UFO over Australia -- 17-09-2010

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy


Well, i wouldn't know the first thing about digital recorders being a sound engineer. I mean none of the multitude I've ever used have software glitches even though they cost 100x what that little phone did. The end sound is wholly commensurate with the sound of a mic being turned off. It is perfectly possible to mute the sound and for the software to delay the order to the camera for a couple of seconds. In fact, professional recording gear usually has what's called delay compensation built in. I doubt a cheap phone does, though not impossible.

So let me understand this. You are saying that. The guy went to all the hassle of stripping the audio out but missed the first 1 second? Would you like to enlighten me as to exactly how you do that? The audio comes as is, you either remove it all or you leave it all. To suggest the guy went to all the trouble of faking it that well and then screwing it up that obviously, seems little far fetched to me.

If you put your finger over a microphone it makes a very obvious noise. After all, all the mic is is a tiny wire that is suspended and converts vibrations into an electrical signal. The bane of sound engineers lives are people who think tapping a mic is clever. it isn't it can break them.

As yet, i see no reason not to accept the guy's explanation for what happened. That could change however for now, his explanation, despite what you might claim, is perfectly possible.

reply to post by askbaby


There appears to be plenty of problems associated with recorded videos and this phone.

www.mylgcookie.com...
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For all we know the shooter may actually have audio on the original video and it's just being corrupted in the transfer/conversion process

There is no shortage of firmware available for this phone. Three of which are specific to Australia. No changelog is available for the various patches so who knows what they have changed.

www.lg-phones.org...


Here is a video of related content shot with that specific phone model.

st.gsmarena.com...

Dead ringer?



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How hard would it be to determine the takeoff path in that area? I'm the biggest believer in ET's but this doesn't smell right to me.

if you upgrade to v10d it solves some bugs, such as sudden restarts and lagging sound in videos.

From... www.mylgcookie.com...

Which could easily include a lag with the mute working properly.

reply to post by FireMoon


I am absolutely sure that you can not mute the phone while recording. The only way to mute the phone is through the video options interface, and that interface is disabled when you hit record. The button completely disappears and is not accessible. Also, I don't see why there would be any delay. There is no reason for the microprocessor to take so long in disabling the microphone input the instant the mute setting is chosen.

Just for kicks, I asked the question in the "lg-cookie.com" forum.

www.lg-cookie.com...

I haven't got an answer yet, and I don't know when I will, but we should know for sure soon enough.

As for the reasons behind only having 2 seconds of sound.. Your guess is as good as mine, but it seems very fishy. I can think of many "excuses" like the video owner can too.

All I know is, most hoaxers are not very bright.

I did some research on that date and the RAAF - gues what, then next day is the RAAF Williamstown Airshow where what will be flying, the F-18 and....F-111.

However, having worked on Airbases for 13 years, I have never heard of a jet taking off for peacetime sorties at 5am with full after burners. There would be an uproar. We had to stop afterburner takeoffs and couldnt practice for airshows during school hours, so we did one at 8am, one at lunch time and a final one in the pm.

Also, with cloud cover that low you wouldnt practice for an airshow anyway cos noone would see it.

www.illawarramercury.com.au...

The airforce has done a dump and burn at nowra but in 2008 and during the day.

I dont know what this is but I cannot imagine its mlitary or a helo, the military just dont fly at 5am, tends to annoy the locals.

Oh I almost forgot, a military airshow would potentially cause some ET interest especially with the New Super Hornet flying.

Originally posted by MisterBurns
I did some research on that date and the RAAF - gues what, then next day is the RAAF Williamstown Airshow where what will be flying, the F-18 and....F-111.

Yup, I just found that out too... It's all I really needed to know honestly.

The more videos I see of the F-111 afterburner, the more I see how it is completely identical to the OP's video.

As of now, I don't trust the video creator. I wouldn't even trust the time of day he claims it was filmed at. If it was a jet, he had to of heard the rumble, and that is why he decided to mute the sound. Seems more and more like a hoax to me.

