Soldier Confesses To Killing Innocent Afghan Man(Video)

reply to post by Nephi1337


I have seen war you moron.... I am USAF JTAC and I have seen PLENTY of combat.... I told you why we are in Afghanistan and WE ARE NOT ATTACKING CIVILIANS........ WE ARE ATTACKING THOSE THAT ATTACK US. WHICH MAKE THEM INSURGENTS NOT CIVILIANS, ONCE THEY ATTACK US THEY ARE A COMBATANT AND NO LONGER CIVILIAN..... You are apart of the problem, spreading lies and disinformation.... just STFU and stop actling like you know WTF you are talking about.

Originally posted by Reign02
reply to post by Nephi1337

 

I have seen war you moron.... I am USAF JTAC and I have seen PLENTY of combat.... I told you why we are in Afghanistan and WE ARE NOT ATTACKING CIVILIANS........ WE ARE ATTACKING THOSE THAT ATTACK US. WHICH MAKE THEM INSURGENTS NOT CIVILIANS, ONCE THEY ATTACK US THEY ARE A COMBATANT AND NO LONGER CIVILIAN..... You are apart of the problem, spreading lies and disinformation.... just STFU and stop actling like you know WTF you are talking about.

really ,so i guess the video does not prove we are attacking civilians ?, we put our selfs in Afghanistan did we not ? so once more your trying to justify a pointless war ,and i really think you have no idea what your talking about , and your insults towards me do not effect me ,but please lets keep it civil

reply to post by Nephi1337


A civilian has to be told the point of a war and that is extremely hard to do. Finding a point in this paticular war is harder then any other in history. We are not in conflict with another country, our enemies don't wear uniforms, they look and dress exactly like a non combatent walking down the street and they are able to befriend soldiers that they see every day and gain a level of trust.

I can't even begin to tell even fellow soldiers who have never been what the point of this war is. Someone with a better way with words might be able to write a book that can explain it. But for right now it is something you have to live to really understand it.

We aren't openly attacking civilians you idiot.... These are a FEW key word being FEW incidents where civilians got killed because some ARMY or Marines are being morons. Stop thinking just because a few things happen that we are openly killing civilians, you are ignorant and very stupid for believing this..... You aren't there and you don't know anything..... You post yahoo.com news stories about ISOLATED INCIDENTS not things that OCCUR EVERYDAY but ISOLATED INCIDENTS and make up lies that we do this everyday and it's a normal occurance......

Sorry for the CAPS but I really don't think people get what I'm saying because EVERYONE on this stupid site believes the same BS stories about the military about how we are so evil and brainwashed. YOU PEOPLE ARE BRAINWASHED BY YOUR OWN STUPIDITY. God you people always leave me shaking my head in all the ignorance that YOU HAVE......

reply to post by Becoming


I liked your post but it's a shame people will read it but not digest the information unless they are on your side.

reply to post by Reign02


Maybe you should read and digest my earlier post to you.

Originally posted by Reign02
We aren't openly attacking civilians you idiot....

who is we ? who are you speaking for ? , are you over their now ? i posted proof do you have proof ?

These are a FEW key word being FEW incidents where civilians got killed because some ARMY or Marines are being morons. Stop thinking just because a few things happen that we are openly killing civilians, you are ignorant and very stupid for believing this..... You aren't there and you don't know anything..... You post yahoo.com news stories about ISOLATED INCIDENTS not things that OCCUR EVERYDAY but ISOLATED INCIDENTS and make up lies that we do this everyday and it's a normal occurance......

a few thousand is an alot of isolated incidents www.iraqbodycount.org... , i understand collateral damage witch might be the case most of the time ,but i keep finding more and more info on your "Army ,Marines Morons " joy killing , how about the video i posted on the slaughter of innocent reporters ? was that not the Chair force that did that ? , and when did i post yahoo news? as i recall it was an army intelligence personal that leaked the video so what does this tell you ? that their are far more isolated incidents being covered ?

