The Islamization Of America Is Upon Us

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by Logarock

You really should post some of the crazy things muslims have been saying in this country say before 1970. When Islam in this country developed into a force or a platform it was a black activist platform racist and vindictive.

Don't be dumb. Islam was not Black Activisit...Black Activist was often Islam....KKK Christian...Does not make Christians KKK.

You understand the difference? Honesty should supercede idealogy or rhetoric. You don't do yourself favors by pretending to be ignorant to make a point.

Well, there's the distinct possibility that Logarock isn't pretending at all...

I'm starting to think the ATS hate-trolls are just as ignorant as their posts make them appear.

reply to post by wakeUpOrDie


Your wrong it's all about the constitutional rights. It's not just incidents in the new york episode about mosques.

Take a look for yourself: www.rawstory.com...

www.ksdk.com...

www.ibtimes.com...

www.nydailynews.com...

This is about hate not about one imam. I would agree with you only if the people protesting said oh we don't want them to build here because the imam was part of the plot of terrorism. I would say ok that may be a valid argument as to why not allow the building to be built. Yet most never said that they kept saying no they can't build here because it's too soon. Some comments indicated that they were saying that Muslims equals terrorism.

I ask why have protest all over the U.S about other buildings being built. Im my home state there were bags of the holy book pages in them with their poo it it and the bags were lit up and thrown at the holy places in my state.
P.S for the record I am not a religious person. I am muslim but I am born in the U.S and lived in the U.S all my life. So for me I would tell the imam in new york to build the building else where just to keep the peace. I really could care less about the event. The only thing I care right now is the hate that is spread all over the U.S. I 3 weeks ago went to the ice cream shop that is a outdoor type shop. I was in line and I was wearing american clothes. i never wear any middle eastern since I wear american eagle and other clothing. I notice this guy that was looking at me. The line was long and the line zig zags from left to right so there was a point were we had to cross each other I was moving to the left and he was moving to the right. He hate a hateful look on his face when he was looking at me. He asked me am I Muslim. I said yes and he goes why don't you blank leave this country and blow up your own country. I told him sir I don't blow nothing up and I lived his all my life. He then said well your going back on our country siding with them. He was like you should quickly conver to Christianity. I told him I am not a religious person and I could really careless. He then told me to leave this place. He was like only american can have ice cream. no middle easterners are allowed to eat our ice cream cuz we don't worship the devil. I ignored him. Yet everyone was staring at us. Most of the people in line seem to not like this guy since he cussed out in front of kids. There were kids their asking there mom what is that guy upset about. They even asked what are those words he used. They just said it's nothing don't worry about it honey.

I share all this to prove that there is hatred and this hatred is spreading like wild fire across the U.S. If your a true American then you must believe in the constitution. This means freedom. Everyone has a right to their opinion even if it is hatred against someone as long they don't do anything violent or disturb the peace then they can do whatever they want. This episode you brought up about New York isn't about the Imam itself. The protests are sparked by hatred towards muslims ever since 9/11.
I showed you new sources that comfirms just a few protests across the country. There have been some in my state so don't go on ranting that this isn't about the constitutional rights. The place I go at times had bee protested on 9/11 and this place bee there since 1985. The imam is from the same family. I say that your statement isn't right.

edit on 16-9-2010 by computerwiz32 because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I regret to inform the religious, who have chosen to not get along with one another, that the non-religious have come to a consensus in regards to this and will be opening the FEMA Camps forthwith to beginning housing and exterminating you all.

It's always JUST ABOUT to happen, isn't it?

I remember that in the 1990s when Clinton was president, I'd see people on the BBSes (yes, THAT LONG AGO) saying that he was building FEMA camps for dissidents and they were going to start rounding them up any day...how did that turn out?

I will give you credit - at least you aren't like the "Rapture is imminent" people who actually give specific dates so they can be ridiculed once they pass. No, you leave it at some indeterminate point in the future. Well done.

But, if there are FEMA camps, maybe I'll see you there. Look up to the guard towers. I'll be the one waving.

