American Soldiers having fun Killing Civilians in Iraq

reply to post by oozyism


The car drove directly to the armed combatants hide out. They were reinforcements. As you weren't there, perhaps you should quit offering your opinion, as should the author of the video. Unless you were there, you shouldn't make assumptions. The soldier referenced that they were shot at by a sniper. You should let the video speak for itself. If no one had the courage to fight, we would cease to be free (and I use the term loosely) country over night.

reply to post by astrogolf


The recruitment is here, thanks Slayer..

Anyways, they are murderers if they shoot at cars just driving by, and it looked like the car was just driving by while these scums are shooting at the car for no reason.

How about this, call your military and ask them for explanation..

Why won't you? It is not like I recorded that video? It is your soldiers who recorded those videos, and it was your soldiers who took pictures of torture, ohh ofcourse, you are gonna deny that too.. Why not? Your bias/bios was installed by the Government propaganda, why not believe the torture pictures are fake and photoshoped?

Have I been in a battle?

Umm ofcourse not, but I have seen it, in Kohistan, when Taliban was trying to take the place, we fought, and we stood like men, we let you fake wannabes in and you brought nothing but corruption and drugs.. to your mismanagement. You are no better than Taliban.

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by astrogolf

 

The recruitment is here, thanks Slayer..

We do thank slayer69 for helping expose another U.S. bashing troll.

Anyways, they are murderers if they shoot at cars just driving by, and it looked like the car was just driving by while these scums are shooting at the car for no reason.

Your misguided opinion only. Again, YOUR video shows otherwise.

How about this, call your military and ask them for explanation..

Why won't you? It is not like I recorded that video? It is your soldiers who recorded those videos, and it was your soldiers who took pictures of torture, ohh ofcourse, you are gonna deny that too.. Why not? Your bias/bios was installed by the Government propaganda, why not believe the torture pictures are fake and photoshoped?

Nothing to ask them about. The real video speaks for itself - and is far different than you claim.

Have I been in a battle?

Perhaps you could go over the the middle east and "embed" with the insurgents so you could tell us the (your) "truth". If you do, watch out for all those mean Americans.

Umm ofcourse not, but I have seen it, in Kohistan, when Taliban was trying to take the place, we fought, and we stood like men, we let you fake wannabes in and you brought nothing but corruption and drugs..

to your mismanagement. You are no better than Taliban.

You say "of course not" to the been in battle question, then dare to use the word "we" to describe some battle.

Which is it? Never mind, we already know the answer - you're lying.



We have a saying here in the U.S. that would seem to fit your situation. It is: if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging!

reply to post by centurion1211


I bet if your son was shot at by Chinese invading forces while simply driving by, you would demand answers, but hey, who cares, it is a video of American soldiers killing people, it could be anyone, so leave it alone and forget about it, for a second I thought it was my son

Arrogance and Hypocrisy is the product of steroids..

I will repeat, I haven't been in a battle, meaning I haven't picked up a gun and shot anyone, but I'm from Afghanistan if you didn't know I haven't seen many Afghanis who haven't witnessed an battle.

But if you mean fighting, I fight with my fists, and wouldn't mind having a 1 on 1 with Mr. Bush and Obama.

I will ask you a question now: Have you been in a battle>? US army? To Afghanistan? Which part? What do you know about Afghan politics?

Do you wanna see a picture of my mom

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by centurion1211

 

I bet if your son was shot at by Chinese invading forces while simply driving by, you would demand answers, but hey, who cares, it is a video of American soldiers killing people, it could be anyone, so leave it alone and forget about it, for a second I thought it was my son

Arrogance and Hypocrisy is the product of steroids..

Now comes the name calling ...

I will repeat, I haven't been in a battle, meaning I haven't picked up a gun and shot anyone, but I'm from Afghanistan if you didn't know

You're from Afghanistan? We have a picture at my office of a guy peddling his exercise bicycle to generate power for his laptop. Is that you?

I haven't seen many Afghanis who haven't witnessed an battle.

Fighting someone, or anyone seems to be about all they ever do over there - for hundreds/thousands of years.

But if you mean fighting, I fight with my fists, and wouldn't mind having a 1 on 1 with Mr. Bush and Obama.

You're obviously living in a make believe world. That's why I'm predicting your collapse for this year.

Another example: Why do you want to fight obama when he's just arranged for you to get the medical (well, psychological) care you need for free? Not in/from the U.S.? Won't matter to obama.

