Being Gay isnt natural

Originally posted by daggyz
First of all don't be worried about offending people. Homosexuals couldn't care less about offending churches or anyone who thinks homosexuality is unatural.

I'm sure all homosexuals act exactly as you see them. You couldn't possibly be wrong . If a church was suppressing what you knew as the truth and they didn't for an era, you would be offended too. Besides, religion is a choice, being ignorant about homosexuality is a choice. Homosexuality is not (this is a fact, not a matter of opinion, don't bother arguing it -- you will only succeed in being wrong).

You only get offended if you're not secure in who you are whether it be homosexual, christian, muslim etc etc.

I'm glad we have an expert like you around. People get offended when idiots assume its their place to form a negative opinion on something that they couldn't possibly understand whatsoever; it has nothing to do with insecurities, that's just absurd.

Secondly, I asked a large group of homosexuals who were protesting once, who were holding up signs that accused their detractors as 'bigots' I aksed them what the term 'bigot' meant. They said that is basically meant anyone with a gross intolerance of another views or lifestyle. (Note: Any homosexual who calls another person a bigot is one themself).

Calling someone a bigot is not bigotry, it's a factual statement. If you don't like being called a bigot, try researching the issue you argue about instead of just spewing out nonsense that everyone has heard a million times already from a million other uneducated disgraces to society.

Thirdly I asked another group if homosexuality was anormal human function and they said "yes". Do they like women I asked. "No". Would they sleep with another woman I asked "No". So I aksed, if we take this correctly homosexuals want nothing to od with sexual relations with a woman and want a seprate distinct life. "Yes" they said. I put this to them....
Two islands that a re fully self sufficient. One with 100 men and 100 women and the other with 200 homosexuals. Lets visit that place in 150 years and one island barren and free of himan life and the other with a thriving society.....
The fact is Homosexuality is a dead end as far as the human race is concerned. The human race only exists because of hetrosexuals. The only thing that keeps homosexuality alive is the sexual relationships of hetrosexuals.
....and homosexuality is suppossed to be normal?

Firstly, I'm going to point out that you did not include the reply of these homosexuals becaue they clearly put you in your place. Try reading the other 38 pages of this thread. If you actually want to argue that increase in population is a good thing, you are ignorant. If there were no heterosexuals, we would not be here; if there were no homosexuals, we would've ran out of resources centuries ago. Homosexuality is necessary for population control.

For the record, all of this babble just sounds like you're touting yourself for something you never earned; it's pretty juvenile.

Gay is being happy by the way and I object to them using the term gay as a way of avoiding using the real name. If you are secure, don't hide behind anything.

You're easily the most selective and arrogant surface-thinker I've ever witnessed the existence of. You argue that you want "bigot" to be what you say, and then say that "gay" and "marriage" can't? Grow up, your superiority complex makes you seem pretty inhuman.

Now, I know a lot of homosexuals will bring up all sorts of arguments but if in the end an isolated group of homosexuals can't ever grow and exist beyond their individual lifespans then that relationship if not perpetuating. It's a fact.

And a society without homosexuality will live in poverty due to overpopulation. Reproduction is NOT always a good thing. Everything in moderation...

Ok, so have your sexual preference, live your life if you're strong enough to live it without acting like a victim or a someone who's not strong enough to accept some don't like you. We don't see those that like sex with animals marching on the streets and demanding equal rights, yet they would say it's valid, doesn't hurt the naimals (some of which get aroused) and doesn't hurt anyone. Just don't call it a natural sexual relationship as if it's something nature intended. It isn't and it can't be.

Don't victimize people and tell them that they are victimizing themselves. Also, don't pretend that's a fair comparison at all; animals can't talk or defend themselves adequately.

Then there's the urge or need or desire in homosexuals for children. It's a natural thing in human beings. But of course they have to go to lesbians or to adopt so they can feel what?.... like a 'normal family' is what I have herad some homosexuals say. A 'normal' family.!

