Truth

Originally posted by IAMIAM
An old wise man was speaking his truth to a class of students, yet his students were having a hard time

Truth has an infinity of meanings What one perceives to be truth is not always what another perceives. What a person perceives as truth one day can change the next. We are what we know and perceive and each individual is unique.

Originally posted by NorEaster
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

It ain't heavy, it's my water.

Unless it really is Heavy Water...
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Originally posted by IAMIAM
reply to post by sweetliberty

 

A wise man knows two things of water.

1. If its taste is bitter spit it out, it is poison to the body, mind, and soul;
But if its taste is sweet, drink up and be refreshed.

Sometimes the sweet tasting water is actually not good for you if it was polluted with sweet poison. Appearing and even tasting like that of healthy transparent crisp water doesn't necessarily mean it is good or healthy.
I guess that's when we seek and desire true water or better yet, which isle are the filters/purifiers located? Lol.

Our politicians, the government are a prime examples of the need for filters. Humm, I guess ATS can be considered a filter .

Thanks,
sl

The answer

If i give you MY water, would you drink it even you are that thirsty ? . Its a bit warm and stinky, warn ya.

If you drink - I win
If you dont drink, you are still thirsty you lose

Originally posted by RainCloud
The answer

If i give you MY water, would you drink it even you are that thirsty ?

. Its a bit stinky, warn ya.

If you drink -

I win
If you dont drink, you are still thirsty

you still lose

edit on 19-9-2010 by RainCloud because: (no reason given)

No star for you.

With love,

Your Brother

Truth have no limit

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Originally posted by RainCloud
Truth have no limit

2nd line

Ok ok I'll give you a star!

With love,

Your Brother

Truth

What do you consider truth? Do you consider it what really happend in the world of mankind? In that case the truth is merely the way you hold the prisma of objectiveness.
There are as many ways to know the truth of an intelligent and appearendly sentient race as there are opinions. Whole books have been written full about the truth and yet none of them actually holds the truth. Should one not contemplate the very usefullness of lies and of falsehood? Is someone truly fallen when he sees the truth merely by viewing the good of falsehood?

There was once a being amongst the living, the world of mankind. The being, cursed and ripped from its shell for not being able to bare the sacrifices made for others was punished for losing its sanity. Thus without shell and prisoned on earth leaped from human to human. Starting as unborn child and walking the earth till it's mask broke of old age and then reborn again in an unborn child. It viewed the world of mankind as foolish.

One day it heard of a human that claimed decendant of God. Curious the being searched for a moment to speak this so called decendant, for it had truth to be spoken. But each time this messiah was busy, other people where always around it. Then one day the messiah decided to fasten in the desert for four days and four nights. When the being walked the desert round he saw another person with the massiah and overheard that person trying to tempt the massiah to walk the path of falsehood. So the being waited till the person was gone. Finally, in the last night the being visited the messiah and asked;

"You claim to be the son of your God?"

The massiah anwsered; "I am the son of God, as are we all."

After hearing that the being removed its mask and the massiah was startled.

"Now that your word is no longer the truth, how will you uphold your words against others?"

The massiah remained silent for a moment;

"All are the sons and daughters of God. You may not be so but you are welcome in the house of my Father."

The being put its mask back on and replied;

"Will you tell the others that I exist, knowing it would cause great harm?"

The messiah thought and prayed. After some time he replied;

"I do not know."

The being said then; "I was never here and you have never met me."

And so it was not written, the great conversation between the messaih some 2000 years ago and the other being that is still dwelling the earth. Sometimess truth is better not to know in its absolutes, sometimes truth destroys more then lies. Somethings must not be unveiled, covers that shroud your sentience should not be undone.

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...well if I ever meet .. and Alien from off of this world.. I would be more than surprised .. I would smile..and my mind would fill with many questions.. .. I just hope that being has some answers.. and time for the questions...

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My friend,

Truth is but a mask one wears to cloak the delicate nature of the soul, nay even the soul IS the Truth. That part which resides at the core of our being, that much is the Truth. That is what shall be judged the measure of a Man. The veils and frilly trappings we lay upon it and call truth, are but our projection of what we hope the outer world will see as our pure and fragile selves. One who weighs another's truth on the balance of judgement with eyes blind by self projection, can easily detect a falsehood in another's character. But, when one gazes into the very being past our various masks and deceptions, behold there is Truth in all of us. Each shall be weighed accordingly, in balance with the other.

Judge not, Love all, be at peace

With Love,

Your Brother

Hi Popeye. Your riddle appears to be an "orientalized" version of the famous legend of St. Augustine and the Christ-child, playing on the sea shore.

