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On the contrary, they could not have been in the OEM at 09:05am as an OEM manager was in the office at the time discussing whether to evacuate WTC7:
Originally posted by LaBTop
We provide links, you provide a sentence. Link please.
Secondly, read your own links the next time.
Originally posted by exponent
Originally posted by LaBTop
We provide links, you provide a sentence. Link please.
Secondly, read your own links the next time.
I gave you the source, if you really want me to link to an individual page of a PDF I don't know how to do that from ATS.
Secondly, you seem to be trying to claim that Barry Jennings could have visited the OEM before this time, but there is no evidence of this. Unbelievably you even go on to call this unnamed manager a despicable person. You don't even know his name.
Talk about wearing your bias on your arm.
Originally posted by turbofan
Hello All,
I'm trying to build a case for Mr. Jennings using photo and video evidence to prove he was trapped before
the North tower fell.
Originally posted by LaBTop
You are registered in 2008. You did read that link ! So, tell me, how did you reach that link? You clicked on it. Suddenly you don't know how to copy/paste a link? Stop playing numb-nuts, it's not sounding realistic.
RIGHT CLICK the link then COPY that link, then PASTE that link in the ATS posting window.
You were doing exactly that many times before.
Don't you think that especially that fact, that they did not give his NAME, is making us suspicious? Not any other name of all these secret people named too. No precise times too, no report written about that too.
Originally posted by LaBTop
reply to post by Alfie1
That's not the lobby, that's the loading ramp.
That remark comes from the History Commons site. You can use their search option.
And here you have a video where you can see how they take out the injured and/or dead people by stretcher from that loading ramp area to the triage area.
Wtc 7 - Windows blown out in the lobby
www.youtube.com...
0:20 to 0:30 from 1:01 minutes.
At this point in time, only the south tower (tower furthest away) has collapsed. You can see this due to the footbridge to 7wtc still being intact, after the North Tower collapse this footbridge collapsed.
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by turbofan
Hello All,
I'm trying to build a case for Mr. Jennings using photo and video evidence to prove he was trapped before
the North tower fell.
Well, you're not going to get very far because the entire WTC area was covered with news journalists, police, and fire fighters at the time, and Jennings admitted the lobby was full of said people when he got there. Not a single person in creation can corroborate there being an explosion in WTC 7 before the towers fell, not even Hess, and Hess was there with him.
LT: Link please, that would be nice, so we have a hundred people more who can corroborate Barry's arriving time.
By Jennings' own admission he showed up when the building was already evacuated, which would be around 9:30.
LT: wrong, he explicitly told you in his "Uncut" video why, how and when he arrived in the WTC 7 lobby. Shortly before 09:03, when the second plane hit the South Tower. You should listen to the whole 20 minutes of that important interview, he tells quite some more about his experience in the past with the OEM office.
It would take him an hour to go up the elevator, find the doors locked, come back down to the lobby to find someone to take him up the service elevator, use the equipment to locate someone that told him to get out, and come down the stairs to the sixth floor, which puts him in the stairwell at the same time WTC 1 collapsed and dumped wreckage onto WTC 7.
LT: wrong again : First note that he was an experienced visitor to the OEM. He used to work there before.
You guys really don't take ANY time to review the evidence I laid before you, ain't it so?
Secondly, these are express elevators, takes 20 seconds to get to the 23rd floor, which route he knew by heart.
I'll rephrase your hogwash for you, to mirror the truth instead of your Simpsons-style ridicule :
REWRITE:
It would take him 20 seconds to go up the elevator, find the doors locked, come back one floor to walk to the service elevator which stopped every other floor, when he came in the OEM he used one of the myriad of telephones to call his boss, and when that one heard where he was, he ordered him to directly get the hell out of there, and then the power went out, and with the help of the emergency lights they both managed to come down to the 6th floor, that's 17 floors worth of stairs, which will have took them about 15 minutes maximum, but more like 7 minutes in the adrenaline fed frenzy they were in, then at the sixth floor, also the emergency lights went out, and from that moment on Hess and Jennings tell a different story. According to Jennings that explosion he experienced did not put him in the stairwell at the same time WTC 1 collapsed and dumped wreckage onto WTC 7.
It was far before that, since he tells us they climbed up to the 7th and then to the 8th floor in pitch dark, where they went to the furthest window and broke it to cry for help. Barry explicitly explains a few times in his last interview that the two towers were still standing, he easily could traverse the corridor on the east side of the 8th floor to see for himself.And even simpler, they could remember both that no papers and dust and light debris were on the streets below them.
The explosion he heard/felt had to have been from the wreckage impact. There isn't anything more to it than that.
