The Roots of "Sharia" Hysteria

thinkprogress.org



According to this article, the possibility of the United States of America adopting Sharia law is about as likely as making Buddhism the state religion. It ain't gonna happen. While some of its rhetoric is definitely a call to jihad, it is not anymore heeded than mainstream Christians are to answering a call to bomb abortion clinics. In other words, it's limited in its audience to a few extremists.

Much as the "Anarchists' Cookbook" was read but not followed by most hippies in my generation. At that time anyone who asked for the book or checked it out at public libraries was put on a watch list by the F.B.I. The feds also appeared at anti-war rallies, which were overwhelmingly peaceful in most instances. Still, part of the population was genuinely frightened by "flower power."

I'm not sure if this article makes me any less wary of the few extremists who might decide to make "holy war" on America. It only takes a few nuts to wreak havoc on many.

But as the author points out, both Islam and Christianity are evangelizing movements, and both have been taken to bloody extremes at different points in world history. I think his or her point is that we should be wary of the inherent violence in the rhetoric but keep a sane perspective on the actual possibility of large numbers really following it to extremes.

Should we really be afraid that Sharia law is coming to the U.S.? I'd like all opinions.

reply to post by Sestias

Should we really be afraid that Sharia law is coming to the U.S.? I'd like all opinions.

Sharia Law has been used as a defense, in US courts, and upheld. Do a search and you will find examples of cases that were both upheld and tossed on appeal. Yes, you should be concerned that it is being used as a defense in the US and that US judges are basing decisions on Religion.

reply to post by LadySkadi


Used as a defense for what? Can you please be specific? Insanity is used as a defence but I am pretty sure there is no threat of grand sweeping implemented insanity.

reply to post by Curiousisall


As I mentioned above, do a search and you will find examples.
Here is one...

reply to post by LadySkadi


Ooops. I see you already did give me some links while I was typing this. Thanks and disregard what is below.

I'm very interested in what you are saying.

Could you give me some sources that name the court cases in which Sharia law was imposed, or ideally some links?

I know in Great Britain some in power were contemplating abiding by Sharia law in some court cases, but I believe that proposal was soundly defeated.

It's scary to think that could happen in the U.S.

reply to post by Sestias


Also, just to clarify: The primary concern for me is with regards to US judges allowing a Religious defense to uphold acts that have been determined to be illegal, in the US. This is not specific to Sharia Law only, though that is the example in this instance, per the topic of the thread.

reply to post by LadySkadi

I read the article you linked. I am dumbfounded that someone in a position of authority like that could make such a judgment in the U.S. today. It's taking us back about 100 years in terms of women's rights. Not to mention that no sane judge in this country would sanction, say, genital mutilation on the grounds that it is practiced in some other societies. So why this?

I hope the judges who would make such a ruling are few and voted out as soon as possible.

reply to post by Sestias


some people beleive that there is an inherent danger for the simple fact most people of the left openly condemn christianity and openly embrace all things islamic and since shaira law is so openly embraced it has the potential to do some serious damage.

the biggest reason of the sharia "compliance" to borrow a phrase is that they can simple shout FREEDOM of religion and they can practice that religion to how ever they see fit.

under shaira law in american a woman was raped and assaulted by her husband cause she was his property something that is clearly unacceptable under us law but the judge the first time rule in the husband favor and it was appealed and the husband was finally sentenced.


the biggest problem with americas " islamophobia" is the fact the left readily comes to the aid of islam and never has ever condemned any "evil" thing they have ever done.

and those radicial islamic extremists do consider the left in america to be their best friends simply because they will always turn a blind eye to them.

reply to post by LadySkadi


Great, only the Appeals court rejected the Judges decision

Appeals court Decision

The first Judge also didn't base his decision on Sharia law, he tried to determine if the defedant had criminal intent. Big difference, but only IF you understand the law.

Sharia law is coming to America. Islam is on the rise and will take over the world at some point. This is the strategy and purpose for Islam. As a Christian, and as many Christians know, there is one last great empire to rule the entire world before the end comes. The only holdout to complete world domination will be Israel. You cannot stop the rise of Islam, nor Sharia. All will comply and worship who are not saved in Christ. They will tell you to worship or die, and you will worship. This is what happened a few years ago to a Foxnews reporter who was captures in Gaza. He was told to convert to Islam, declare there is no god but allah, renounce Christianity, or be beheaded. He converted on the spot rather than die. You cannot resist Sharia when it is installed. It is direct, to the point, and final in every decision made in Islam.

America has two more chances to resist Islamic take over. 2010 and 2012. If they fail, time to get your prayer rugs out of the closet.

reply to post by Fromabove


Thanks for The Bronze Age viewpoint!
What would "christians" do without somebody persecuting them?
Get a life maybe?

reply to post by OldDragger


From your link:

This court does not feel that, under the circumstances, that this defendant had a criminal desire to or intent to sexually assault or to sexually contact the plaintiff when he did. The court believes that he was operating under his belief that it is, as the husband, his desire to have sex when and whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices and it was something that was not prohibited.