Sorry for the CAPS but I really don't think people get what I'm saying because EVERYONE on this stupid site believes the same BS stories about the military about how we are so evil and brainwashed. YOU PEOPLE ARE BRAINWASHED BY YOUR OWN STUPIDITY. God you people always leave me shaking my head in all the ignorance that YOU HAVE......

so because people choose to believe facts they are morons and stupid ? you have yet to prove anything here , i have produced what do you have to show other then fables ? once more please re frame from personal insults

many thanks
Nephi

reply to post by Nephi1337


I don't agree with most of your post, but it is your opinion and you are welcomed to it.

There is one thing you wrote that needs clarification.

Chair Force is a term designated to soldiers who milk injuries, another variation is chairborne ranger.

Just thought I would point that out. One thing I can say for the air force is that they have the best looking women and as for the men............they don't exactly have lumber jack testostrone levels.

Its a horrible incident for sure, but to try and use this incident to make generalizations about the military is irresponsible and wrong. I believe most soldiers are good, honorable Americans that are trying to make the best out of the situation they are in. For every terrible incident like this that happens, I'm sure there are a 100 other incidents that show our country's charity and humanitarian spirit that aren't headlines.

Thanks for your service Reign02.

reply to post by Becoming


my i ask what do you not agree with ? let me first say my point of view is simple

i dont agree with the war , i think the the U.S military is far more superior then that of the militants , we have never been given a strait answer as to why we are their , alot of innocent people have lost their lives due to careless action , i have had the honor of joining many counseling sessions with other vets who's storys are remarkable ,things you do not hear in the media , i respect and honor the troops i do not respect the cause , and when a solider comes home with remorse for what he has done i honor that to the highest , my point is simple value all things living .. but because i choose to challenge war and killing i get a reaction that is pure evil , you having been part of this your self would know better then i and i do not wish to contend that , i am just simply very thankful that i have a good understanding of the man behind the mast if you will . also i would like and intelligent conversation on how people feel about this ,but it never seems to turn out this way on ATS

many thanks my good man ,and i am very sorry for any misunderstanding

Nephi

reply to post by Black Moclips


my goal was not to turn this into that ,however we cannot ignore it , it is not until years later that iraq and any other county that will invade will come to light . i simply want people to understand how many innocent people are dieing at the hands of careless soldiers i understand their is collateral damage and that they my not know who is friend from foe ,but the point is that we are invading other country's based on lies and people are dieing because of it !! and its ok because they are terrorist? the war has shifted to much ,and ill tell you how ! it went from chasing a shadow to people defending their land and home , and sadly the afgan people use religion to give them the will to fight , their has been many twists and turns in this never ending war ,their is no truth to it ...and people will continue to die .....but ill continue to stand up for life

Nephi

reply to post by Nephi1337


Its easy.

I agree with the war, I understand why some soldiers enjoy killing the enemy and I also understand that out of the hundreds of thousands of soldiers that have been to war there are a few that commit war crimes. After all that is part of war.

Soldiers throughout history during war has commited war crimes. There is no excuse for it, but it is part of war. I don't think it is responsible to look at certain soldiers who do these things and point to it as an example that this is the type of war being fought.

What people ignore is the fact that we are now fighting an enemy that isn't bound by rules. For example, it is against international law to us landmines. The reason for this is that landmines aren't controlled and they kill without knowing if it is civilians or soldiers that are being blown up. Know the insurgents we fight plant IEDs which is essentially a low tech landmine. And you can see the reasoning behind outawing such weapons. The insurgents kill more civilians then soldiers when they explode.

We are bound by laws of warfare that, for all intents and purposes, has us guilty of crimes each time we fire a weapon. For example. I was involved in a little scrape when we was out on patrol. We was moving along a crowded street when out of nowhere 5 insurgents opened fire on us. We pretty much walked into a small ambush on a crowded street. We hunkered down trying to wait until the street cleared before returning fire. After 3 buddies of mine went down we were told to open suppresent fire.

Long story short we got the 5 who ambushed us (never determined if there was more) and I was busy the rest of the day trying to save my buddies lives (they survived), the insurgents lives(they all died and not because of poor treatment) and unfortunately the lives of 7(all but one survived) civilians who got caught in the crossfire. It was later determined that 3 of the civilians was hit by our return fire and sadly we lost 1 of them.

We are involved in a war that is differant from any other war and the civilian public cannot grasp this concept because they are not seeing first hand. They only have past wars to compare this too and it is like comparing apples and oranges.

