Misogyny: Ruining the Female Male Relationship(esp. in the digital age)

reply to post by zosocoda


I'm going to start another thread about this extreme child censorship so that this doesn't get off-topic .

Originally posted by gps777

Originally posted by rusethorcain
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So true. Women love to play games. Last night I snagged a ball player without saying a word.
I asked a mutual friend to tell him where he could find me, but not until after I left the bar.
He needs to make the first move. I have already made mine.

Make up your mind you made the first move or him.From what you posted you made the first move not him.

It appeared I was filming a karaoke singer but I was really filming him the whole time.
He knew it too. I tried not to get his date in the picture.
We exchanged smiles all evening. We danced next to each other and brushed up against each other, although we were each dancing with other people. They did not know what was going on. Only he and I did.
Electricity. Good to feel it coursing through my veins again. Butterflies in my stomach all the way home.
He was playing the game too. Sparking up a storm. Unfortunately he was with another woman. No rings.
He does not even know it yet but, soon he will be mine.

If you have any morals at all and intend on any type of relationship with this man,please direct him to read your recent posts here on ATS so he can get a good look at the person you are.

The only thing I got out of all of your post was............


SEE? LOOK OUT GUYS THEY LOVE TO SNEAK IN WITH THE HUMANS!!

I don't know how to tell you this but the more I read your posts the more I think you are in doubt about your own sexuality and almost totally clueless about any proper, physical and natural male, female relationships, good bad or ugly.

Hi People,

Can we please keep the discussions focussed on the topic and not eachother.


Cheers

reply to post by Brood


Well if being juvenile is to try to explain to someone and aspect of visual language and symbolism that they have no conception of or pretend to be that well well you can call me juvenile and and a member of the illuminati… I simply do not care.

“I'm sorry, chicky (bring it), your views on shielding your children will never control the world of marketing;”

What is funny is that I do not see fart jokes in Marketing (US) or blackface ads like they used to have in the good old days (for some) so I believe that marketing actually follows what the public wants. What you are seeing is the battle between subcultures. One says let us reduce our women to sex objects ( and so doing puts men on the same level) and the other says no this is wrong we all have women who we love.

Originally posted by tiger5
reply to post by Brood

 

What is funny is that I do not see fart jokes in Marketing (US) or blackface ads like they used to have in the good old days (for some) so I believe that marketing actually follows what the public wants. What you are seeing is the battle between subcultures. One says let us reduce our women to sex objects ( and so doing puts men on the same level) and the other says no this is wrong we all have women who we love.

That ad does not reduce a woman to a sex object. She is a woman eating a slightly phallic-looking burger. People can still believe in women's rights and not see a victim in that ad at all. I can't see how that is harmful to women. Its harmless. And subtle sexual innuendos never hurt anyone's children.

reply to post by hotbakedtater


I would classify this as the influence of patriarchy, not 'the hatred of women.' Its definitely proof that women are subject to violence based on gender stereotypes but so are men. Its all part of the same thing. Read 'The Birth of Pleasure' by Carol Gilligan. She says relationships are destroyed by dissasociative trauma caused by both men and women's initiation into patriarchy. Its more the long, dead arm of the past ruining relationships - not individual men or women.

Originally posted by Brood
That ad does not reduce a woman to a sex object. She is a woman eating a slightly phallic-looking burger. People can still believe in women's rights and not see a victim in that ad at all. I can't see how that is harmful to women.

Indeed.

The ad couldn't have come to fruition if there wasn't a woman readily available to be featured in it, so I don't see how it could be construed as sexist.

As I pointed out earlier, if there was an advert that showed a shocked looking man, implying that he was about to perform oral sex on some food that vaguely resembled female genitalia, would that be sexist towards men ?
Of course not.



It's the same with porn; some women claim that it's ''degrading to women'', yet there are thousands of women queueing up to take part in it !

Originally posted by Brood
That ad does not reduce a woman to a sex object. She is a woman eating a slightly phallic-looking burger. People can still believe in women's rights and not see a victim in that ad at all. I can't see how that is harmful to women. Its harmless. And subtle sexual innuendos never hurt anyone's children.

edit on 26-9-2010 by Brood because: (no reason given)

Agreed and for those calling that ad sexist and terrible, maybe you need a history lesson of what real sexist ads are like. Linked below are some ads which are pretty shocking.

www.icanhasinternets.com...

reply to post by hotbakedtater


It is difficult to express a complex situation in effectively sound bites on here. However I will point some things out from my past that I had problems understanding till women explained to me. Even than I did not understand. When I was young I could not understand why any man would hit a woman. As I got older and watched the question changed. It became why did women WANT TO BE HIT BY MEN? Not only want it, ask for it, but even beg for it. This greatly bothered me. The women I saw begging to be hit were not stupid, at least I didn't believe them to be. Yet they were doing things to their man that if a man did it would get him killed. Literally, not figuratively. Why were they doing this? Did they not understand?