After acknowledging that this was a case in which religious custom clashed with the law, and that under the law, plaintiff had a right to refuse defendant’s advances, the judge found that defendant did not act with a criminal intent when he repeatedly insisted upon intercourse, despite plaintiff’s contrary wishes.

Having found acts of domestic violence consisting of assault and harassment to have occurred, the judge turned to the issue of whether a final restraining order should be entered. He found such an order unnecessary, vacated the temporary restraints previously entered in the matter and dismissed plaintiff’s domestic violence action....

The appellate court reversed,...

The decision was reversed and I did state that there are examples in which decisions were reversed on appeal, in my first post. However, I still believe that the Judge based his decision on his understanding of the Religious beliefs of the Perp.... It does NOT matter if the husband believed he was not committing a criminal act, he was in fact forcing his wife (marital rape) and the Judge upheld that in the original decision. Disgusting.

Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by Fromabove

 

Thanks for The Bronze Age viewpoint!
What would "christians" do without somebody persecuting them?
Get a life maybe?

In about ten years or so, ask that question again, maybe I won't have to answer it for you. Seeing how the Islamics live in the 7th century it isn't hard to understand their quest to have the whole world. It's in their book.

Originally posted by Fromabove


America has two more chances to resist Islamic take over. 2010 and 2012. If they fail, time to get your prayer rugs out of the closet.

edit on 24-9-2010 by Fromabove because: (no reason given)

In my case, I'd have to get out the rug and go in the closet.
Sure, both sides of this debate think I'm hellbound, but only one seems pretty intent on sending me there.
I'll go with the guys that seem to be able to wait for me to get my punishment in the hereafter.
I'll continue to be wary of Sharia law for the sake of others as well as my own.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Sestias

 

some people beleive that there is an inherent danger for the simple fact most people of the left openly condemn christianity and openly embrace all things islamic and since shaira law is so openly embraced it has the potential to do some serious damage.

the biggest reason of the sharia "compliance" to borrow a phrase is that they can simple shout FREEDOM of religion and they can practice that religion to how ever they see fit.

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the biggest problem with americas " islamophobia" is the fact the left readily comes to the aid of islam and never has ever condemned any "evil" thing they have ever done.

You are making some pretty sweeping and irresponsible statements about the left.

While some progressives do acknowledge Islam as a world religion and are not quick to condemn all Muslims, there are many, many Christians who are to the left of center. Not fundies, perhaps--although there of some of those too--but mainstream Christians. Others are Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Bahai, agnostics, atheists and a whole range of other religious persuasions. The left is a big tent as far as religious diversity is concerned.

The left has of course condemned the attacks of 9/11 and other terrorist acts performed by Islamic extremists -- indeed by any violent extremists and murderous "true believers." The evidence of this is plenteous and easily found.

It's true that progressives seek to put a damper on what can easily become mob violence against an entire ethnic group and a huge wave of religious persecution, such as that which has been leveled at Catholics, Jews, Mormons and other religions in this country's history.

That is responsible. To do otherwise is irresponsible and ultimately un-American.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Sestias

 

some people beleive that there is an inherent danger for the simple fact most people of the left openly condemn christianity and openly embrace all things islamic and since shaira law is so openly embraced it has the potential to do some serious damage.

the biggest reason of the sharia "compliance" to borrow a phrase is that they can simple shout FREEDOM of religion and they can practice that religion to how ever they see fit.

under shaira law in american a woman was raped and assaulted by her husband cause she was his property something that is clearly unacceptable under us law but the judge the first time rule in the husband favor and it was appealed and the husband was finally sentenced.


the biggest problem with americas " islamophobia" is the fact the left readily comes to the aid of islam and never has ever condemned any "evil" thing they have ever done.

and those radicial islamic extremists do consider the left in america to be their best friends simply because they will always turn a blind eye to them.

edit on 24-9-2010 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

I agree with your statement. You see it every day how the left does absurd things and then when they see a spot of someone from the right they harp on it like the plague. Now, mix the left with Islam and what do you get. A very terrible beast. Something like the Nazis of old Germany.

reply to post by Sestias


we are gonna disagree here but i dont expect you to agree with me and thats fine

yes they are sweeping statements however they are not irresponsible for the simple fact the numbers of the people of which i am refering are greater than what you will imagine.

and it is only the left who are the 9-11 truthers weve all heard so much about and they only terrorist acts they they will ever admit to in the greater scope of the world is the "us terrorism" of others.

and it was clearly a "mob mentality" to anything the left ever does im not arguing the progressive issues but in this country there is a clear hatred for anything christian any isreali and while i do not dismiss other persecution that exists in this county is it apparently that there exists more for those two than any others.

if you go into any ats thread will be abundently clear of what i mean.


the only irresponisbilty is to turn a blind eye to self evident proof we have seen on this site.


good chat we nboth said our minds im moving on and let the readers decide- good day

Originally posted by LadySkadi
reply to post by Curiousisall

 

As I mentioned above, do a search and you will find examples.
Here is one...

Maybe you have another example? Can you provide me with one that actually shows what you are trying to claim is happening? You know, a judge upholding Sharia Law in a US court. Your example is not that. Your example is an article someone wrote where they had to add the references to Sharia Law because it was not actually mentioned in the judgement.

Try again?