You don't mutilate your daughters - why do you mutilate your sons ? (Discussion concerning human se

Originally posted by Darkrunner
If I hadn't been circumcised as an infant, I would get it done as an adult.

End of story.

And this is proof of what and relates to the thread how?

this line is holding a place for the second line.

Originally posted by die_another_day
I don't have much of a say in this, but...

If it's so bad, why does it even exist? Wouldn't natural selection take care of ti?

Does the same apply to impacted wisdom teeth, and inflamed appendixes? Sometimes, removing something that has a good chance of causing trouble down the road, but otherwise has little affect on one's quality of life, is a good idea.

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by die_another_day
I don't have much of a say in this, but...

If it's so bad, why does it even exist? Wouldn't natural selection take care of ti?

Does the same apply to impacted wisdom teeth, and inflamed appendixes? Sometimes, removing something that has a good chance of causing trouble down the road, but otherwise has little affect on one's quality of life, is a good idea.

An imacted wisdom tooth is defective. An inflamed appendix is defective. A healthy foreskin is NOT defective and is highly unlikely to cause problems down the road. You are removing a piece of your body that should not be removed. You are arguing against evolution and nature. It's an argument you can not win.

Tell me this. What do you think the foreskin is there for? Why did Mother Nature put a sheath of skin over the end of your appendage? Do you think it was a mistake? Do you think evolution done goofed? Or if you're a religious guy, did your God take his eye off the ball for a moment when designing the winky? And how do you feel about the savage pain circumcision causes babies?

Originally posted by ohhwataloser
I always got told that the reason behind it was to last longer and it makes sense to me. if you think it deprives me of sexual pleasure....lmao how wrong you are. I'm glad I got it done.

So what you're saying is, because of your circumcision you have less feeling in your penis.

Well Hell that's changed my mind! Now where's that scalpel...

Jeez.

reply to post by InterestedUK


It looks like a dog penis. Foreskin may have served a purpose, BEFORE underwear. But now, we wear protective clothing, which also causes moisture, and bacteria to build up. So move to a nudist colony, or have a filthy dong. I don't really care. Be happy with who YOU are, and I'll be happy with who I am. Also, I'm not religious at all, so it has nothing to do with that.

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by brutalsun

 

The clitoris is equivalent to the whole member, its a little penis. It is what is urinated out of and orgasm as well. And they take huge chunks of flesh, which we're not going into detail. It would be like cutting off your member, and partial castration as well. Period. The end result is this. Many males have always survived circumscision. Far less girls do. All males still funciton and orgasm. No girls do. Using anothers body like that for your own pleasure is another definition of what I call RAPE, on top of mutlilation beyond what is done to boys and gross abuse, and injustice and sexual slavery of girls. The two will never compare. Learn physiology. If you read that in a report, that scientist deserves to be fired and disbanded from whatever orgs he belongs to, for its a blatant lie..

edit on 18-9-2010 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

Never said anything about pros or cons of female or male circumcision did I? I merely corrected the OP's misconception on anatomy. The clitoris is erectile tissue, the foreskin is not. The glans is erectile tissue, the prepuce (clitoral hood) is not. That is all. Please re-read my post.
Second... females do not urinate out of the clitoris, while there is a shaft, a "head" and the anatomy is similar... it is also very different. The urethra is moved several millimeters below whereas on the male it is an integral part of the glans and the shaft of the penis. Castration would involve removing the ovaries which are female gonads which are equal to male testicles. The clitoris is in no way attached to the ovaries.

About time someone raised this as obviously religious based and not science based.

I have never followed the logic on this one; evolutionary we have it there for a reason [even a neutral reason]; religious wise, we are created in the eyes of God and then decide to lob bits off that the almighty, all knowing did not get quite right.

Circumcisn on a child is nothing less than Child Abuse, no different to chopping somones floppy ear off.

Vital thread!

Well for me, as someone who was circumcised at the age of 5, this thread has been truly saddening and shocking to finally know what actually occurred -physiologically- 13 years ago. You wouldn't believe the amount of people who have talked to me and reassured me that circumcision is not a significant procedure other than the traditions associated with it.