In the story, the great Saint is walking on the beach, contemplating the mystery of the Trinity, attempting to somehow understand the perhaps incomprehensible, when he sees a little boy at play. The child has dug a small hole in the sand, and was going back and forth, emptying water into his hole in the sand. The holy man stopped, and asked him what he was doing. The boy responded simply that he was going to empty the entire ocean into the hole. Augustine laughed and said, "Well, that's impossible!" The boy then said something like, "What you are trying to do is far more impossible!"

At that point, Augustine realized who the child was, and connected the surreal experience to his contemplations.

The moral of the story might be similar to one you are getting at. Truth is like the ocean. Endless. It can't fit in a hole, or a cup, or our heads. Our minds, our "being" perhaps, finite in nature, can never contain the whole of truth (or reality).

And yet, many might say that we have an insatiable thirst for truth.or knowledge, etc.

This seemingly leads to a contradiction. We are apparently finite, and yet we also seem to be "programmed" to desire the infinite.

And a whole lot of philosophy, and religion, can unfold from there!

JR

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There is much wisdom in that tale my friend, and indeed the parallels are remarkable. Then again, many vessels bare close resemblance, when carrying water to the wise man.

Thank you for the addition.

With Love,

Your Brother

I believe the premise of this piece of wisdom is simply: For every question answered, there is another question to ask. In other words, he is never satisfied and continues to want more. If I was one of the students I wouldn've just re-routed the river to his feet.

Truth is a qualification. The description of a determination. It exists, but only in reference to what does or does not physically exist. Poets and songwriters present Truth in personification but we know better than to believe that Truth is actually physical. And yet, it grants a definitive level of identity, and in that, it is fundamental to all that does exist as physical.

True is an extremely definable, absolutely rigid comparative description of state of being, but does not affect the state of being in itself. And yet, nothing that physically exists can resist what Truth provides all that exists, as it hovers over reality, and remains clean and unaffected. It’s that separation between the physical something and its accurate depiction, where truth either does or does not reside.

I have placed the other end of this very long straw into yonder river. Drink, my friend, to your heart's content. Alternatively, I could walk with you to the river and you can drink as much as you like.

[edit] Maybe if I spoke some of my truth to you instead, you could drink and take a break from talking. Or maybe if I would just hurry up and learn whatever it is you are trying to teach me... [/edit]

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Bring a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he will eat for a lifetime. A very good parable.

Let me extend the thought: have the people in power, or even the lower class themselves, decided to make a society where they go out of their way to make learning to fish illegal so that everyone has to live day by day?

The lower class might do this to themselves out of disdain for the rich, in other words their bitterness hurts themselves. This whole idea if renting the lake seems to have taken off in the liberal world lately, after all (which is why I have been disgusted with liberals lately but still a moderate). I've had more than a few friends with the attitude that people who "learn to fish" are evil or stealing from the poor somehow.

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I think another way to look at that parable is to point out that the teacher was not drinking from the water that was brought to him.

Meaning... the teacher tried giving a little bit of truth, but they did not understand.

He gave more, but still they did not understand.

He gave more and more, but still, they did not understand.

He could dump all the oceans of wisdom on their heads and they would not be satisfied...

But, before your thirst can be quenched, you must first drink. And then, you must wait for the water to hydrate your body.

My Friends,

Thank you all for posting on this thread. I posted it just to share something I wrote. However, the thread took a life of its own that was totally unexpected. I did not in my wildest dreams expect to play the part of the wise man. I did it with the first poster as a joke, then it hit me with the second poster what kind of opportunity I had here. We actually lived the post.

Here is my interpretation, what I was trying to convey. It is no more wise than anything posted here by anyone else, which was kinda the point.

The wise man was telling the students parables of Truth and grew tired because of their questioning. It wasn't because they were not getting the material, it was because their quest for the Truth is insatiable. The wise man was running out of parables! So he sent them on a mission for water.

The water represents Truth, the River is the great source of Truth (Life), and the containers represent the students and the wise man. We are all containers which we carry our truth around. We share it with others because we have a natural desire to KNOW each other. Usually we only share our container, for the truth of ourselves is kept for our most intimate friends. The Wise man could never have his thirst quenched just as we can never have our thirst for the Truth in all things quenched.

There were one or two posts which I rejected while playing the wise man, who wants to drink stinky water?? But, isn't that how we react to the truth we find out about each other? If we find it distasteful, we reject it. Granted, maybe it was perfectly fine water, but it met my bias and I rejected it.

It's been an interesting post, and I encourage all who visit to make a small deposit of truth, that this wise man might one day quench his thirst. The Truth is within you!

Thank you again my friends,

With Love,

Your Brother

What is Truth to one may not be Truth to another, when even Truth matters not, is when no untruth can be found.

Water is symbolic of the essence of life, spiritual speaking it nourishes the flow of truth and knowledge, if you cannot be satisfactorily nourished, you need to go to a different source,
The student is the teacher, we teach what we most need to learn ourselves.