It's not about the person it's about what the religion stands for and it's practices. Anyone should be welcomed to a free Republic as long as they do not incite violence and have disregard for the laws of the land. And we assimilate to our new home not distant ourselves.
Today this world we live in is very confused, and troubled like no other time before it. It also seems that no one can really agree on anything. What use to be straight forward is not anymore, there is so many lies and cheating with greed going on in epidemic proportions, and it would be great if there were a common sense pill that all those sick ones could take. The baby keeps getting thrown out with the bath water, what was once white is now black, and I'm not talking about people, it's just a figure of speech.
I'm sure that some person that is still asleep will disagree with this post or reply.

reply to post by TheAmused


And once again by "will never be happy until they get there way and sharia law is passed in america."

you are referring to extremists. believe me common muslims dont care for that crap. I know because I am muslim, my whole family is muslim, and I know of at least 100 muslim families in or around Sydney, Australia. And yet even more family and friends over in the USA. believe me when i tell you NONE of us common working class muslims(a term everybody generally uses when they mean extremists). Common working class muslims dont want that, we are just happy to be leading a better life. My parents brought me here from Bosnia. I have no intention on trying to implement sharia law, and as far as i know neither do any one of my family or friends. Also you guys should remember that not all muslims are arabs. Like myself for example.

-b0s-

Originally posted by ohsnaptruth
reply to post by Alxandro

 

My dad was born to a hardcore super Christian, gun toting, homophobic KKK family in Indiana.

Given his time in the military, extensive knowledge, and love of learning new cultures, he thinks Christianity is more fantastical than real. He likes Islam much more because it hasn't been miscued by the masses over thousands of years.

He's still a gun toting homophone but some things you just can't change I guess.

Might I suggest another thread for you to read?
It's this one here: www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread611427/pg1

I hope it clarifies a few misconceptions you see on the news.
Remember who the news is working for.

edit on 9/16/10 by ohsnaptruth because: (no reason given)

Islam hasn't been miscued by the masses pulease... what a crock...

After this thread, I am even more convinced that Religion can be one of the biggest divisive tools ever invented.

That it breeds total MORONIC behavior in those not intelligent enough to value logic.

That Religion is a zero sum, lose lose endeavor.

That Religion has become a weapon and no longer viable.

That America has become one of the saddest nations to ever exist while exclaiming to be 'civilized'.

America is done for...if this madness continues.

This is the last time I'm gonna comment on this ridiculous thread. I gotta go shopping. I wonder how many "scary Muslims" I'll run into in the parking lot.

OH WAIT, that's right, they aren't the ones standing on the corner flagging me down for work, or selling me food without a permit, or looking at me like I'm their enemy, in the hospital rooms jam packed, in the schoolyards taking every last bit of PUBLIC FUNDS my state has, taking jobs, introducing more and more laws that mimic their HOMELAND, forcing the rest of us to adapt to their culture, infiltrating city/county and state government, hoisting THEIR FLAGS ON AMERICAN STREETS AND PROCLAIMING THEY ARE GOING TO REVIVE "AZTLAN"....

Nope, it's the "Muslims" that are out to get us. Forget any very REAL threat in our backyard. Yessireeeeee BOB, those "MUSLIMS" are gonna get ya. Muslims that for some reason have advanced cloaking devices because in LOS ANGELES I can barely see any evidence of their existence.

You stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid FOOLS.

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


I am muslim, I have already stated my opinion on the subject in a previous post.

Originally posted by GoodLuckCharm
I'm Muslim.
To the haters, I realize you don't care about anything I say, but I'll just say one thing, don't let your hate grow so much that it blinds you and destroys your values and self. All I can really say is good luck, I hope for peace not confrontation, not terror, not fear. That's all ... I hope me saying "I'm Muslim" did not make you immediately close your eyes, plug your ears and seal your heart to anything I have to say.

Anyway, whether some of you are trolling or not, whether you are looking for a certain response, nor not, I can't free you from what response you want, or the hate you feel, all I can do, is wish you luck on getting past it in the future.

GoodLuckCharm, appreciate your post.

Since you are Muslim, I just want you to know I do care about what you have to say.
I do not close my eyes or plug my ears, I really care BUT at the same time, I sure hope you are being sincere when you state you "hope for peace not confrontation, not terror, not fear".

I realize by starting this thread I may sound like I'm an angry, paranoid, racist and hateful person, but I want you and all your apologetic appeasers to know that I am neither. I try to get along with everyone I meet, everytime, everywhere and anywhere I go.
There have been many that have been quick to call me a racist, but these are the lazy people that conveniently grab the first label they can reach for simply because it's low lying fruit. Surely they know that Muslim is not a race.

