American Soldiers having fun Killing Civilians in Iraq

Originally posted by jambatrumpet
And leaving a wake of death and destruction behind them......

You probably still believe all that crap. The video in question is old it may have been new to You-tube but it has been shown here many times before over the years. Every so often somebody "Discovers it again" and it gets reposted. Check the date of the video on You-tube May 28, 2007 . If you miss all the bloodshed watch all the two year old or older videos all you want over and over again.

You probably believe Iraq is still bombed out and there are running gun battles in the streets.

Baghdad 2001 pre invasion

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Baghdad post invasion

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Baghdad 2010

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reply to post by SLAYER69

Uh...... I think I'll stick to the facts....instead of anecdotal evidence.

QUALITY OF LIFE INDICATORS
Iraqis Displaced Inside Iraq, by Iraq War, as of May 2007 - 2,255,000

Iraqi Refugees in Syria & Jordan - 2.1 million to 2.25 million

Iraqi Unemployment Rate - 27 to 60%, where curfew not in effect

Consumer Price Inflation in 2006 - 50%

Iraqi Children Suffering from Chronic Malnutrition - 28% in June 2007 (Per CNN.com, July 30, 2007)

Percent of professionals who have left Iraq since 2003 - 40%

Iraqi Physicians Before 2003 Invasion - 34,000

Iraqi Physicians Who Have Left Iraq Since 2005 Invasion - 12,000

Iraqi Physicians Murdered Since 2003 Invasion - 2,000

Average Daily Hours Iraqi Homes Have Electricity - 1 to 2 hours, per Ryan Crocker, U.S. Ambassador to Iraq (Per Los Angeles Times, July 27, 2007)

Average Daily Hours Iraqi Homes Have Electricity - 10.9 in May 2007

Average Daily Hours Baghdad Homes Have Electricity - 5.6 in May 2007

Pre-War Daily Hours Baghdad Homes Have Electricity - 16 to 24

Number of Iraqi Homes Connected to Sewer Systems - 37%

Iraqis without access to adequate water supplies - 70% (Per CNN.com, July 30, 2007) Water Treatment Plants Rehabilitated - 22%
data analyzed by various think tanks, including The Brookings Institution's Iraq Index, and from mainstream media sources.

usliberals.about.com...

Nice pictures though!!!! They do demonstrate that the lighting is better after the war than before, I'll give you that much... Thanks!

reply to post by jambatrumpet


You know I keep seeing the same date over and over again.

2007 Can you possibly post something a bit older?

reply to post by SLAYER69


Baghdad 2010
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Possible that one picture and one angle is not really telling the whole story?

reply to post by jambatrumpet


Your Source.

Daily Insurgent Attacks, Feb 2004 - 14

Daily Insurgent Attacks, July 2005 - 70

Daily Insurgent Attacks, May 2007 - 163

Estimated Insurgency Strength, Nov 2003 - 15,000

Estimated Insurgency Strength, Oct 2006 - 20,000 - 30,000

Estimated Insurgency Strength, June 2007 - 70,000

Yeah I will use your own fact source and supply a video....

Who exactly were training and supplying those insurgents needlessly extending the war, deaths and killing a full two years or more? Iran

Ever hear of the Mahdi army? Iran played their game and we played ours

Google Video Link

Originally posted by Curiousisall
Possible that one picture and one angle is not really telling the whole story?

I thought we discussed SECTARIAN violence a few pages back? Yup we did. Here I'll bold the part for you so you can see it better.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
And once again you side step the fact that the Iraqis [Sunni and Shiites] have been blowing themselves up causing a LARGE percentage of those casualties. [A conflict that has been going on for centuries.] Should we bring up Iran's contribution to the death and mayhem?

Edit to add: The following post is a perfect example!

Yeah slayer...Baghdad's real peachy.....!!


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I was careful to source photos taken within the last 7 days.....

I'd say "YUP" slayer, theres still bombs goin' off in Baghdad.....


See how anyone can post a photo slayer to prove ones point??

I havent used these photos before, as they are taken within the last week......

Ive seen you use those before....you need some new material...once you keep repeating the same old, same old people tend to start to see through....you know??!!

reply to post by benoni

Check the post above yours ^ ^ ^ ^




So now tell the nice people who did the bombings and where they got the material from.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
I thought we discussed SECTARIAN violence a few pages back? Yup we did. Here I'll bold the part for you so you can see it better.

I was just pointing out that one viewpoint does not tell the whole story. Now you just switch tactics? You want to hold up a picture of a paved road and claim that is because America is doing so much good but when you see a picture a little less pretty, you want to blame someone.

How about just acknowledge my picture plus your picture = pictures are worthless to prove either point?

reply to post by benoni


Hey man. We paved a road. Give credit where credit is due.
Who cares how baddly we screwed up the country and how many innocent people suffer because of us. It was for their own good. They are happy now. We paved a road.