Spewing hate, based on nothing. Against forum rules. Grow up and gtfo. They are very much a normal family, more normal than your family because most families don't have to listen to radically ignorant neanderthals.

Just keep in mind that those that get offended at these comments are causing offense for those that disagree with sticking a penis up an anus, yet will they stop doing it to prevent offense to those who think it's gross? Not likely.

Most of them accepted the fact that you know nothing a long time ago, don't condemn those who continually speak up against ignorant people like you, because most homosexuals are too tired of ignorant people to even bother arguing with them anymore. You're too hopeless, stubborn, and primitive.

Originally posted by slugger9787
reply to post by Curiousisall

 

"since pregnancy is nine months long, they enjoy the euphoria of an orgasm as much as a man.
the euphoria ovrshadows the pain of pregnancy enough to hav them yield to sexual intercourse."

I'm sorry, 'YIELD' to sexual intercourse?! What century are you coming from? Um, I pretty sure that most women would be pretty insulted and disgusted by this comment.

"so okay you have a lesbian couple and what do they do?
go out and buy a strap on sex toy in the shape of a BIG penis."

And this is going from your vast knowledge of lesbian intercourse??

"that is not natural."

...says you.

"male homosexual, place their penis in the orifice out of which comes HUMAN WASTE.
they expose their reproductive organ to the filth, pathogens, germs, and bacteria contained therein."

Yeh, and as previously mentioned by someone else, URINE also comes out of the penis, you want to think about that one?

"I will tell you why homosexuality is becoming more prevalent today, is because moral relativity has removed values from an absolute objective realm and made personal choices of each their own moral code."

I serioulsy do not know what your problem is. It seems like all you want to do is insult people, not contribute to a constructive conversation. Seriously NOT cool. Grow up and try respecting other people's opinions in the way you'd like your own to be respected.

You're argument includes that our species is in fact stable. We are expanding at a rate greater every day, stability would suggest that we were at a point where we could stay and let time pass and little to nothing would go wrong. Having a species that is expanding too rapidly for its own good there may be some sort of genetic switch that will cause some offspring to no longer have the drive to reproduce sexually. Also riddle me why giraffes in the wild like to every now and then have homosexual intercourse. Try the Bonobo (aka the pygmy chimpanzee) on for size. An animal with 99% of the genetics you and I have and sex is rampant in their society, all sorts of sex. Homosexual, heterosexual, incestuous sex all hold true in this society of primates and it is mostly used to settle disputes. For homosexuality to be unnatural you would have to argue that everything about western civilization and morals is natural, IMO they can't be, they're all constructs while a physical urge to do one thing over another seems more natural.

Originally posted by slugger9787
reply to post by Brood

 

Here is my take on the increase of unnatural homosexuality.
for about forty years now American women have been flushing birth control pills
down the toilet. These excess female hormones have gotten into the water supply.
Young children drink the water and those who are male it is like taking a daily small dose of female hormones.

So it is unnatural to take in unneeded and unwanted female hormones and the unnatural result is an affinity to femininity.
corekted fur spelling.

Just when I think you cannot possibly sink any deeper into the lake of ignorance...

There is no increase in the amount of homosexuals per capita of the population... The percentage is the same now as it was during the Industrial Revolution, as it was during the Renaissance, as it was during the Dark Ages, as it was during the Roman Empire, as it was during the... Well, all the way back to the dawn of mankind... It has nothing to do with birth control pills, or estrogen in the water supply. It is quite simply a natural occurance in the species Homo Sapien. It's always been there, and it will always continue to be a part of the human condition.

I disagree. Those who are G/L are born to it. It is just another thing that happens on this imperfect earth that we live on. Can we imagine someone actually waking up one morning and deciding to be gay? What for? Cheap thrills and sex? A person would have to be out of his or her mind to actually, knowingly choose to live in a way which would attract ridicule from so many. Choosing to be gay doesn't make sense.

