Soldier Confesses To Killing Innocent Afghan Man(Video)

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first mods pleas do not delete my thread , i do not know how to ebbed videos , the liveleaks link page does not contain anything that violates T & C ,but i had a thread removed the other day cause a mod felt that the liveleaks website was not fit for ats ,with that said i am sorry for any wrong doing here if their is any ,

ok Now as far as this video goes ,i am not sure what to think ,i understand that the killing of innocent people is wrong its so very wrong , war in its self is evil ,but on the other hand we train these men to kill , and some of these men i think are brain washed very easily , i am torn because i feel bad for the people that were murdered but i also wonder if the men who committed this evil act were even in the right state of mind

some thoughts on this would be great

thank you all

Nephi
www.liveleak.com...

People do stupid things even in a warzone. Not everyone can handle the things that we see while deployed. Some people just snap and kill people at random and some kill themselves. It's a warzone and stuff like this happens every once and awhile. Some people just lose their grip on reality and can't handle it. It's sad but true. And we in the military ARE NOT easily brainwashed.... so stop saying that we are..... I don't know why you all think that.... If anything our lack of TV and internet makes us less brainwashed than all of you that are poisoned by the media and internet every single day.

Now I can't wait to see how many people come to this thread bashing US military for being in Afghanistan and Iraq and talk about how many innocent people we kill everyday and how we are all just crusing around these countries killing anyone and everything....

How come your threads are ALWAYS about the US military and the atrocities of war? Here is what I am going to do. I'm going to do some research and create threads of all the good we do in these countries, rebuild roads, schools, provide aid and medical. If there was a percentage of good and bad things that happen involving the US in Iraq/Afghanistan this would be it: Good 98% Bad 2%

reply to post by Nephi1337

From what I can ascertain the unit had a complete psycopath for a Seargent who was very intimidating and coaxed fellow soldiers into attrocities because they were scared of him,nice guy collects human fingers as trophies war never changes although it was ears in Vietnam.

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yep that is right on point

I cannot speak for anyone but myself, so I will be honest and give my opinion in the best way that I can.

These are not isolated incidents. These are people that signed up for war. I don't understand where people that do understand that there might come a time where you will have to take a life. That's a part of war and always has been.

There has to be a winner and there has to be a loser.

With that said, these are soldiers that are taking lives without remorse, and with great contentment. There is not now and not ever a time where its ok to kill for no reason. Fearing your commander is something that you take up with a higher authority, you do not whimper and give in.

Women, children, and men are being slaughtered at the hands of those who have no feelings for anyone. I don't care if you get a purple heart, and save 10 of your men. You kill one man with contentment, then you are not a hero.

Yeah, maybe you go home, and tell a bunch of friends about what you did, and you will get a high five, but was it worth another persons life?

We are not the judges of men, we are men ourselves, and until we learn to at least respect one another this will be the ultimate desolation of our planet and ourselves. You think that years from now, those guys will except praise from friends?

Or they will resent themselves for placing blame on others for their own actions. Do you think that people are making to much of this? Well, IMO I don't think that its discussed enough. When was being in the service about being a coward, hiding behind a command that you know is wrong.

This is more of a disgrace to those who choose not to kill for fun. Who do help to rebuild, and I feel bad for them, because some of this will rub off on them when this catastrophe finally comes to an end. We cannot baby, and allow excuses for grown men, who make claims of the "follower the leader" mentality, or the hive mind.

If and when all of this gets revealed, do you think that the wives and parents of these guys will see them the same? Of murdering? taking the lives of children. This will forever taint the Armed Forces, and those that uphold what strength, kindness, and heart really mean.

Peace, NRE.

these ARE isolated incidents.... They don't happen on a daily basis... But I will tell you what DOES happen on a daily basis. Terrorists/insurgents launching mortars/rockets onto our installations trying to kill as many people as possible.

When I was at Balad, Iraq aka JBB we got mortared and rocketed EVERY single day I was there. Anywhere from 2-10 rockets/mortars a day. Do you think they cared about who was killed?

Or what about insurgents taking Americans hostage and filming them cut off our heads and posting it on the internet?

Or insurgents blowing themselves up killing lots of their own people just to kill a couple soldiers?

Or when they strap bombs to kids and send them to Americans that are passing out water and medical supplies at a local village or market?