As time went on I developed women friends. That means I wasn't for whatever reason trying to crawl into their pants and they did not need me to defend them at the time. Explanations for that at another time. When they were not in danger and realized I was not particularly interested in jumping their bones, Oh my God I must be queer! , they were willing to talk and answer questions. I asked several of them the same question. What really surprised me is all of them gave me the same answer. They did understand. If they could get their man to hit them they were in control. They had forced him to show he cared. They could also make him feel guilty. They had control over him. It was what they WANTED! Their words. I still do not get it. To date I have never hit a women. When they try this I walk away. Even from my wife till she got the message. Care to explain?

reply to post by Jerk_Idiot


Why would I explain this? I am not of this school of thought so I cannot comment on women and men who play these type of juvenile games.

reply to post by hotbakedtater


That is the problem. People do play these silly games. Silly to you or me perhaps, Without understanding of why they do there will always be problems between the two. Want something easier? One of the things I mentioned about women friends was before I asked I had to make sure they were not in danger. Why? Most men it would not matter. For women if they were in danger they would say or do anything for protection. Not a PC statement but the way it is. If they considered you safety they would do whatever it took to be with you. To stay with you. They may not want to be with you when the danger was over but while it was there they would do anything you want. Why? I am serious. Danger or no danger does not change how I deal with people. Why does it affect women so much more than men? Or do you feel women have no need to explain, it is supposed to be part of their mystique?

reply to post by Jerk_Idiot

For women if they were in danger they would say or do anything for protection.

So, you are saying this isn't true for men?

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Agreed and for those calling that ad sexist and terrible, maybe you need a history lesson of what real sexist ads are like. Linked below are some ads which are pretty shocking.

www.icanhasinternets.com...

LOL.

Are all of those ads genuine ?

It just goes to show how social attitudes have moved on considerably within the last 50 years or so.

reply to post by Jerk_Idiot


I don't know what you are talking about, maybe Kentucky women are different. This one has a gun for protection amongst other weapons, so when (and it is rare) I feel endangered it is I who does the protecting (I am caretaker for an ill relative).

I live in the city, danger lurks everywhere from cons and thugs. If I waited for a man to "protect" me I would end up dead I suppose.

What kind of answer ar you looking for?

It seems to be an ideal of sorts where the man's "job" or "role" is to "protect" the women.

Even in pioneer days women knew how to "protect" themselves if their man was away.

reply to post by hotbakedtater


I understand and agree with what you say about women protecting themselves, however consider what usually happens in a threatening situation. Do you have any idea how many times women wind up a guy and then get her boyfriend/husband to hit that guy? Have you any clue how often women ask for protection when they're out of their depth? I will defend anyone male or female if they're in need but i get a little wound up when women expect it and even cause situations expecting it.

However as a side note i'll say this. When i used to be heavily training martial arts, 5 days a week the club i went to had only one woman. The reason being the club was rough, full contact and most women tried it and then left for one of the "sport" martial arts clubs that don't really teach self defense. Even so the one woman who stayed was a force to be reckoned with. Five foot five/six, slim build and yet she could throw people around like they were nothing. When you are strong you can have mediocre technique and the strength covers it, but she had to have perfect technique and she kicked the ass of a number of guys there. It's easy to respect that kind of dedication to training.

As for what Jerk said, i don't know of any women who want to get hit, i can't really believe that was posted. Nearly all my friends are women and not one of them has ever expressed the desire for her partner to smack her around, it sounded more like an excuse to feel better about hitting women.

In regards to "women wanting to get hit".

I have seen this, once. Ironiclly both the brother and sister (I knew the girl) had some very serious control issues.

Both were more than willing to "take a hit" if it meant they got to keep control.

They would do ANYTHING to get the upper hand / control.

And both played it the same way. They would instigate until a hit occured (and yes, they usually threw first) then immediately cry foul when hit back. After the adults showed up, out came the water works (for both) and the lies about who started it. Now, I found this pretty amusing as I am not easily pushed to violence, but it is a shocker to see people so dedicated to control that they will do anything to get it.

The teachers at my school didn't catch on with her until maybe 4th or 5th incident, then they sent her straight to a shrink.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Agreed and for those calling that ad sexist and terrible, maybe you need a history lesson of what real sexist ads are like. Linked below are some ads which are pretty shocking.

www.icanhasinternets.com...

Those are great!

Thanks for the link.