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy


Well you obviously don't understand how the mics work on a phone. They are either Mems or electret mics. That means they require a tiny power supply. I would assume, though not sure, for battery saving reasons the mic is powered down until the phone is actively used, ie opened or any other command sent. This would activate the tiny power supply in the phone and make the mic live. The sound on the video sounds exactly the same as power mic being closed off. The snick sound at 1 second, is wholly commensurate with the mic being turned off.

We don't know for sure but I am assuming the guy hit the mute as he was checking what the setting for the quality of video he was about to shoot, in the menu.

I've edited the file down and left some of the muted part after the opening part to show the difference. If there was a hand over the mic there would still be ambient sound and it would be easily apparent given the huge boost i have applied to the volume envelope of the file. The click slightly before one second sounds to my ears like a powered mic , either electret or Mems, being turned off. Given that can only done via software, the guy's excuse could be perfectly valid.

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reply to post by MisterBurns


What's more over 30 seconds of afterburn at 5 am over residential area at less than 5000 ft? But hey, don't let logic come between a debunker and their beliefs.

Just downloaded some data on the weather that day to see if it adds or detracts, I dont know what the first two say but the last one shows sunrise today is at 0530 - being as though we are heading towards earlier rises it is justifyable that the time is 5am (of course it could be any hours of darkness but if sunrise was at 0430 then it would be another dubious ommission.

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Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy

Originally posted by MisterBurns


The more videos I see of the F-111 afterburner, the more I see how it is completely identical to the OP's video.

actually this video the plane even comes in and leaves in a similar angle. good call

www.youtube.com...

edit on 9/29/2010 by homeskillet because: (no reason given)

edit on 9/29/2010 by homeskillet because: added link because i dont know how to get the vid to work

reply to post by FireMoon


Yeah, thats a helluva fuel dump, 30 seconds, at around 250 knots, dumping fuel in low cloud over a residnetial area with full afterburner at 5am......oh..and for the pleasure it seems of just one painter on his way to work. Surely if you were going to pull a career ending more such as that you would want your mates to film it for properity!!

Originally posted by FireMoon
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy

 

Well you obviously don't understand how the mics work on a phone.

Obviously? Obviously you don't know anything about me. I am an electrical engineer and computer programmer. I know a whole lot about microphones, they are the most simple input devices in the world to understand and build.

Originally posted by FireMoon
They are either Mems or electret mics. That means they require a tiny power supply.

Mostly all cellphones use electret microphones.

Originally posted by FireMoon
I would assume, though not sure, for battery saving reasons the mic is powered down until the phone is actively used, ie opened or any other command sent.
This would activate the tiny power supply in the phone and make the mic live. The sound on the video sounds exactly the same as power mic being closed off.

So you can tell the difference between a microphone being turned off, and an audio track being cut? No.. don't try to fool me, you don't know.

Originally posted by FireMoon
The snick sound at 1 second, is wholly commensurate with the mic being turned off.

We don't know for sure but I am assuming the guy hit the mute as he was checking what the setting for the quality of video he was about to shoot, in the menu.

Listen, I don't think you are reading me carefully enough....

The sound cuts off after 1 second of recording video. You CAN NOT ACCESS THE CONTROLS WHILE RECORDING. You have to set the video quality, and the sound options (mute), BEFORE you hit record. You can not change any settings while you are recording, the settings are disabled. Once the phone is told to start compressing video and audio, it is too late to make any changes to settings. You have to make the settings before you record.

I even supplied a video that shows all the controls disappear when you start recording with that phone. You can only pause and stop. You can not access the settings... The mute button is under the "Voice" setting of the video options. You can NOT access the video options while recording, they do this so people can't change settings while recording and cause and error in processing.

It's a common tactic by programmers. If you have a function that relies on changeable variables via user interface, you must disable the users ability to change those variables while the function is running, or the function can create an error.

Again... YOU CAN NOT MUTE THE SOUND AFTER YOU ARE ALREADY RECORDING BECAUSE THE MUTE BUTTON IS ONLY ACCESSIBLE IN THE CONTROL MENU WHICH IS DISABLED WHEN YOU PRESS RECORD.

