Just cos some watery tart chucks a sword at you from out of a lake etc", wasn't what many peasants thought is totally mistaken. Religious scholars love to paint this picture of everyone, in ancient times buying into the pervading belief system of the time. The truth is there were, probably, just as many people saying... Isis, what a load of old cobblers are there people think the same of religion today.

Whoever translates a passage or tale does so from the point of view of their own abiding belief system. The word heaven will mean one thing to one person something totally different to another. On a subconscious level, no matter how even handed a person claims to be this will taint their interpretation of the translation.

I saw some Professor the other day make a typical faux pas that went totally unchallenged. They were talking of the Norse tradition and they said Loki was the God of evil. This is totally and utterly wrong. Loki was the God of mischief and chaos but was seen as absolutely essential to the pantheon in a positive manner. Loki was the God who reminded humans and Gods alike, of their weaknesses, their fallibilities He was not seen as evil, he was seen as being fated to be the way he was. Loki only becomes evil through the retelling of the Nordic tales through a Christian filter. One should remember that when one reads any translation that talks about ancient religious beliefs. Often they are, probably, quoted totally out of context to the their true contemporary meanings.

reply to post by undo


Thank you undo, I will get to it sometime over this weekend.. and I appreciate you supplying this.

I always maintain that the Sumerian tales are the history of a clash of cultures

they do say that though that there is a hierarchy of 'Gods' and that they made humans to labor at things sheepherding raising crops building with bricks yaydaada
that the 'gods' were for some reason increasingly unable to do.

they have terrifying depictions of the underworld,and strange stories of goddesses giving birth in 9 days instead if nine months and they are weird and wonderful

The Hindu scriptures are the ones that are full of references to Space travel and space ships and wars of annihilation

but there is more to the Sumerian story and it doesn't come from Sitchin

reply to post by Tayesin


I would say Heiser is arrogant and egotistical, yes. He's also got an agenda (The Facade, which he shamelessly spams). He'll complain about others using deceitful tricks, explain exactly what they do, then procede to do the same thing.

Edit - To make it clear, I don't think either of them are right, but Sitchin is by far the nicer guy and definitely a lot more interesting.

reply to post by Lovemaster9000


i don't think he's arrogant and i don't think sitchin is a liar either. i think they both have relevant points to bring to the table and the truth is a mesh of what they are both saying.

this subject is like a tight rope walk. everyone approaches the topic from a particular position. some of those positions make more sense in the backdrop of the rest of the texts of the ancient world, and some require that you call most of the ancient world a myth. clearly all these areas have points that are relevant to the discussion, but we can't get along long enough to actually seriously consider any aspect of what the other is saying. as a result, the reality of what did or didn't transpire all those millenia ago, is buried in refusal to consider anything else, period.

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Thank you for explaining that.

reply to post by css1981

I have something I'd like to add here - the Anunnaki had bases around the world, but primarily in the Middle East - Lebanon, Israel, Egypt, Iraq - and in India and South Africa. There are many artifacts that still exist in Iraq but are not allowed to be seen, and the West has not had much access at all to these artifacts of the Anunnaki. It is my understanding that Saddam Hussein has hoarded many of these and kept many in private vaults under the ground. It is my hope that governments will encourage the Iraqi people who have access to these artifacts to bring them out and share them with the world. Much still lies beneath the sands and it would be fantastic for humanity to be able to uncover the past in this region. Ur, between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, was the birthplace of humanity in modern times on Plan-ET Earth, the Garden of Eden, and everyone is entitled to have safe access to it. Therein lies many geophysical keys to remembering who we all are. Please see the addendum to this article for a more complete explanation of how the war with Iraq is related to the Anunnaki, added April, 2003.)

Another interresting read about the anunnaki : www.vibrani.com...

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Funny thing that. The area the Anunaki are said to return to is now mostly under U.S. Military Control.. albeit with a resistance much like the North Vietnamese. And a t a time when some people think they are near due for a return visit.

That was one of the first weird thoughts to go through my head when reading well before the bombing even started that the U.S. had plans to be there at for least 8 years or more. Looks like the New York lawyer who wrote the report was on the ball back then.