Did the Gods of old really exist...new evidence suggest yes

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We need to create a thread where we share and debate of evidence in any field of aliens, religion and science.

i say this is connecting the dots
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Originally posted by shoulda taken the blue pi
If the grays did make us, how come the descriptions of the ETs interacting with the humans in Genesis have NO resemblance to the dead gray midget ETs everyone sees?
Maybe its a different race all together and the grays are new to the scene.
Lets not give credit without proof

Hum... been a while since I read the bible.. nasty control tool that it is... So I don't recall what it says the 'gods' look like. But it was the leadership of Jue-sah aka jews who wrote the bible, and if there is a discrepancy, chances are they probably were trying to set themselves up as the 'gods' and, as always, not give credit where credit is due; in this case, the greys.

UFO'S And Alien Abduction are Nothing New

Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noah, so also will be the coming of the Son of man. For as they were in the days before the flood...

Just what was going on in the "days before the flood"?

The B'nai Elohim saw the daughters of Adam, that they were fit extensions. And they took wives for themselves from all those that they chose...The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when the B'nai Elohim CAME IN TO the daughtersof Adam, and they bore to them -- they were Powerful Ones which existed from ancient times, the men of name. (from the Interlinear Hebrew Bible Genesis 6)



Baalhazor," Lord of the fortresses" provides a connection between Baal and the god of theAntichrist. Baal was lord of war and of the sky. Many titles were given to Baal by adding endings to his name. Some examples found in scripture are Baalbamoth= Lord of the high places, Baalzebub= Lord of those who fly,or, flit. Zebub is a Hebrew verb which means to flit from place to place.
Baalis identified as Satan by Jesus himself, Matt.10:25 Mark. 3:22 Luke 11:15.

The Antichrist will honor Satan, called Baal, Lord of Fortresses, Lord of the High Places , Lord of those who quickly fly (in the high places), Prince of the Power of the Air, and obviously Prince of the Power behind flying craft in the high places...ufos.


Incredibly, the Bible explains where Satan currently resides, and connects him with forces in the atmosphere. . . Paul says we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with principalities and powers, with wicked spirits in high places, literally, "in the heavens" "in the aerial regions" Eph.6:12. Hence Satan is called "the prince of the Power of the air" "the prince of the aerial host" Eph.2:2. The confederation of rebel angels is seated in the atmospheric heaven in the spaces above and around our world. This fundamental of scripture contradicts many traditional concepts of "hell" as the domain of the deviland his minions . King David recognized this fully when he wrote:

For who in the sky (the atmosphere),
shall be ranked with Jehovah,
who among the sons of the mighty
is like Jehovah? Psalm 89:6

While the New Testament uses the Greek word "demon" to refer to these "sons of the mighty", the Old Testament uses revealing descriptive names. Words which describe these beings, such as b'nai Elohim, "sons of God", Zophim, "the watchers", and Malakh, "messengers", (translated angel in English), are used for the "aerial host" often regardless of alignment. New Testament demons were understandably associated with evil, since originally the Greek term diamon meant "any deity", and the Bible consistently portrays only one God. There are three main terms for demons in the New Testament: daimonion (demon;60 times, 50 in the Gospels); pneuma (spirit; some 52 times) usually witha qualifying adjective such as akatharton (unclean; 21 times) or poneron (evil; 8 times); and angelos (7 times of demonic agencies). Daimon (demon), the term commonly used in classical Greek, appears only once (Mark 8:31) (Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology - Walter A. Elwell(Ed))

Scripture explains that Satan and his host of fallen angels rule over this planet, it also details a hierarchy of demonic echelons.

Jesus Christ explained to his apostles what events would immediately precede his second coming,"It shall be exactly as in the days before Noah entered the ark". Matt24:38 , Luke 17:27. What is the significance of this statement and how does it relate to Ufos? The Flood epic Gen. 6 begins with a strange accountof the "sons of God" (b'nai Elohim), taking wives from among the daughtersof Adam.


"In those days giants [nephilim] were in the earth, the men of renown of whom ancient tales are told".

The word which is translated, "giants", in the King James version of the Bible is, in Hebrew, "Nephilim", which means, "Those who fell, or ... the fallen ones". Jude, the brother of Jesus describes them as "angels, having left their first estate in heaven". These fallen angels came to earth for a serious purpose.