Originally posted by centurion1211


Now comes the name calling ...

Ouch, talk about name calling:

U.S. bashing troll.

You're obviously living in a make believe world. That's why I'm predicting your collapse for this year.

Another example: Why do you want to fight obama when he's just arranged for you to get the medical (well, psychological) care you need for free? Not in/from the U.S.? Won't matter to obama.

edit on 9/27/2010 by centurion1211 because: (no reason given)

I thought Bush send your kids to war, and Obama is continuing? Why didn't Bush fight Osama bin Laden one on one in a stadium for their supporters to watch? That would have been much better than sending American kids to kill people who they don't even know, to the other side of the world.

reply to post by oozyism




See above ^^^ - wasn't done editing.

2nd line.

Originally posted by oozyism
Why didn't Bush fight Osama bin Laden one on one in a stadium for their supporters to watch? That would have been much better than sending American kids to kill people who they don't even know, to the other side of the world.

You see, a perfect example to you on how the rest of the world has left you behind. The last time I saw anyone suggest "combat by champions" was in two movies - "Troy" and "David and Bathsheeba". The time periods for each movie was over 1,000 years BCE - in other words, over 3,000 years ago. But then again, both did take place in the middle east. What IS it with that place?

With you, are we getting to experience what happens when you give a barbarian a computer? Perhaps so ...

reply to post by centurion1211

You're from Afghanistan? We have a picture at my office of a guy peddling his exercise bicycle to generate power for his laptop. Is that you?

An over weight guy in a lazy chair, sitting in front of a desk top computer, with his big bowl of chips on the left and a big bottle of coke on the right, that is the description of a picture I have, don't tell me it's you. What makes you think being from Afghanistan means living in Afghanistan?

Are you just here to directly attack me, or are you after a serious discussion lol..

Ranting is easy, they even have a forum in there somewhere, should we go there and have a ranting competition.

Other wise, please, unless you want to talk about the subject, don't waste everyone time.

reply to post by centurion1211

You see, a perfect example to you on how the rest of the world has left you behind. the last time I saw anyone suggest "combat by champions" was in two movies - "Troy" and "David and Bathsheeba". The time periods for each movie was over 1,000 years BCE - in other words, over 3,000 years ago.

With you, are we getting to experience what happens when you give a barbarian a computer? Perhaps so ...

Look whose talking lol..

Have you looked at your avatar lately>?

Can we Please Stop the childish sniping and get back On Topic.

Originally posted by centurion1211

Prediction:~2010 oozyism complete mental collapse~

Sorry, you can't get your psychic license for stating the obvious... - and it is appearing more and more to be a "post-diction" rather than a "pre-diction".

Yeah, Oozy's losin' it.

In Oozy's defense (God, how it grates on me to have to do this!),

As near as I've been able to determine:

Oozy really IS from Afghanistan, from Nuristan, I believe.

Oozy's first language is not Arabic, it's Pashtun - but in any event you are correct - it's not English.

There is, I believe, a compelling (in my estimation) reason that Oozy didn't participate in the actual bullet -flinging mentioned in Kohistan.

Oozy is no longer in Afghanistan, nor the US, but NZ instead. Oozy is a refugee of sorts, and that probably tends to color perceptions of things - both living as a refugee (albeit relatively opulently, compared to the Waziristan refugees) and by virtue of removal from the situation.

Ok, defense of Oozy mode now off. I'm pretty sure I need a shower after that - makes me feel so... "icky"!

I'm no entirely sure why Oozy can't see what everyone else can in the videos - other than sheer indoctrination, and single minded, dogged, perseverance in the face of the obvious. In that, he's not alone. There are others here with a supreme ability to suspend facts in their face in favor of an "interpretation" fostered by the engineering done on the videos. Funny, the engineering wasn't done all that well, and perhaps the most damaging part was to leave in the actual audio and try to lead folks astray with contrived captioning.

Folks can argue the "RPG vs camera" debate all day, but in the end all the circumstances taken together show a pretty clear picture. From my point of view, when the grease is hot, and folks are pitching bullets and 'splodey things at me, it just isn't a sane thing to do to point ANYTHING at me at that time. If I see it, you're toast. I'm not going to stop and ask if your RPG was made by Nikon or Sony, I'm just going to try to neutralize it.

You just have to ask yourself if a photo of me ducking from buzzing things is really worth the potential outcome to yourself.