The big problem with this issue is the Christians who are probably the single most ignorant group of people on the planet. They condemn people they don't even know and have the audacity to smile while they're doing it saying first that God hates fags and then a moment later that God loves us unconditionally.

Being gay is not about sex but it is about sexual identity. Plenty of straight men do the anal sex thing with women and no one seems to get upset about it even though there is no chance of much happening except that, on rare occasions, an asshole baby will be born. It is in this way that the self righteous, self gratifying, better than thou preachers come into the world.

Dude that was harsh.... but someone has to say it.

I'll say something else while I'm at it. I'd rather have my daughter in the Army serving alongside gay men than straight ones. See if you guess why?

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Originally posted by slugger9787
reply to post by Brood

 

Here is my take on the increase of unnatural homosexuality.
for about forty years now American women have been flushing birth control pills
down the toilet. These excess female hormones have gotten into the water supply.
Young children drink the water and those who are male it is like taking a daily small dose of female hormones.

So it is unnatural to take in unneeded and unwanted female hormones and the unnatural result is an affinity to femininity.
corekted fur spelling.

Here is my take on the increase of unnatural bigotry. Bigots believe anything that they think they came up with themselves because they are arrogant, pathetic people that develop opinions based on ignorance.

Ready for the truth?

Here it comes...

Estrogen levels have nothing to do with homosexuality. Many straight men have higher estrogen levels than gay men; it's a treatable condition. Stop babbling nonsense when the answers are right in front of your face. Don't blame chemicals just because you don't understand them.

A lot of people share this idea on birth control pills and homosexuality; it's easily the most uneducated and equally pathetic conspiracy theory I've ever heard.

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reply to post by trailertrash


Please point out where I said that kids drink toilet water? Maybe the member whom I quoted suggested that, but I most certainly did not. Also, your post does cross the line of the T & C... Attack the post, not the poster...

Originally posted by trailertrash

The big problem with this issue is the Christians who are probably the single most ignorant group of people on the planet. They condemn people they don't even know and have the audacity to smile while they're doing it saying first that God hates fags and then a moment later that God loves us unconditionally.

They're even ignorant to their own scripture; its pathetic. I've personally read three different version of the Bible cover-to-cover (private schooling since kindergarten); it's all a bunch of crap that changes constantly based on what PEOPLE WANT it to say. Whenever I get into religious debates with a person of faith, they always end up embarrassing themselves. Pastor, bishop, Mormon -- always. The problem is that they are using a book to argue points and leaving out all of the other stuff that it says and acting as if it doesn't matter. Selective education is not education. Most know almost nothing about the faith that they preach so proudly, yet they condemn people based on it -- stubborn, ignorant, and pathetic.

Originally posted by Poofmander

. Try the Bonobo (aka the pygmy chimpanzee) on for size. An animal with 99% of the genetics you and I have and sex is rampant in their society, all sorts of sex.
.

And they are nearly extinct as well.

I love the comparison of the two islands.

Homosexuality is unnatural because it is a parasitic relatinship with heterosexual society.

Cant have your own offspring so you have to borrow from the natural order of things to get one.

Plus, like what was said earlier, the homosexual choice of lifestyle is dependent upon helping others choose to follow and agree that it is okay, and there are suspectible people out there that accomodate that.
Am I a bigot?

Sure, and you are choosing homosexual actions, so in my perception that is unnatural and therefore wrong.

You are parasitically riding the civil rights movement began by black people. they are born black and have no choice.
Parasite to the womens equal rights movement, as they are born female and have no choice.
So i was born a liar and a thief. I choose to not do those things.
I was born rotten to the core and learned that my base human nature would cause me lots of problems in life if I did not learn how to disciplien and control it.