When do you think the OEM was evacuated, and where is your evidence for this?
Originally posted by LaBTop
Are you serious? All the posts of mine before this one, does that ring a bell?
What do you mean the "loading ramp" ? Did you look at this video from about 40 seconds in ?
www.youtube.com...
Did escalators go up from the loading ramp ? Plainly it is not an area you would bring injured people to.
Its location relative to the WTC Plaza is shown in Fig. L–1. (the 3D drawing)
WTC 7 was located immediately to the north of the main WTC Complex, approximately 350 ft from the north side of WTC 1. It occupied the block bounded by Vesey Street on the south, Barclay Street on the north, Washington Street on the west, and West Broadway on the east. It was connected to the WTC complex with a 120 ft wide elevated plaza at the Floor 3, and a 22 ft wide pedestrian bridge, also at Floor 3.
The southeast portion of the floor above the WTC truck ramp had a 6 in. formed concrete slab with #4 rebar at 12 in. spacing for top and bottom reinforcement; #4 rebar at 18 in. spacing was used for temperature reinforcement.
The floor slab for Floors 2, 3, 4, and 6 had a 3 in., 20 gage metal deck with 3 in. 3,500 psi normal weight concrete, for a total thickness of 6 in. Floors 2 and 3 were also partial floors adjacent to the substation. In addition, they had a floor opening on the south side to form the atrium above the ground level lobby (see Figs. L–7 and L–8). Floor 4 was above the substation and had a large opening over most of the south side of the building, to form a double-height space above the 3rd floor lobby (see Fig. L–9).
Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by LaBTop
LaBTop, for all your long posts and multiple links you cannot get away from the fact that 0959 is a confirmed time peg point in the Hess/Jennings saga at WTC 7 on 9/11.
LT: That's not true, and you know it, and that's why we are constantly searching for more evidence to cover Barry's story. And we will find it, I am sure.
We know they went up to the 23rd floor by elevator but, when they were ready to come down, the elevators were not working because the power had gone. According to Con-Ed " the feeders supplying power to WTC 7 were de-energized at 9.59 am ". This was due to the South Tower collapse which occurred at the same time. Ergo, the power went out while they were in the OEM on the 23rd floor, so they were in the OEM at 0959.
LT: that's the finest contradictory set of sentences I have come across, lately. You say they were still IN the OEM, and still so, when the power went out, caused by the South Tower collapse.
Does not tightly fit each other, the following, ain't that so.
Hess says they were in the stairwell at floor 6 when the building shook like an earthquake, Barry said he was blown up by a tremendous explosion under that stairwell at the sixth floor and lower.
I'll give you a tiny tip : go look up where exactly that stairwell ended. It had no connection to any WTC 7 pressure pulse eventually racing through all these huge underground basements and already long time bled off before it could ever reach WTC 7 and build up so much pressure that it blew up two men from the sixth floor back to the seventh.
Up till now none of you have proposed that scenario, but you HINT heavily at it, hoping the silent majority out there will fill that in themselves, when you hint long enough.
Ain't gonna happen, its physically impossible. No blown out windows at lower floors in other WTC buildings during the South Tower collapse.
Barry Jennings said he made some calls while in the OEM and he was advised to get out . Michael Hess evidently did some scouting around and found that he and Barry Jennings were alone. Barry Jennings also says of Michael Hess " he found the stairwell ". Evidently the pair had been so used to using the elevators that they didn't even know where the stairs were.
LT: Agree.
Anyway, they have to use the stairs because it is after 0959 and the power is out. They start down on foot and go down 17 floors when the building is rocked and they are trapped. Timewise, this neatly dove-tails with the collapse of the North Tower at 1028 which is known to have inflicted falling debris damage on WTC 7.
LT: I am sure the time stamp on that "Hess shouting", FOIA unlocked video, will prove you wrong, and any photo of a broken 8th floor WTC 7 window, where the Pedestrian Bridge is still visible, and undamaged. Or even also an still standing North Tower!
Btw, I have somewhere a link to a report that the CON_ED technicians cut off the power to WTC 7 a lot earlier than 09:59 a.m.
I know you are not happy with Jennings/Hess being in the OEM at 0959, because it doesn't sit well with the conspiracy theories, but what is the alternative ?
By Jennings' own admission he showed up when the building was already evacuated, which would be around 9:30. It would take him an hour to go up the elevator, find the doors locked, come back down to the lobby to find someone to take him up the service elevator, use the equipment to locate someone that told him to get out, and come down the stairs to the sixth floor, which puts him in the starwell at the same time WTC 1 collapsed and dumped wreckage onto WTC 7.