Thats about the best answer you are going to get from me on the matter. I don't generally debate the war or try to change peoples view of it. I have a job to do, I do it and I don't seek approval from anyone that doubts why we do what we do.

When people see me in uniform and thank me for my service I tell them the same thing. I have a job to do, I do it and I don't seek approval from anyone.

reply to post by Becoming


i understand what your saying ,and i agree with some points ,but may i ask you did you have a choice to join? was it free will that led you to go and join? now days it seems propaganda plays a big part in peoples decisions to go and fight , i know first hand i was almost part of that propaganda ,i was very close to joining my self after 9/11 but i really had to sit and think about it ,and i am glad i did ...on the other hand people that we are fighting agenst are forced to fight to protect their land and home . i have thought about the big picture ,and yes past wars serve as a reminder of the reality of war ...i guess what i am trying to say is that ...... we are their you were their you chose to be their the US choose to be their ,and now we justify it in any way we can ...if my mind were ever to be change on this issue i would have to see proof of why we were their in the first place

many thanks

Nephi

reply to post by Nephi1337


I chose to join during the Clinton administration.

I reenlisted once before the he left office, twice during the Bush administration and will be doing so again in a few months. Part of the conditions I am working on for my next enlistment is a garunteed spot for another rotation to the sandbox.

As for the rest of your post, I explained as much as I'm going to about this war. You either are for it or against it. My job isn't justify it.

reply to post by Becoming


so then i see your point of view , and its a bit unnerving to say the least ,so your full aware of your actions ,and you have the ability to understand that ,but you have the nerve to say other soldiers are brain washed ? i think a person like your self is more dangerous for your eyes have been opend and yet you still think its ok to go and kill ? at least the brain washed soldiers dont know what they have done yet .....

reply to post by Nephi1337


1. I never said anyone was brainwashed. Besides that fellow who said all soldiers was brainwashed and I was being sarcastic.

2. I have never killed anyone, that I'm aware of, I'm a medic. I'm to busy patching people up (including the enemy) to worry about shooting at those who are shooting at me. I think I might have fired in battle 3 times and that was only 2 or 3 shots. It would be kind of a waste of my time to shoot someone then run over to them to see if I could save them.

3. This is the reason why I don't debate the war. When someone against it realizes another agrees with it they go from being friendly to being hostile.

reply to post by Becoming


than my words stand strong when i said i am thankful that you understand the value of life , and that was going to be my M.O.S i wanted to be a medic ,i figured i wanted to save lives not take them , and that is one of the only jobs in the military that does not feed the machine , you of all people sould know , about war and what it does ,

anyway i am sorry for any misunderstandings and like i said i am not agenst the solider i am agnest the war and killing on innocent people

many thanks

Nephi

reply to post by Nephi1337


No apology needed, I have came across people like you before, If I had said I was in the infantry your attitude would be completely differant and I don't have time for that.

Originally posted by Reign02
reply to post by Nephi1337

 

People handle violence and killing differently than others. Sounds like the people you know were some softies. I have seen some gross stuff and yea I have a little PTSD but I am far from jacked in the head.

Are you saying that people who suffer from PTSD are "soft"?

To the OP, this sort of thing doesn't surprise me. Growing up in Japan I was hearing about girls, some only as old as 14, being raped by Marines off of Kadena on a regular basis. When I was enlisted I know of instances were women were gang-raped by service members in the PI. A few years after that and I'm being told about embedded journalists being killed and left out in the sandbox because the squad was afraid of what that person might report.

I think we have these problems because these men are not intended for nation building. They are intended to kill. That's what they train to do, that's what they live to do. It's like dogs that can't hunt or herd, they lose their minds if their skills aren't used. It's like training for that big fight on Friday but it keeps getting canceled. If you go to college for 12 years to be a doctor you are going to be pretty frustrated when you are working as a day laborer.

I don't mean to excuse their behavior, I just mean to point out that it is difficult training to do something every day for years only to never be allowed to use it in conflict that you don't even understand in the first place. That takes a toll.

reply to post by Becoming


my good man it does not matter what job you held period ,its weather or not you understand ,

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