Originally posted by Unst0ppable0ne
OP, if I were you I would just give up. A lot of ATS members are homosexuals. When you start a topic that explains your dislike for their lifestyle, they will snap at you, call you unintelligent, and call you many other names because you don't accept their disgusting life style, and then... they will even suggest that you are a homosexual yourself because you dislike them, and they erroneously think it is some type of repressed feelings.

Likeing and accepting homosexuality is the new fad, so even some heterosexuals will call you names because you don't fit in. It's like highschool all over again, if you don't like what everyone else likes, you are conisdered an outcast. Now, if you don't like homosexuality than you are an outcast. The homosexuals have successfully forced their lifestyle to be "cool", so don't ever talk against it or you will be ridiculed, saddly.

Were will it stop? It wont... Soon people who are sexually attracted to animals will beg for their lifestyle to be accepted like homosexuals. They will claim being attracted to a different species is natural because other animals sometimes try to mate with a different species. They will claim their love with animals is ok, and even go to court so they can marry their animals, and make beastieality acceptable too. Because.... they LOVE their animals.... "Whats better, laying with a human who you hate, or an animal that you love?" that is something they will say.

The truth is, sexual attraction is all governed by the mechanisms in the body and mind. People who are homosexual have different bodies and minds than heterosexuals. This means homosexuality is probably genetic. Some homosexuals will even compare homosexuality with eye color. When you have a kid, you never know what eye color they will be. However, if you are pregnant and you consume drugs, and toxins, and other unhealthy things that humanity has recently been consuming, you CAN effect genetics in your child. This could mean that homosexuality is a "birth defect" or "genetic disorder". But don't tell that to homosexuals, they can't handle the truth. You have to call it a "birth difference" so they don't cry.

If homosexuality is allowed to continue and be accepted, and homosexuals decided to reproduce, it will only spread in the gene pool and get worse. Like if people with blue eyes are allowed to reproduce more, their would be higher chances of blue eyed kids. This is why I think homosexuality should be looked at as a birth defect.

Heterosexuality is what is normal, and homosexuality is abnormal, and that is proven with statistics. There are more heteros than homos, this means hetero is more natural than homo.

Now, many homos and heteros who can't handle my post will insult me or ask for proof, etc.. I am just going to ignore them because they have been brainwashed by "TPTB" into accepting homosexuality so that it can thrive and reduce the population in one of many ways.

Good luck!

Oh. I didn't know Sarah Palin was on ATS.

You can't say that homosexuality is unnatural since there are more straight people than gays...that's ridiculous. If there are more white people than blacks, does that mean being black is unnatural?

Originally posted by Come Clean
reply to post by whitl103

 

I love hypotheticals. Hypothetically speaking, if I put 50 men and 50 women on a planet what would that planet be like in 100 years? It would probably still exist provided they weren't wiped out by an asteroid. There would be families with children. Possibly grand children.

However, if I took 100 gay men and put them on a planet then what would that planet be like in 100 years? It would be just a group of old men. That's assuming they all lived to be over a hundred.

I think at some point gays must understand the evolutionary requirement of reproduction. Now this is going to sound tough for some to hear. Is it possible being gay is a biological defect?

Your hypothesis doesn't seem to work here my friend if you are relating being gay to a biological defect. Yes 50 men and 50 women would more than likely cause offspring and to put 100 gay men on a planet without any woman would mean there would be 100 old men (provided they all lived to a grand old age) but the variable isnt that they are gay which is stopping repoduction, it is the fact that there are no women, therefore, 100 straight men would have the same results. Further more, the 50 men and 50 women scenario could also produce homosexual behaviour. Now I have no statistical proof but this scenario has already happened on the biggest scale (our history), since the dawn of man homosexuality has been a part of our society, therefore I ask, what is more natural than this naturally occuring behaviour?

haydn_17 dont worry about the trolls thatll be all over this thread.

truth must be told, and it mainly hurts some people most of the time.

homosexuality can end civilization as we know it.

may the lord bless the courageous thoughts and bravery thats spewing from you.

reply to post by Mogul Flames


I am going to assume you are confirming the post above since you offer it up again.