Originally posted by LaBTop
LT: Link please, that would be nice, so we have a hundred people more who can corroborate Barry's arriving time.
LT: wrong, he explicitly told you in his "Uncut" video why, how and when he arrived in the WTC 7 lobby. Shortly before 09:03, when the second plane hit the South Tower. You should listen to the whole 20 minutes of that important interview, he tells quite some more about his experience in the past with the OEM office.
LT: wrong again : First note that he was an experienced visitor to the OEM. He used to work there before.You guys really don't take ANY time to review the evidence I laid before you, ain't it so?
Secondly, these are express elevators, takes 20 seconds to get to the 23rd floor, which route he knew by heart.
I'll rephrase your hogwash for you, to mirror the truth instead of your Simpsons-style ridicule :
I dare to differ. He tells much too much in specific detail, what and when happened.
(Before I forget, GoodOldDave, I am still counting in that thread where you said you never said that the drone had no wings or was wingless.
In the aftermath of the bloody assassination of President Kennedy in Dallas on November 22, 1963, over 200 eyewitnesses and sources were themselves murdered, obliterating possible testimony, contrary to the falsified Warren Report.
NEW INFO
Yesterday, April 15th 2009 I was contacted by “Loose Change” director, and narrator Dylan Avery who said that he had recently begun investigating the death of Barry Jennings, and had found some new information relating to his death.
It seems that there is a very good possibility that Jennings’ death could have been due to foul play. Though the investigations are on going, initial findings are somewhat alarming. The conclusion is still forthcoming, but I was shocked by what I heard.
It seems that Dylan had hired a private investigator to look into Jennings death which remains shrouded in mystery. His motive was simply to bring some closure to the life of Barry Jennings, and in doing so to honor the memory of this brave American. The Investigator ended up referring the case to Law enforcement before refunding his pay, and told Dylan never to contact him again. Very unusual to say the least. Dylan also paid a visit to the Jennings home. He found it vacant and for sale.
Personally, something is really beginning to stink here. Why would a highly paid PI refuse to continue his investigation? Why did he refer the matter to police? He is not talking. What is he afraid of. Was he warned to cease and desist? If so by whom?
These are some of the new questions revolving around the Jennings case.
WHO KNEW TOO MUCH?
LIST SO FAR
Barry Jennings (Eyewitness to explosions and bodies inside WTC7) -- Undisclosed causes
Kenneth Johannemann (Eyewitness to explosions inside WTC, Saw no airplanes hit but just saw "floors blow up") -- Gunshot to the head, ruled a suicide
Beverly Eckert (Wife of 9/11 WTC Victim, Earwitness to WTC Explosion, Refused hush money) -- Airplane crash
Prasanna Kalahasthi (Wife of 9/11 "Flight 11 Passenger") -- Suicide by hanging
David Graham (Dentist who saw three of the 9/11 Hijackers with Pakistani businessman in Shreveport, Louisiana) -- Murdered (Poisoned with anti-freeze)
Paul Smith (Pilot of WABC7's 9/11 "International Shot" Chopper) -- Car accident
Michael H. Doran (9/11 Victims Lawyer) -- Airplane crash
Bertha Champagne (Longtime babysitter for 911 Perp Marvin Bush's family) -- Crushed by a car
Christopher Landis (Former Operations Manager for Safety Service Patrol for the Virginia Department of Transportation, Interviewed by makers of "The Pentacon", Gave makers of "The Pentacon" a photo collection, Involved in the response to the Pentagon attack) -- Suicide
John P. O'Neill (FBI Counter-terrorism expert, Obsessed with catching Osama Bin Laden, Suspected Clinton/Bush/FBI complicity in the cover-up and protection of Bin Laden) -- Died in the WTC on 9/11
Deborah Palfrey (Ran an escort service that had 911 Perps on it's list) -- Suicide by hanging
David Wherley (US General who ordered fighter jets to scramble on 9/11) -- Train crash
Un-named Ticket Agent (Boston Logan Ticket Agent who checked Atta and Alomari) -- Suicide
Suzanne Jovin (Yale Student who had a thesis about Osama Bin Laden, Her thesis adviser was an intelligence operative) -- Murdered (Killer unknown)
Perry Kucinich (Brother of Congressman who advocated new 9/11 investigation) -- Fell down
Salvatore Princiotta (9/11 FDNY Firefighter from Ladder 9) -- Murdered
Ezra Harel (Chairman of the Israeli Company That Handled Security For All 9/11 Airports) -- Heart attack
Bruce Ivins (Patsy in the 9/11-linked "Anthrax" Case) -- Drug overdose