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You raise some good points.

People who say ''look at all the problems that religion has caused'' always neglect to acknowledge the good points and advantages that religion has to offer.

The problem to me, with religion, is when it becomes politicised and the organisation exploits its power.

The Catholic Church is an obvious example of that, as in all intents and purposes, the Vatican is just an overly powerful political entity, with little to do with spirituality.

The Cardinal, by referring to the UK as "like a third world country" was referring to Britain's multicultural society, that's according to the Vatican itself, as if that is not offensive.

The Cardinal was comparing the UK to a "third world country" in a negative manner, which shows you how much The Vatican has disdain for both "the third world" and the UK.

The Vatican's refusal of the acceptance of contraception (which has had a devastating effect in Africa and elsewhere) and official refusal of the acceptance of gay rights just shows how out of touch The Vatican is, holed up behind those walls "defended" by guards dressed as rhubarb and custard.

The Pope was in the Hitler Youth, which the MSM says or suggests, was out of no choice of his. Hmmm and then he becomes head of the Catholic Church, which has a Cardinal close to him who views multicultural UK "like a third world country" (Nick Griffin would be proud of this statement), views homosexuality as a perversion (but not bothered too much about paedophilia, apparently) and which views contraception and women's rights with disdain which can be described as misogyny, and also shows disdain towards Islam and Judaism.

See the pattern here? Sounds like a continuing pattern of fascism to me.

The Vatican has never got over the fact England, and later the UK, split from The Catholic Church and set up the Church of England and formed the basis of the Protestant movement.

That sounds a crazy thing to say what with that occuring hundreds of years ago, but unfortunatly, with The Vatican being steeped in tradition, they pick over and mull over old disputes for nothing better to do, and losing England as an influence was a stand of defiance to them that led to aggressive attempts to convert England back down history, long-term failures that really grates to this day, especially considering Britain then became the most influential and powerful nation in the world for a long time with Protestantism as it's 'moral ethos'.

Note the recent attempt by The Vatican to recruit dissaffected members of the Anglican Church, much to the anger of the Anglican Church.

I often feel that Catholics, who are often increasingly embarrassed by the eccentricities of the Vatican, should go it alone, together. They don't need a pseudo-state headed by a dictator elected by a cabal to tell them how best to worship and revere their God and all that is considered most holy in their faith.

They don't need that middle-man, telling you how to be worship.

Individual Priests I am sure, are excellent examples to their community, as are Catholics, just like anybody else of a faith, not of a faith, or agnostic.

But organised religion means that religion can be intrepreted by those who deem themselves and who are deemed by acolytes as authorities on religion based on their own beliefs, for their own agendas.

And it's then that religion stops being the inspiration and hope it should bring, and becomes instead a self-serving racket for those considered "religious authorities" at the detriment of the worshippers.

Originally posted by 547000
By what many britons post in the interwebs, I'm pretty much convinced many are aggressive atheists and are in love with socialism.

Better to remain silent and be thought of a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

But thanks for the laugh.

Originally posted by Regensturm
The Cardinal, by referring to the UK as "like a third world country" was referring to Britain's multicultural society, that's according to the Vatican itself, as if that is not offensive.

The Cardinal was comparing the UK to a "third world country" in a negative manner, which shows you how much The Vatican has disdain for both "the third world" and the UK.

The Vatican has already shown its disdain for third-world countries before, by actively discouraging birth control amongst Catholics in poorer regions of the world.

OK, I know that they don't believe that people should use contraception, but you only need to look at the birth rates in some first-world Catholic countries, such as Italy, to see that most adherents ignore this advice.

Therefore, to actively discourage the use amongst people who may be from a country that is less informed about these things, is terrible.

reply to post by john_bmth


The question is, do you? The textbook definition is workers owning the means of production but the ideals behind it involve the conflict between individualism versus collectivism and economic freedom versus social freedom. If we look at it that way, Socialism and Communism are very close together.

I recommend reading some Mises.

Anyway, this thread is not about that. Make a thread about it if you want to debate it.

reply to post by Regensturm


Why am I a fool for saying what I think based on my own experiences? I'm allowed to think whatever the hell I want.

reply to post by BlueOrb


as this is sourced from the " daily fail " does any one have a backtrack to the unamed " german magazine " where the alleged quote was made ?

this is not a critique of the OP who is simply reporting whats written in a brittish tabloid

i dont trust brittish tabloids

reply to post by Regensturm


Great post. Like it a lot.

For me, whether you call it the Vatican City, Holy Sea, or whatever, essentially it's still part of Italy. Italy, as with Germany, still has a reputation for Fascism, and as with Germany it will take more than one generation to lose the ideaologies that were taken on board in thier alliance with the Nazis in the lead up to and during WWII (of course, they changes sides eventually - can't be trusted!!).

The Italians recently provided something like 10 million dollars (might be pounds even) to provide patrol boats to Libya to prevent African migrants from setting sail for Italy, so it's obvious where they stand on immigration of the coloured variety (funny thing is they shot up an Italina fishing boat in the last few days, by mistake they reckon, but over a 20 minute period.:lol. A case of "Not in My Back Yard".

Prince Phillip and the Pope in the same room - that should be good for a laugh!

Another thing - the word "organised". Yes, i know what it means, but isn't it interesting that probably the two most common usages (that readily spring to mind), are Organised Crime and Organised Religion........

reply to post by ignorant_ape


It was also all over the news bulletins on TV last night, and the culprit has now been pulled from the visit (or if you believe it, is too sick to travel).

I will look for the link, if it's out there at all....

Il have you know Heathrow is a good airport it is rated 3073rd in the world just behind Mogadishu airport Somalia.