I'm sure you were including me when you addressed "the haters", but I am not offended because it is not hate I am feeling.
By personally addressing you directly, you should know this is an extremely rare moment for me here on ATS, I am not being comical, cynical or sarcastic here, I'm being extremly sincere.
So I want you to know that it is not HATE that I feel or have towards Muslims, ...it's more like DISTRUST.

It's distrust because I have heard many voilent and non voilent radicals call for Islamic world domination, and not once have I ever heard any of the non radicals speak up and correct them.
Perhaps you can explain to me why this is the case because I want to know why they keep quiet.

I'm well aware that there are many peaceful Muslims in the world, but they are never or hardly ever heard from.
Never have they denounced the atrocious acts by the extremists that give your fate a bad name.
I'm sure everyone can agree on this, whether they choose to admit it or not.
Sure there will be some that once again will be quick to place another label on me for stating this fact, but I'm calling you out to correct me if I happen to be wrong.

If you want to talk about bias and hate why not talk about this?
With all the anti-Christian sentiments we keep hearing about almost daily all you have to do is notice an ever increasing pattern to know that, you can't ____ if you're a Christian but you can if you are Muslim.

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Pop Quiz:

Unless you are Muslim,
A) you can't pray in school ...
B) you can't take a break at work to pray ...
C) you can make fun of the central figure of a religion ...
D) you can draw, photoshop and joke about this figure ...
E) you can dip this figure in a jar of urine and call it art ...
F) you can make comments to offend any religion ...
G) all of the above

Answer: G
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...and this list keeps growing, if people can't see this they are either blind or extremely stupid.


I'm well aware that Christians, once upon a time, conquered the world by sword using a "convert or die" approach, but that was a thousand years ago and as radically and as non-Christian as it was, no one can change the past. As a result, I know there are many that always and predictively choose to conveniently blame Jesus for the actions of his followers so I will not blame Muhhamad for the actions of his.
I just wish the good ones would speak up and denounce the acts of extremist a bit more but the fact that they don't tells me they, including you, are all in on a secret plan known only to Muslims.

I don't know, not disrespecting your religion in any way but I hate to say, I think we are all getting ready to re-live history, this time with Islam holding the sword.
If this indeed the case then there is obviously nothing I can do about it but start a thread.

So tell me, am I wrong or am I right?

It's time for you to speak up and set the record straight.

reply to post by Alxandro


I have a question. Where are you looking to see the Muslims speak out against radicalism? I have seen many statements by Muslims denouncing terrorist attacks. I just know that if Fox news has to chose between

"Muslim blows self up at crowded marketplace"

or

"Muslim says terrorism is bad"

I know which way they are going to go. So mind if I ask where you have been looking?

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


Alright. Firstly have you actually been to Bosnia personally?

reply to post by evil incarnate


You know my friend, those foxnews references are really getting just as old as calling people racist when you don't want to hear what they have to say.

Please don't assume I watch foxnews because I don't, I'm more exposed to cnn when it comes to network news but I mainly rely on the internet.

If you're going to correct me then at least please provide some sources.

Better yet, let's make it official.
Given the Muslim population in the world, what ratio or percentage do you think have actually spoken out condemning the actions of the extreme fundamentalist Muslim?

You are allowed to Google and Snope and FactCheck, if you wish.

Ready?
Set,...
GO!

this kind of fear mongering was also responsible for many other great world blunders, such as the holocaust and the rounding up of japanese americans into concentration camps...

Is not fearmongering is already happening, After Islamic populations had made sure nations in Europe bend to Islamic laws wishes now they have been doing the same in the US

But US been a nation of constitutional laws and majority Christian is been a littler bit hard to bend over for Islam.

The Islamic Challenge to the U.S. Constitution

Note that this is from an Islamic site.

First in Europe and now in the United States, Muslim groups have petitioned to establish enclaves in which they can uphold and enforce greater compliance to Islamic law. While the U.S. Constitution enshrines the right to religious freedom and the prohibition against a state religion, when it comes to the rights of religious enclaves to impose communal rules, the dividing line is more nebulous. Can U.S. enclaves, homeowner associations, and other groups enforce Islamic law?