When I was in JBB we detained someone that we caught RED handed launching rockets at our base and his mortar round detonated in the bottom of the mortar tube and blew off half of his leg. What did we do? Well honestly we should have let him bleed out. But we didn't, we applied first aid and wrapped him up and took him on to our installation in Iraq and took him to the hospital where American military doctors patched him up. They nursed him back to health and then we walked him out our pedistrian ECP (entry control point) and let him go.

So this is where all of you are wrong, telling people about all the atrocities that we commit when the enemy commits more horrific ones EVERYDAY. You people are so quick to judge us but not the people that want to kill us and kill your whole family.... Shame on you!!!!!!! We do a lot more good than we do harm in these countries and if you have never been there then YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!!! Just like I have no idea what India is like, or the conflict between Israel and Palestine is like. I have not expierienced it first hand and all I have seen is what is on the NEWS and what is on the internet. You say that we are brainwashed when in fact you are the ones that get brainwashed from other peoples random stuff that gets put on the internet. Don't try talking about something that you don't know and have never expierienced and act like you know.

There is a difference between killing a guy with a gun, and killing a man in a store, or driving by. That's the difference. We could go on and on about all the different incidents that have happened since this war began, and we can choose which one, either Afghanistan, or Iraq, and still the numbers don't add up.

I am not trying to offend you, but I will stand up for the facts that have been presented, yes, you can blame faulty information for the reason why troops are there, but you cannot excuse the actions of soldiers against innocent civilians.

That's where I see the problem lies. There is a difference. Could you imagine the uproar of Americans if this was happening to us?

I know people that have been to Iraq, and some have come back, not to right in the head, but didn't kill innocent people, and of course there's those that I no longer speak with that told me how they beat them, and while I walked away, people were congratulating them on a job well done.

Well done for who, your ego? The videos that are surfacing are not those of American soldiers killing insurgents, but of American soldiers killing innocent bystander, because believe it or not, if they weren't innocent they wouldn't be facing charges.

The question you should be asking is why is the MSM choosing to post these videos to the world. The troops in fact may have been used for the biggest lie told and executed in American history, but what do you think people will remember?

Peace, NRE.

and you like everyone else on this site looks right over my points and continue to talk about whatever they feel. Yet you like all the others are failing to see how they too kill innocent civilians. We kill a lot less innocents than they do. Our Rules of Engagement in Iraq/Afghanistan are not to fire unless fired upon. And 99% of us live by that. People like this get charged with manslaughter or murder and do go to jail for their crimes. You cannot say all US military do this and are like this. That would be like me saying since a puerto rican raped and killed a little kid that all puerto ricans are rapers and killers... How come it's NEVER what they do to us EVERYDAY and it's always random isolated incidents that we do to them that makes all the news......

reply to post by Reign02

How come your threads are ALWAYS about the US military and the atrocities of war? Here is what I am going to do. I'm going to do some research and create threads of all the good we do in these countries, rebuild roads, schools, provide aid and medical. If there was a percentage of good and bad things that happen involving the US in Iraq/Afghanistan this would be it: Good 98% Bad 2%

Mate, I try not to bash soldiers because they are brainwashed..
Its pumped into them from day one, kill the terrorists..
They are also spending more time in warzones nowadays due to the US spreading itself so thin...

Rebuilding and aid is great but please do some research..
Most of the rebuilding and aid money goes missing.

And, compared to the amount we spend destroying these places, the aid and rebuilding is pitifull...

Atrocities happen in every war..As long as the culprit is caught by his fellow soldiers and punished as any other person would be, then it should be accepted..Every occupation has its bad apples..
The military is no different and probably worse in the instance because, what job suits a killer better than the military?

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this is how i feel i could not have said it any better my self ,thank you so much for the reply my good man

Originally posted by Reign02
we in the military ARE NOT easily brainwashed.... so stop saying that we are..... I don't know why you all think that.... If anything our lack of TV and internet makes us less brainwashed than all of you that are poisoned by the media and internet every single day.

who is we?, and thanks for just proving my point

Now I can't wait to see how many people come to this thread bashing US military for being in Afghanistan and Iraq and talk about how many innocent people we kill everyday and how we are all just crusing around these countries killing anyone and everything....

can you tell me why we are in Afghanistan ?