Speaking of them being happy now, still waiting for that one single letter of thanks I thought slayer was digging up for me.

The point is not who did the bombings and where they got the materials from....remember, you dont get to play General here, making all the rules to suit....


The point is, mr slayer, that bombings are still a daily occurence .... something you said was NOT happening anymore....


Oh..nice pic of a BMW too...was that to imply Baghdad was now prosperous and successful ???

Interesting avatar change too.....dropped the Militaristic thingy you had going.....probably for the best slayer.




curious....

I hear you brother!!

Originally posted by benoni
The point is not who did the bombings and where they got the materials from....remember, you dont get to play General here, making all the rules to suit....

I don't govern this thread the MODS do.

The point is, mr slayer, that bombings are still a daily occurence .... something you said was NOT happening anymore....

Show me where I said exactly that? More assumptions?

Oh..nice pic of a BMW too...was that to imply Baghdad was now prosperous and successful ?

No, The Iraqis are trying to move on with their lives. It seems that many here want to watch 3 year old videos as in the case of the OP. Many people still think that is still going on. I have saying this whole time that SECTARIAN violence is ramped to this day in Iraq and that the US was not the cause of it.

Interesting avatar change too.....dropped the Militaristic thingy you had going.....probably for the best slayer.

That's on topic how exactly? Personal jab?
Fair enough I've seen plenty. No sweat off my pair.

I hear you brother!!

You aint my brother.
Semper Fi

Good night ladies.

Originally posted by Curiousisall
I was just pointing out that one viewpoint does not tell the whole story. Now you just switch tactics? You want to hold up a picture of a paved road and claim that is because America is doing so much good but when you see a picture a little less pretty, you want to blame someone.

Who is making ANY claims here?
How is showing Iraqis trying to move on with their lives a bad thing? They are picking up the pieces and doing the best they can.

How about just acknowledge my picture plus your picture = pictures are worthless to prove either point?

No, your picture just proved my point about how the Iraqis are in an almost civil war that has been brewing under the surface long before the US ever got involved. Fueled by Iranians on one side and the Saudis on the other.

Reference Sunni and Shiites.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Obviously you are having trouble following from one thought to the next.

Someone said we left that place looking pretty bad.

You said "WRONG, LOOK AT THIS ONE STREET."

I said, "How about this one street."

You then respond those are other people's bombs? What the hell does that have to do with anything? The point was you showed a picture and tried to pretend it showed that everything is just perfect over there now. I showed a picture that contradicted that. Who did it had nothing to do with the argument.

Originally posted by oozyism
I just don't swallow propaganda.

That has to be the funniest thing I've ever read! Dude, you swallow the Taliban and insurgent propaganda on a daily freakin' basis!! If there's anything remotely negative about the US in A-stan or Iraq, you're quick on the draw to post it.

However, if anything is posted about the Taliban getting wasted in a stupid attack on a FOB, or when insurgents decide to be "brave freedom fighters" and kill a bunch of innocent civilian women and children with a car bomb in a market, you don't make a peep.

reply to post by oozyism


"Antiwar.com"? Yeah, there's a real non biased source of information.

Try again; that story quotes that Lancet survey that has been proved to be based on faulty information.

reply to post by benoni


So, if good ol' Kofi said the war was illegal, why wasn't he raising hell in the UN?

Sure, the US could veto anything, but by screaming and yelling at the top of his lungs that the war was illegal, it would bring more attention to it.

But Kofi didn't do that, did he? Nah, the only reason why he was getting his undies in a bunch was that his family was making money off the "oil for food" program and he was in a pissy mood that his cash cow was soon to be put on the chopping block.

reply to post by benoni


So, insurgents set off a bomb in the city (notice, that wasn't a FOB, but downtown) and somehow, that's the fault of the US?

I know. "If the US wasn't there, this wouldn't be happening!"( I love how the insurgents can do anything they want, and they get a pass. :lol

But tell me how setting off a car bomb in the middle of a city is "striking a blow against the US military"? All is does is kill civilians.

Originally posted by jerico65


I know. "If the US wasn't there, this wouldn't be happening!"( I love how the insurgents can do anything they want, and they get a pass. :lol

Setting reality and facts aside, can I ask a question?

If an American citizen, residing within the US were to commit an act of terrorism in the US, who would you want to deal with that? Would you want the US to take care of it or some other country to send in their military, into the US, to do something about it? I am just curious because if it boils down to be as simple as you seem to make it, then yeah, who cares? Let people blow themselves up in their own country.

reply to post by Curiousisall


The US could and would take care of that paticular problem.

1. Because we have a Military that is properly trained- Iraq did not and right now, they are barely able to be called an Army.

2. We have a working government in place- Iraq did not and right now they are barely a working government.

3. You knew this, but you was hoping that nobody else did.

Now its time for you to tell and show me what you have seen from the news and internet.