The "fallen ones" sought to merge with the bloodline of Adam, because of the promise to send a redeemer through Adam's kinsman. The Hebrew says that the Sons of God saw that the women were a fit "extension", for they sought to extend themselves into this realm from the spirit realm, as well as to extend themselves into the "children of the promise" the lineage of Adam. Satan tried to prevent the eventual birth, in the distant future, of the Messiah.


The mating of human beings with angels resulted in hybrid creatures, evil spirits with human bodies. The human \ angel hybrids began to corrupt and destroy the humanrace, resulting in the Deluge, "the end of all flesh" except Noah and his family.

Scripture uses other names to describe these degraded fallen angels and their descendents in addition to the word Nephilim, they are. . . .


Rephaim- from the root rapha= spirits, shades Gen. 14:5
Anakim - race of giants Num. 13:33 descendents of Nephilim
Emim- the proud deserters, terrors, race of giants Gen. 14:5
Zuzim- the evil ones,roaming things Gen. 14:5
Zamzummims- the evil plotters, Deut. 2:20
Zophim- watchers, angels who descended Num. 23, distinct from "holy watchers" aligned with God
Sepherim- the many. . . .

The book of theJubilees remarks that Jared or Yeh-red, an Old Testament patriarch, was so called because in his days the angels descended upon the earth - Yaw-rad"descend". It is interesting to note that "Jordan" comes from that same root word denoting "descent, coming down or falling" - Yar-dane"the place of the descent". Jordan, "place of the descent", is located in the ancient boundary of Israel. Israel is currently a major location for sightings,and the fallen angels in disguise as "aliens".

The Book of Enoch explains that the Sons of God descended first onto the mountain called Hermon which in Hebrew means desolation, in the land of Jordan the placeof the descent. The rebel angels intended to thwart God's plan for the earth by destroying the descendents of Adam. Satan's goal in organizing the nephilim / human hybridization program was to pollute the bloodline that would produce Jesus Christ, the Messiah, the Kinsman Redeemer. Now that it is so close to the end times, satan has orchestrated human/rebel angel interaction on a grand scale. The plan is now to prevent any flesh from being saved.

By manipulating human genetics, whether through the guise of "alien abduction" or by supplying willing mortal accomplices with the proper technology... there is currently being created humanoid hybrids who are not-quite-human. These gentically altered humans are no longer Sons of Adam, and no longer able to be saved by the Kinsman Redeemer. The second wave of hybrid "nephilim creation" is satan's last effort to destroy all Sons of Adam, so that none can be redeemed when Jesus Christ returns at the End of the Age.



2 Thes 2:9
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness ofunrighteousness in them thatperish;becausethey received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie ...

Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


We are told that the endtime delusion is so strong that it will deceive the whole earth into accepting the antichrist. This lie of the end times will even fool many who think they are now Christians. people will be seduced by The Lie when it is allowed to come on the earth in full force.


Even though the Bible is full of references to Extraterrestrials, the popular notion that Elijah was taken up in a UFO is false. Significantly, the accountof Elijah testing the prophets of Baal delineates the separation between the false gods, the many manifestations of the fallen angels on Earth, and the True God ELOHIM.
Elijah gathered the priests of the "baals" with the people of Israel, and proposed a challenge, a contest between God and gods:

"THIS DAY SHALL THE TRUE ELOHIM BE REVEALED."

1 Kings 18:24 And you shall call on the name of your god; and I
I will call on the name of Jehovah; and it shall be,
the god who answers by fire, he is the God.
18:38 And fire fell from Jehovah and burned up the burnt offering, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and the water that was in the trench was licked up by it. And all the people saw, and fell on their faces, and said

"Yehovah, He is THE ELOHIM!
Yehovah, He is THE ELOHIM!"
Deut. 6:4 Hear O Israel,
the Lord your God, the Lord is one.
Literally translated, Duet 6:4 declares, "Shema Israel, Yehovah Elohim, Yehovah echad!"
I AM Gods, I AM unified.