Originally posted by FireMoon
I've edited the file down and left some of the muted part after the opening part to show the difference. If there was a hand over the mic there would still be ambient sound and it would be easily apparent given the huge boost i have applied to the volume envelope of the file.

I agree, covering the microphone will still create "noise". Doing a test on my very own LG phone which has an identical interface as the LG cookie, and an identical microphone, I have confirmed that.

Originally posted by FireMoon
The click slightly before one second sounds to my ears like a powered mic , either electret or Mems, being turned off. Given that can only done via software, the guy's excuse could be perfectly valid.

No, there should be no physical "click" sound.. It is a touch screen phone. Also, he was recording when the sound cuts out, you can NOT mute the phone while recording because you can't access the control menu. So something is fishy with this video.

reply to post by FireMoon


Many jets use afterburner while taking off. Especially when they are in a hurry. We don't know if there was an emergency, or a military exercise, or anything, so your doubts are irrelevant.

ATS Team:

For interest's sake I note:

I don't think it's a plane utilising "afterburn"

I will try to find contact details for the base, to see if they will provide any commentary as to flights that time of the morning on that day

I have sent this message to the witness:

G'day again!
Well.....
Your video is certainly stimulating a very interesting & lively discussion on Above Top Secret.
We have a wide range of opinions & ideas.....all quite civilised!
Here's a link if you would like to have a look.
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If you want to join so as to be able to view avatars, decrease ads, etc... then that is all quite secure & anonymous.
One of our Australian members is an expert at analysing trajectories, speeds, etc...
We are extremely keen for him to do that in this instance.
However, we would need to know what road you were travelling on & in what direction.
Are you interested in letting me know that information?
Kind regards

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

I had quick look on the navy website for a contact details for the base but there was nothing specific for any aussie bases just a general inquiry number as far as i could see. I was going to make a call and try get an email address but i have been busy today so its up to you maybemaybenot I would not be surprised if they have curfew on air traffic over the township.

reply to post by oddnutz


Oddnutz.....

I found that too.....no contact details.

I did, however, find one for Navy recruiting.....

"Take me! Take me! I want to be all that I can be!"

Ahem.....anyway.....

I note there is also a modest airport at Nowra.

I'm with you about the curfew.....0500 is a little too early for flights.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy

No, the physical volume buttons control the digital zoom when recording, not the sound.

Well, that pretty much seals the deal for me. Audio ajusted post production to eliminate the obvious sounds of a helicopter...

Case closed.

reply to post by MisterBurns


Thanks for the info Mr B. With high frosts that morning, the clouds may actually be mist rising off the ground. As happens quite often even where I live. It can look like a cloud deck that slowly ascends and dissipates gradually as the sun rises in the morning

Off topic a bit...

The Williamtown Air Show may have been one of the last opportunities to see an F-111 dump and burn. Must say at Brisbane's River Fire the dump and burn was spectacular at night, and, emitting a much larger orange glow than the object in this phone video. Also, I'm an old Air Force brat, so been around our military aircraft a lot when younger.

The Super Hornets aren't really new, I'm under the perception that they are rebuilt second hand F-18's from the Boneyard shops. Just like our Sea King helos were.

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy

Agreed it may have been another type of Fighter Jet, but as mentioned by Mr Burns I to doubt it at that time of day and at that base/airport.

A dump and Burn carried out that low would be stupendously Loud. Many, many thousands of Aussie motor racing fans can attest to that as the dump and burn has been a staple pre-race entertainment for many years, as well as being used for about a decade in River Fire as mentioned above, plus at many Air Shows around our country.

Not saying this video is footage of an alien spacecraft.. although I would be happy if it were proven to be. Just saying that at the moment this remains an unidentified flying object, and some of the offered scenarios don't seem to fit. More information may change that as we go.

Off topic again.. being a newbie to ATS it may take a while to not be so agressive with some other members. But it is worth the self control we gain.

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