Kids in the van? Bummer. You might want to reconsider having them tag along next time you go out to pick up combatants who've been killed and wounded. Not a good place to take your kids, and it might scar 'em for life to see such things.

Sometimes, the human shield doctrine just doesn't work out all that well. If it's me or them, I'll do my damndest to light 'em up, propaganda value be damned. I'm just not all that convinced by the "oh, those poor children" argument when I realize why they were in harm's way to begin with, and who put them there. Don't expect me to value your own kids more than you do.

Yeah, I'm not a very nice guy. Tough. I'm still alive to argue the points.

reply to post by nenothtu


Attacking me directly and defending terrorism..


Watch it again lol

Can't wait until the Chinese come and invade the US, then shoot your van with your kids in it while you are helping a US camera man who was shot by the Chinese.. You know what, here is a mission for you my old friend, why don't you go to the military and ask for explanation of both videos.. There is more by the way, it is not an isolated incident, these are just videos posted un-officially lol, we wouldn't want to see Americans spread propaganda against America now

Sorry mate, nothing new.

By the way, when did you become an oozyentologist. Nuristan Good one..

Originally posted by Eliad


I know what I'm talking about..
.

Err we were talking about post 33 Germany not the Wiemar Republic and the world depression.

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Attacking me directly and defending terrorism..

How is defending you a direct "attack" on you? You should brush up on your pashtunwali, you've been gone too long.

Watch it again lol

I did, just to pacify you. Same result - I'd have lit 'em up, especially when the yokel starts peeping around a corner at me with an RPG in hand. Doom and destruction. Don't like it, don't act furtive and point things at me.

Can't wait until the Chinese come and invade the US, then shoot your van with your kids in it while you are helping a US camera man who was shot by the Chinese..

You don't know me well enough if you think I'm going to use my kids as a human shield, or put 'em in a van and drive 'em into a kill zone. I value my children a bit more than to throw 'em away on a potential propaganda coup.

Helping a US camera man? Not a chance. He takes the same chances as I do, so he'd best arm up. If he's going to point things at the opposition, he'd better make it count. I'm not about to put my one and only precious body on the line for a tourist in a war zone.

You know what, here is a mission for you my old friend, why don't you go to the military and ask for explanation of both videos.. There is more by the way, it is not an isolated incident, these are just videos posted un-officially lol, we wouldn't want to see Americans spread propaganda against America now

Why do I need them to explain to me what is right before my own eyes? Wasting their time on what I can do for myself is wasting my tax dollars.

By the way, when did you become an oozyentologist. Nuristan

Good one..

I became an Oozyentologist around the same time that you started your groundbreaking "Islamophobists as bugs under a magnifying glass" study. Most of my time was around Jalalabad and points slightly south of there, but it was my understanding that your family is from Nuristan. If that has somehow offended you, then I apologize. Straighten me out. Don't tell me the Panjshir - you appear to have too low an opinion of Masud for that.

reply to post by nenothtu


RPG in his hand? You mean camera lol.. Well then again, that is usually the excuse Americans make, like when they blow up a whole village filled with innocent people and claim .. naaa .. it wasn't innocent people it was insurgents..

And the van was just passing through, it look like it was passing through and saw dead bodies lol.. I would do the same, that is their home, they live around there, just like people getting shot at by Chinese and you are driving through with your kid and see an innocent injured American on the ground, what would you do?> Ohh wait, you would run? Sorry mate, not everyone has a sick mentality as you.. Helping an innocent man at the brink of death who was shot by occupying forces, what do you think those kids saw? Their dad being shot in front of their eye, and one bullet went through the VAN.. Yup, the usual terrorist sympathizer argument, don't bring your kids in the battlefield hahaha

Here's one for you Mr. Neno, what about those who stay around US terrorist bases? The people you call terrorists blow themselves up in order to kill some Americans, and mostly civilians die, so based on your argument, they are there in the battlefield, they should bring their kids in the battle field, and the the US terrorists are using them as human shields.. Good one

Funny how people claim to know me better than me, oozyontologists who think they know oozyism better than oozyism, that is like me saying I know you better than you lol..

I don't get offended by the Nuristan call, Nuristan is one of the most beautiful places around, I guess not anymore

As I said previously, my mom is from panjshir and my dad is from Kohistan, I was born in Kabul.. I lived in Kohistan, which was also resisting Taliban..