Clearly, the definition of the name "Elohim" signifies the one God who is the Father and the Son and the Spirit. This is why God is able to declare:
The testimony of two witnesses is true.
I AM that bear witness of myself, and the Father
who sent me bears witness of me. (John 8:17)




The Bible declares"At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall a matter be established".( Num. 35: 30; Deut. 17: 6, Matt. 27: 16). It is also interesting to note that it is the second person of the Trinity that is especially called "the faithful witness" (Rev. 1:5).

The fact that Elijah himself will take part in the first 3 &1/2 years ofthe tribulation as one of the witnesses of Rev.11 further demonstrates the prophetic nature of the historic challenge between Baal and God in 1Kings 18. In the end times Satan will counterfeit the miracle of fire falling from heaven to persuade the people of the world that Antichrist is God (Rev 13:13) with the help of the "fiery flying seraphim".

Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
Interesting thoughts, I do remember it saying in the bible that the end times will be just like the time before the flood. So back in those days they had knowledge over DNA and were able to manipulate and use it, such as what we are doing nowadays. I don't really have much to add, the thread just kind of reminded me of this point.

Yes, back in those days before God flooded the entire Earth (nevermind where he found all that water in the first place or how Moses managed to cram two of every species of animal onto his boat), they also had nuclear power plants, semiconductors, bioinformatics, lasers, intolerant Muslims, creationist Christians, and most importantly, toilet paper. What a great place it was indeed - before God came and ruined the party. Thanks a lot, God. >=[

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Ahh finally someone who knows the true Hebrew translation! instead of the Greek Septuagint!

Mike Hoggards videos "The mother of all secrets" and Chuck Missler's series on the 'Nephilim" are wonderful for learning about the Bene Ha Elohim! (Nephilim/Fallen Ones)

I would definitely start there for those of you who want to know the ultimate secret of Freemasonry/Nephilim

(Start at part 2 of "Mike Hoggards Mother of all secrets" - there are 9 parts in which he discusses DNA/Nephilim/Government and of course the ultimate secret everyone wants to know

reply to post by shoulda taken the blue pi


As we are dealing with a race of beings who like to tinker around with genetics and design new species, it is possible that the race of beings who created us also created the greys, later on down the line. The greys may be their worker race, carrying out their master's agenda and screening people from realizing who is really behind the activity. The greys activity would therefore be inextricably linked with the agenda of the *shining ones* described in many, many ancient texts. That race were pale skinned, blonde/white haired , described as having piercing eyes that were lumious and skin that was sort of incandescent. Sounds alot like the Nordics to me.....

It would be a clever ruse on the part of the main controlling faction, to make it look as though there was a separate , enemy group (greys) they could then come and *save* us from when all along this faction is serving THEIR agenda !

Originally posted by cosmicpixie
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As we are dealing with a race of beings who like to tinker around with genetics and design new species, it is possible that the race of beings who created us also created the greys, later on down the line. The greys may be their worker race, carrying out their master's agenda and screening people from realizing who is really behind the activity. The greys activity would therefore be inextricably linked with the agenda of the *shining ones* described in many, many ancient texts. That race were pale skinned, blonde/white haired , described as having piercing eyes that were lumious and skin that was sort of incandescent. Sounds alot like the Nordics to me.....

It would be a clever ruse on the part of the main controlling faction, to make it look as though there was a separate , enemy group (greys) they could then come and *save* us from when all along this faction is serving THEIR agenda !

Actually the greys are the ones who tinker around with genetics and design new species or 'refurbish' old species to be able to live on different worlds and such. They rose to sentience on a more personal level while in slavery to escape their abusive masters.

The Elves are probably those 'shining ones' being blond/white haired with blue and/or green eyes, and they were who we humans considered all the 'old' gods of europe to be. And they did from time to time hire the greys to create or enhance new species for them. They loved new and exotic species, especially if they were beautiful.. of course that is Elven defined 'beautiful'. We humans actually took on a lot of their values of what is beautiful or not though.

And yah, the NWO bunch aka ex-high priests of Israel aka originally the alien race called the Jue-sah (we mispronounce it and say Jews) so want us to run to them for 'protection' since it is their highest and most determined goal to enslave humanity, by hook or by crook if necessary. Trust me, of the aliens, the Jue-sah are some of the worst to be in slavery to. We'd be better off with the Indigo leadership or the Elves. Maybe not so much the tall skinny blue people, the Pleiadians, though.. they are nearly as bad as the Jue-sah.