Gay might be a defect?

This is a little like Hitler deciding dark eyes and hair are a defect.

It is like calling people who are left handed because MOST people are right handed... defective.

So no.
This is ridiculous ignorance rooted in religious dogma.
The type of dangerous, privileged, elitist thinking educated people are trying to rid the world of.

Originally posted by Cobra.EXE
haydn_17 dont worry about the trolls thatll be all over this thread.
homosexuality can end civilization as we know it.

Well that is a little overly optimistic don't you think?

Civilization, as we know it, needs a change alright, but I wouldn't count on this being the be-all end-all.

Though it would be nice to think so.

reply to post by rusethorcain


Sorry no, I came across it whilst looking for my own post in case someone had commented and wanted a response, had to edit after as I've never replied to a post before and hit it too soon.

reply to post by slugger9787


what's interesting though, those hormones would also be in the water of primitive tribes, and be more abundant if the population density was high...ya see, we women don't need the pill to expell extrogen out of our system...we produce our own naturally, and it is expelled.
which is why I say that I think that homosexuality just might mother nature's way of reducing the population herself!

The thing is, there are many things different about humans. Mainly our intelligence.
Our intelligence and self awareness sets us apart.
You use animals as an example of the standard baseline for what is natural/unnatural.
But our intelligence alone would therefore make us unnatural.
It is the root cause of everything 'different' about us, and you cannot pick apart every single byproduct of this phenomena, let alone say which is right or wrong.

Originally posted by Cobra.EXE
haydn_17 dont worry about the trolls thatll be all over this thread.

You won't need to, they're all on your side.

truth must be told, and it mainly hurts some people most of the time.

Looks like you're taking it pretty badly.

homosexuality can end civilization as we know it.

But heterosexuality is at high more risk of doing just that. Now that you're done regurgitating non-facts, I guess we can get back to reality. Guess I'll do the research for you breeders, even though what you do is disgusting and you're a burden to society by reproducing:

By 1960, the world population had reached 3 billion; it doubled to 6 billion over the next four decades. As of 2009, the estimated annual growth rate was 1.10%, down from a peak of 2.2% in 1963, and the world population stood at roughly 6.7 billion. Current projections show a steady decline in the population growth rate, with the population expected to reach between 8 and 10.5 billion between the year 2040[4][5] and 2050.[6]

The InterAcademy Panel Statement on Population Growth, which was ratified by 58 member national academies in 1994, called the growth in human numbers "unprecedented", and stated that many environmental problems, such as rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, global warming, and pollution, were aggravated by the population expansion.[7] At the time, the world population stood at 5.5 billion, and optimistic scenarios predicted a peak of 7.8 billion by 2050, a number that current estimates show will be reached around 2030.[8]

American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) in their seminal work AAAS Atlas of Population & Environment, "Where do we stand in our efforts to achieve a sustainable world? Clearly, the past half century has been a traumatic one, as the collective impact of human numbers, affluence (consumption per individual) and our choices of technology continue to exploit rapidly an increasing proportion of the world's resources at an unsustainable rate. ... During a remarkably short period of time, we have lost a quarter of the world's topsoil and a fifth of its agricultural land, altered the composition of the atmosphere profoundly, and destroyed a major proportion of our forests and other natural habitats without replacing them.

Wiki

may the lord bless the courageous thoughts and bravery thats spewing from you.

You clearly don't know a damn thing about your own God and his teachings, stop acting like He condones your actions; you disgrace Christianity. He would tell you to mind that log in your eye, if you catch my drift -- probably not .

Good luck growing up.

Originally posted by Mogul Flames
reply to post by rusethorcain

 

Sorry no, I came across it whilst looking for my own post in case someone had commented and wanted a response, had to edit after as I've never replied to a post before and hit it too soon.

I apologize for assuming and should have given you the benefit of the doubt. Thank you for the clarification.