Originally posted by BlueOrb
As far as i am concerned, religion is a support system for weak people, who can';t get through life on their own.

So, are you saying that some races are inherently ''weak'' ?

Considering that the percentage of people with religious affiliations fluctuates between races, it would appear so.

70% of Slovaks are religious, compared to only 30% of their neighbouring Czechs. Why do you think that so many Slovaks are ''weak'', as opposed to their neighbours ?

reply to post by ignorant_ape


www.focus.de...

It looks like the comments in question are made in the current edition of FOCUS magazine in Germany. LInk to a current article claiming that the article is hitting the healdines in UK is attached.

Originally posted by BlueOrb
The Italians recently provided something like 10 million dollars (might be pounds even) to provide patrol boats to Libya to prevent African migrants from setting sail for Italy, so it's obvious where they stand on immigration of the coloured variety

There are three quarters of a million Africans who live in Italy, which considering they only had a small and short-lived colonial empire, is a large number.

It is unfair to suggest that they don't like ''coloured'' immigrants.

The truth of the matter is that most illegal immigration in Italy comes from Africa, so if they want to clamp down on illegal immigrants, then that is the most sensible place to try and stem the tide.

reply to post by Sherlock Holmes


I don't think specific people, races, or any other defining characteristic are weak.

All i am saying that in my opinion - from a standpoint of someone who doesn't believe or follow a religion - those people who are "religious", use ity as a crutch in life to get through the bad times, and believe that their "faith" determines their outcome in life. This has been the case for centuries, and in this modern world, iu would suggest that people are religious, because their parents and granparents were, and theirs before them.

The only possible benefit from religion is comfort. Unless someone can suggest anything else it brings?

I'm not saying that people shouldn't subscribe to religion if that's what they need - just saying it's not for me.

Originally posted by BlueOrb
reply to post by Regensturm

 

Great post. Like it a lot.

For me, whether you call it the Vatican City, Holy Sea, or whatever, essentially it's still part of Italy. Italy, as with Germany, still has a reputation for Fascism, and as with Germany it will take more than one generation to lose the ideaologies that were taken on board in thier alliance with the Nazis in the lead up to and during WWII (of course, they changes sides eventually - can't be trusted!!).

Thanks. I've been to Germany, the Germans are at last finally coming to terms with their past and becoming comftable with their national identity once more.

I tend to think the older generations in many countries, particulary those who fought in WW2 or saw WW2, are people who can serve younger generations warnings about Fascism.

It worries me what will happen when they vanish. Will their warnings from history be handed down? Let us hope so.

Originally posted by BlueOrb
The Italians recently provided something like 10 million dollars (might be pounds even) to provide patrol boats to Libya to prevent African migrants from setting sail for Italy, so it's obvious where they stand on immigration of the coloured variety (funny thing is they shot up an Italina fishing boat in the last few days, by mistake they reckon, but over a 20 minute period.:lol

. A case of "Not in My Back Yard".

And then you have Gaddafi talking about Europe's immigration "problems" as Berlusconi's new pen pal....contributing to the anti-immigrant agenda in return for Italian investment.

From Mad Dog to Lap Dog, it seems.

Originally posted by BlueOrb
Prince Phillip and the Pope in the same room - that should be good for a laugh!

Makes you wonder why they did not invite Nick Griffin, doesn't it?

Originally posted by BlueOrb
Another thing - the word "organised". Yes, i know what it means, but isn't it interesting that probably the two most common usages (that readily spring to mind), are Organised Crime and Organised Religion........

You're onto something there.

Originally posted by 547000

Why am I a fool for saying what I think based on my own experiences? I'm allowed to think whatever the hell I want.

Because what you think has no basis in reality or fact, and that really shows.

Well, take my memories, then you will a basis for my personal thoughts.

Heathrow is a dump.

I have been to a few "Third World" airports - Bankok and Jakarta stand out as two that put Heathrow to shame.

Truth hurts, I guess.

reply to post by vox2442


In the explanations that seem to be coming out to defend the remarks, they are citing the people working there, rather than the airport itself, which seems to point to the "Third World" remarks being more about the people, than the shoddiness of the airport.

If it were only about the state of the airport, i think most people would agree wholeheartedly.

It will all change soon in any case, as Terminals 1,2 are in for a big change - i believe they are being knocked down and new terminals joined together as part of further redevelopment by the airports authority.

Originally posted by vox2442
Heathrow is a dump.

I have been to a few "Third World" airports - Bankok and Jakarta stand out as two that put Heathrow to shame.

Truth hurts, I guess.

I think the Thai's and Indonesians would take offence themselves at YOU describing them as third world.

That said, the actual definition of third world is the non-aligned countries during the cold war so with that definition they would fit, but not in the derogatory sense that is being bandied around on this thread and by the German Cardinal.

A third world nation could be economically developed or just the reverse, it had nothing to do with the state the country was in. Just an illustration of the ignorance surrounding this whole farce.

reply to post by Sherlock Holmes


That was a very perceptive and incisive comment; well done Sir.

I get really annoyed by 'religion bashers' who quote the crusades (or whatever) as the reason religion is 'evil'. No-one person or group of people should be judged according to their religious affiliations or otherwise - they should be judged according to their actions and contributions (or lack thereof) to society.

Religions (and the structures, establishments underlying them) are too widely and thinly spread, integrated throughout multiple levels of any given society, transnational and pan-generational. It is therefore very rare that 'religion' is purely to blame for any of the ills which it has been/ is associated with. We're stewing in a complex 'socio-religious-economic soup', and history is the agreed upon version of events, suited to the perspectives and interests of the historians.

M'eh. The never-ending debate.