How come nobody considers that the grays are the bad guys?
The stories I have read, they are not very nice. Seriously, why would a superior race have to do what they do. Nobody told them about MRIs for God's sake. Seriously.

Originally posted by shoulda taken the blue pi
How come nobody considers that the grays are the bad guys?
The stories I have read, they are not very nice. Seriously, why would a superior race have to do what they do. Nobody told them about MRIs for God's sake. Seriously.

Because they aren't bad. They just don't empathize very well with those not in their hive mind. Also since they tend to view us humans as their 'experiments' and more like lab rats, they don't take any care not to frighten us, so it may seem as if they are cruel. But the 'really bad evil alien' rap stuff is coming from the NWO bunch who are trying to scare us away from the greys so we don't find this stuff out and ask them for help.

And really, no race is our superior. True, we've been blinded and deafened to the spirit realm and our past lives because of the grey's experiment, but spirit to spirit, we are the equals of any other. While we are limited in some ways, we are superior in our ability to think in unusual and extremely creative ways. So if we get pissed off, we can come up with some of the most unorthodox methods to get even. WE actually scare a lot of the aliens out there. That's why our space exploration/going off world type programs never seem to get off the ground.

But in general, the greys are quite timid and tend to stay out of conflicts, remaining neutral if possible. I know that because I remember them from my days as a dragon rider. If they needed something from a world where the locals wouldn't cooperate, they'd hire us to go in and fight for them. They paid us in these huge grown slabs of boneless delicious meat. While a dragon can live on pure energy if it has to, we dragon riders needed to eat, and being 7+ foot velocirapter type beings, we ate a LOT. So we would fight for the greys whenever we could. Most of the worlds that the dragons knew about were pretty much hunted out, so we went hungry quite a bit.

so who hired them to scare the crap out of us and take samples
Tell the amphibians its not appreciated

Originally posted by shoulda taken the blue pi
so who hired them to scare the crap out of us and take samples
Tell the amphibians its not appreciated

They are being forced to do the NWO's bidding at times, and on the best of days, their faces aren't very expressive so the blankness which is so unreadable can be kind of frightening. And they do consider us a work in process still, and that is what the whole 'capture and examine' thing is all about. They want to see if and how we are mutating from the basic human they designed.

And actually the reptilians are an alien race that works for the NWO bunch. They aren't in charge, at all. They really aren't very smart, but I think even they are starting to figure out that the NWO is setting them up to appear like they are the top dogs so that they will take the fall when we humans figure out we've been manipulated and abused by an alien species all these many years. We aren't going to take kindly to that, and the NWO top dogs know it, so they are pushing the reptilians forward as cannon fodder, so to speak, while getting ready to bolt out the back door if things go bad.

And I don't talk to the reptilians that much. I pretty much hang out on the higher plane or in the racial unconscious. Most of the aliens who are here trying to influence and manipulate us hang out in the spirit realm which is sort of like the streets and ground of the spirit realm, and most of them don't go to the higher plane because they aren't 'clean' enough in their intentions, and they can't get into our racial unconscious 'building'. It is guarded by the overarching sentience of humanity and only humans can get in but even they must have higher intentions for the good of humankind.

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They were demi-gods, the Nephilim.

Genesis 6 details this. And was the primary reason for the flood.

OP, you'll enjoy this teaching by Dr. Chuck Missler:

Return of the Nephilim ~ Missler

EDIT: Sorry JJBB, just found you already linked the Missler series on the Nephilim, good call.

So according to the book of enoch, The worst of these, Azazel was imprisoned in the abyss in Dudiel. Doesn't revelation say the beast rises out of the abyss. If so, the aliens take over again. No landing, cause they are already here.

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
Gods? Have can there be more then one God out there. What about Jesus. People we have proof Jesus existed and he is living.

We do? We can we not see this proof? Do you have it on you? Please, be so kind as to prove Jesus is real, and alive here on Earth right now. Personally, I think you are full of it. And what do you think Jesus did, kill all of those other Gods, even the Mayan and Aztec Gods, and even the Great Mother of them all! Jesus killed them all? Can you show us the rock under which you keep all of the vast source of information?