How come your threads are ALWAYS about the US military and the atrocities of war? Here is what I am going to do. I'm going to do some research and create threads of all the good we do in these countries, rebuild roads, schools, provide aid and medical. If there was a percentage of good and bad things that happen involving the US in Iraq/Afghanistan this would be it: Good 98% Bad 2%

please do cause i would like to see "all the good we do" how do you expect people to react when they are fed lies ,and my threads show truth ,that you always try to justify ,sad thing is is that i have talk to many many soldiers in a class that my brother attends because he is so messed up from the war, and thees people were all like you at one point ,no worries brother when you see your fair share of blood shed its only then that you will change

Nephi

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We as in the US military......

We are in Afghanistan because it was believed that osama was hiding out there and we are taking out terrorist groups that rule that region for enabling him and supplying him.

I have seen my fair share of bloodshed kid. I have also passed out food and water to local villages and helped provide security while sailors were rebuilding schools and roads. And I did this volunteer work on my days off. So I am telling the truth, I have seen it with my own eyes, and you have not seen anything but what you see on the internet which is propaganda.... So please stop acting like you know what is going on.... People handle violence and killing differently than others. Sounds like the people you know were some softies. I have seen some gross stuff and yea I have a little PTSD but I am far from jacked in the head. So stop ranting and posting anti-US military threads because these little punks on here might believe you but no one in the real world does. For Christ's sake you just joined the site this year and you went and got a big ol alien tat with ATS written on it..... That about sums up you and your "truth" Get a life.

Originally posted by Reign02
reply to post by Nephi1337

 

We as in the US military......

We are in Afghanistan because it was believed that osama was hiding out there and we are taking out terrorist groups that rule that region for enabling him and supplying him.

so guess that means everyone that lives in Afghanistan is supplying 'HIM', let me ask you this , if we cant find him then how do we know hes in Afghanistan ? but you said it your self it was believed that he was handing out ,i guess that's a good enough reason to go kill people that are protecting their home land right ?

truth is is that you dont even know why we are their do you ? ,so ill ask you again why are we their ?

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lmfao!!! bro i am going to sit back and let you hang your self here ,but please try and at least remain civil here "KID" i will state again ,you have not seen war ! you put people down saying they are soft ? these people are men some of the finest i have ever met , go watch a band of brothers and tell me the men in that movie are soft , every one of them shed tears after telling their storys about the war because they know its wrong what they did , you just have yet to learn the value of human life , whoooooorahhhh brother !

sad ,really sad

Originally posted by Cmajor
reply to post by Reign02

 

How come your threads are ALWAYS about the US military and the atrocities of war? Here is what I am going to do. I'm going to do some research and create threads of all the good we do in these countries, rebuild roads, schools, provide aid and medical. If there was a percentage of good and bad things that happen involving the US in Iraq/Afghanistan this would be it: Good 98% Bad 2%

Mate, I try not to bash soldiers because they are brainwashed..
Its pumped into them from day one, kill the terrorists..
They are also spending more time in warzones nowadays due to the US spreading itself so thin...

Rebuilding and aid is great but please do some research..
Most of the rebuilding and aid money goes missing.

And, compared to the amount we spend destroying these places, the aid and rebuilding is pitifull...

Atrocities happen in every war..As long as the culprit is caught by his fellow soldiers and punished as any other person would be, then it should be accepted..Every occupation has its bad apples..
The military is no different and probably worse in the instance because, what job suits a killer better than the military?

Mate, I am a soldier and have been for the past 15 years and I have to tell you I think you are the one brainwashed. If you believe that I am brainwashed then please give me your reasons. I will read them and destroy them in 2 maybe 3 paragraphs. Make sure you include your bit up there about killing terroists.

reply to post by Becoming


you my friend are a real solider , i am glad to see you have an understanding compassion for human life

thank my good man thank you

reply to post by Reign02


Calling anyone who suffers from extreme PTSD softies is uncalled for. If you was a soldier who has seen war like you say you have, you would not be so callous. You calling that other poster kid makes you sound like a bad vietnam war film.

From your callous behavior toward war vets and your bad dialogue I am questioning whether you are or ever have been in the military. In or not, do all of us who are in and not stupid a favor and stop talking.

reply to post by Nephi1337


Thank you, but I don't see how you got that from the post you responded to.

reply to post by Becoming



you said you were a solider for 15 years , and judging from your other posts ,i see you have a good understanding of what war is about ,so naturally i would hope that you value human life ,am i wrong ?

thank you and sorry for any misunderstanding

Nephi

reply to post by Nephi1337


You answered my question.

You have read my other posts, I was confused for a moment.