Such questions are no longer theoretical. While Muslim organizations first established enclaves in Europe,[1] the trend is now crossing the Atlantic. Some Islamics community leaders in the United States are challenging the principles of assimilation and equality once central to the civil rights movement, seeking instead to live according to a separate but equal philosophy. The Gwynnoaks Muslim Residential Development group, for example, has established an informal enclave in Baltimore because, according to John Yahya Cason, director of the Islamic Education and Community Development Initiative, a Baltimore-based Muslim advocacy group, "there was no community in the U.S. that showed the totality of the essential components of Muslim social, economic, and political structure."[2]

The news that people doesn't get to see in our corporate media.

Once concessions are applied it will start to change Americas laws because they could be challenged.

www.meforum.org...

reply to post by marg6043


Pick and choose much?

Didn't read the whole article did you? Or are you purposefully trying to deceive?

Conclusion

How Muslims reconcile Islamic polity within the confines of Western liberal democracy is an unresolved issue. This process will take years to evolve and is likely to convulse in further violent episodes. Presently, many Muslims reject wholesale the notion of a dominant secular law and instead seek the imposition of a pan-Islamist state under the guidance of Shari‘a. These Islamists view secular modernity and the democratic practices of radical egalitarianism, individual rights, and free exercise of religion as a direct and substantial threat to their belief system, and they are intent on employing violence against the West for the foreseeable future. The remainder and majority of the Muslim world must reject nihilism and engage in widespread debate regarding Islam's role within the world community.

The local planning commission in Little Rock, Arkansas, might proceed with the proposed Muslim enclave, but the Arkansas courts and its legislature should not abdicate its responsibilities to ensure that Western liberal rights and protections remain supreme. The government should monitor both the rhetoric and behavior of these communities. As the Supreme Court stated in Cantwell: the freedom to believe is absolute, but the freedom to act, in the nature of things, cannot be, especially as to the safety and preservation of the American democracy.[36]

www.meforum.org...

Yes it is fear mongering. Nice try though. But this is a no brainwashing zone.

Originally posted by Alxandro
reply to post by evil incarnate

 

You know my friend, those foxnews references are really getting just as old as calling people racist when you don't want to hear what they have to say.

Just one example of that ever happening anywhere would be nice. Why do you feel the need to answer a simple question by tossing out straw men about things I have never said or done?

Please don't assume I watch foxnews because I don't, I'm more exposed to cnn when it comes to network news but I mainly rely on the internet.

I never even suggested you watch Fox news.

If you're going to correct me then at least please provide some sources.

I actually asked you a question, I made no attempt to "correct" anything. Was it really this hard to answer?

Better yet, let's make it official.
Given the Muslim population in the world, what ratio or percentage do you think have actually spoken out condemning the actions of the extreme fundamentalist Muslim?

Cannot answer my question then?

You are allowed to Google and Snope and FactCheck, if you wish.

Ready?
Set,...
GO!

Is this supposed to be funny? I asked you a direct question and you made up something about me crying racism and then turned the question around on me without answering it.

reply to post by Alxandro


Never ?

A few links googled in a couple of minutes :

www.muhajabah.com...
unreasonablefaith.com...
www.islamfortoday.com...
www.islamfortoday.com...
news.bbc.co.uk...
www.freemuslims.org...

Ask yourself why you don't know about it. Did you only search for it ? Why is it that it receives almost no coverage in our medias ?
Maybe it would change our perception if we knew about it... but of course if we don't...

reply to post by whatukno


The problem in America my dear is that our law makes are easy corrupted by money and as you read in Islamic sites they are targeting Americas politics and congress.

Research and learn my friend their true agenda is not hidden is there for anybody to see and take the hint

The only thing that is keeping the Islamic population from becoming a pushing force is 9/11, that have stop them on their tracks since then, but taking into consideration how short memories Americans have is just a matter of time.

I expect to happen in my life time . . . just the same way that I am witnessing the fall of US and raise of China, just a matter of time.

Originally posted by marg6043

The Islamic Challenge to the U.S. Constitution

Note that this is from an Islamic site.

ooo that's what Islam has planned?

It's an article written by David Kennedy Houck, an attorney from Pittsburgh...

www.ocmilaw.com...

reply to post by Titen-Sxull


Why exactly should we be tolerant and accepting?
This means giving up your principles.
Why would you give up your principles?

When Muslims number 4 million in your town and 1 million of your own culture, will you still feel the same? They will dominate your government, your school teachers, your other business and professional occupations as well as your auto mechanics, plumbers, and electricians.etc..
Will you feel like a stranger in your own land?
Think hard on that, because that is what you are asking for.