I was mutilated because of some sort of infection which caused my genitals to become inflamed and swell up when i urinated. Im not aware of the exact details, but from what i do know, these operations are not essential, and anti-biotics would have been just as effective.. but instead the quick chop is what was what they decided upon.

It's a curious memory, and a strange feeling to know that one of the few erogenous zones in my body has been mutilated and there is nothing i can do to change that... im just thinking about how deep the trauma from such a procedure goes...

like really, what are the spiritual implications for example.. seeing as this is all in the base chakra region, it does make some sort of sense to me that my only truly deep spiritual experiences were just before the age of 5, and most experiences after that were in my current recollection far less intense than those at a younger age.. i had a sense of truly being grounded in each experience at a younger age... whereas nothing has the same vibrant quality in my memory after that age.. this is complete speculation obviously.. but i dont think the trauma from my procedure helped my development at that age!

Luckily i was asleep when they chopped me, but i do remember the EXTREMELY confusing period after waking up again.. i was soo scared because i did not have a clue where i was or what had happened to me... thinking back that confusion was highly profound, i just cried and cried thinking in the bed, alone desperately wanting to talk to my mum, but she was at home asleep and i had to stay there all night not properly even understanding why i was there or why my penis felt so naked and awkwardly painful. After going home though, i think i pretty much forgot about it and have just accepted it ever since.. this thread has opened my eyes though, thank you OP. This procedure must be banned!

reply to post by 27jd

gotta get the bullet out of the chamber.

Mate, we were all very familiar with the concept of unloading the gun to prevent a missfire! The bloke I'm talking about could go like a porn star at the age of 14...
Regarding function tho, how old are you?

Removal of the foreskin is religion-motivated in some places, so it can carry that stigma in some minds. I personally don't attribute that to a Jewish conspiracy, but I suppose some folk will.

You are confusing apples and oranges here, lady. I suspect you are not in a position to see the difference or cruel cultural practices such in the far East where female mutilation is done to pre-punish them versus in more civilized, knowledge-based areas where male "mutilation" is done for more humane reasons.

It is a CHOICE done on males for the purpose of better health (lower incidence of STDs) and--not often discussed by mothers--increased sexual satisfaction. Even if it is a Jewish conspiracy, (BTW my doc's name was Michaels) I like it.

What have your son's said when'if the opportunity arose for them to make the decision for their son's?

reply to post by InterestedUK


Why do we have a spleen?

reply to post by brutalsun


All the little details your arguing, do not stop what it is equivalent too, and most aware people know this including professionals.

Originally posted by Aliensun
What have your son's said when'if the opportunity arose for them to make the decision for their son's?

My two sons are in their 30s, and neither would have their own sons circumcised. They like being "natural". I was listening to them recently trying to dissuade a friend from getting his baby circumcised.

Excuse me, but isn't circumcision a Jewish tradition? why should an American that is of no Jewish origin be circumcised?

reply to post by silo13


Um, anytime a baby goes under anesthesia, they are restrained. That is also a reason why parents are not allowed to be a room when a baby or young child wakes up from anesthesia, because a child is confused and comes out upset and fighting, and many parents can't handle it.

I have had to restrain my child too: get shots and restrain my child get haircuts and I have restrained my child to give him medicine.

Don't be so dramatic.

I am totally against ANY genital surgery on babies. I think circumcision is a terrible thing to do because the person to whom it's being done doesn't have a say in the matter. The reasons people have done it in the past have been proven to be false.

I have been with circumcised and uncircumcised men and I prefer un.

I am totally against surgery on hermaphrodites, too. They should let the child grow up a little and see if they are actually a boy or a girl before lopping off sex organs. It's heartbreaking to see the people who have grown up, knowing they were born with the proper sex organs, but their parents just HAD to have the answer to "Is it a boy or girl?" so they cut something off.

It's terrible.

At first I thought that this topic would be an interesting read, but it quickly snowballed into stupidity.