I don't even know pashtu properly, but just like all Afghanis I understand it, I speak Dari, even here at home in NZ

Then again, sorry neno, you know me more than me..

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by nenothtu

 

RPG in his hand? You mean camera lol..

Like I said before, I'm not going to stop and inquire after his families' health and whether he's pointing a Minolta RPG or a Canon RPG at me. Hiding behind corners and pointing things at me in the middle of a firefight is quite enough for me to light him up. For the record, that sure looked like the ass end of an RPG-7V to me... you know, the kind used in Afghanistan and Somalia, among other places, to bring down low-flying choppers... the one that caused the Russians to have to fly higher, and making Stingers necessary to bring 'em down.

Well then again, that is usually the excuse Americans make, like when they blow up a whole village filled with innocent people and claim .. naaa .. it wasn't innocent people it was insurgents..

A whole village? I've seen some small villages, but 8 guys... A WHOLE VILLAGE?

And the van was just passing through, it look like it was passing through and saw dead bodies lol.. I would do the same, that is their home, they live around there, just like people getting shot at by Chinese and you are driving through with your kid and see an innocent injured American on the ground, what would you do?> Ohh wait, you would run? Sorry mate, not everyone has a sick mentality as you..

You got it, mate. I'd floor it and get the hell out of the kill zone - ESPECIALLY if my kids are in the van. They take priority, you know? I ain't putting my life OR theirs on the line to help a war zone tourist. Words like "innocent" are pretty subjective. How am I supposed to determine that while hell is raining down amongst me and my kids? Nope, I'm outta there. If I want to "help", I'm finding cover elsewhere and taking that chopper down, not stopping for a leisurely stroll in the gunsights. You call it "sick" all day long... I'll stick with "pragmatic".

Helping an innocent man at the brink of death who was shot by occupying forces, what do you think those kids saw? Their dad being shot in front of their eye, and one bullet went through the VAN.. Yup, the usual terrorist sympathizer argument, don't bring your kids in the battlefield hahaha

"Innocent man"... "occupying forces"... all calculated to provide a context to your argument that may not exist at all. It sure as hell don't exist while I'm being shot at - whichever side I'm on. Nice play on words with the "terrorist sympathizer" argument. It's the terrorists who are bringing their kids to the battlefield, and using them as human shields. They get what they get, and I make no apologies at all for it. Like I said, they must not put all that much value on them in the first place to do so. Maybe they think it's ok, they can just manufacture some more? And you call ME "sick"...

Here's one for you Mr. Neno, what about those who stay around US terrorist bases? The people you call terrorists blow themselves up in order to kill some Americans, and mostly civilians die, so based on your argument, they are there in the battlefield, they should bring their kids in the battle field, and the the US terrorists are using them as human shields.. Good one

Not at all. There ARE no "US terrorist bases". Your argument fails right there. As far as the terrorists blowing themselves up to kill Americans, and getting civilians instead goes, well, I reckon your terrorist schools over there need an academic upgrade, teach 'em how to target better. I don't know of any Americans that are forcibly surrounding themselves with children in order to use them as shields. If you do, enlighten me, and I'll see what I can get done about that.

As I said previously, my mom is from panjshir and my dad is from Kohistan, I was born in Kabul.. I lived in Kohistan, which was also resisting Taliban..

Folks up in the Panjshir are some of the scariest folks on Earth when you get crossways of them - right up there with the folks where I'm from. I don't think the Russians ever DID get anything done there, what with whole mountainsides falling on their columns on those narrow-assed roads, killing some and cutting the rest off to get exterminated at leisure. If that's where your mom is from, send her my respects, and I mean that in all seriousness. Does she know you support Masud's enemies?

"Kohistan" is in Pakistan, not Afghanistan - except for local usage of the term. Nuristan is the closest thing for us outsiders, so that's why I made my mistake there. Locally, Nuristan is included in Kohistan - but you already know that. Anyhow, apologies on my misperception.

I don't even know pashtu properly, but just like all Afghanis I understand it, I speak Dari, even here at home in NZ

Then again, sorry neno, you know me more than me..

Nope, just assumptions built up from your other posts here and there. I extend my sincerest apologies for my misperceptions. I was wrong, so don't say I can't admit it.

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Never explain. Your friends do not need it and your enemies will not believe it anyway.
~Elbert Hubbard, A Thousand and One Epigrams, 1911

Just seems like the quote fits here...