Misogyny: Ruining the Female Male Relationship(esp. in the digital age)

Originally posted by rexusdiablos
Are you serious? Show me one quote where I suggested such a notion.

''ATS is supposed to be a Rennaissance of thought; some of the male members are medieval at best. Real men know that you can't hate a gender; you can only hate a person.''

Now, whether you'll admit it or not, you are clearly implying that some male ATS members are misogynist, considering that you included this comment at the bottom of your little tirade against ''misogyny''.

As I've said, I have not seen any hatred of women on ATS, but I'm sure there may be some, so I'll give every member the benefit of the doubt until I see anything that would alter my opinion on that.

So, I'd politely request you to show some examples of ATS members posting misogynistic thoughts, otherwise I can only assume you are throwing around that term erroneously and illogically, to counter posts on this subject that personally displease you.

reply to post by rexusdiablos


Here are some quotes for you to enjoy:

"Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream." - Rush Limbaugh

"The feminist movement taught women to see themselves as victims of an oppressive patriarchy. ... Self-imposed victimhood is not a recipe for happiness." - Phyllis Schlafly.

"Although feminism speaks the language of liberation, self-fulfillment, options, and the removal of barriers, these phrases invariably mean their opposites and disguise an agenda at variance with the ideals of a free society." - Michael Levin.

ABOUT - Quotes

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It is always a delight seeing Pro-Feminists use the phrase "real men don't..." because it just exposes the double standards so well. Have a look through that page and you might come across one of Freud's rather not so Politically Correct critiques of the Feminist movement.

The programming goes both ways, but obviously more successful in some than others. When I meet new people, one of the biggest things that stand out about them is how they were "sexually" programmed. It's very saddening.

The OP is a misandrist who could not handle facts about feminism posted in the thread she is trying to counter.
It is women (or should I type "womyn" to please her "feminist" friends) like these who contribute to the ruining of male and female relationship.
Women like her do not want equality...they only want male domination in the name of women empowerment.

I have a thought about feminism...

If feminism is the belief in full social equality between genders, then that makes me, and most men, feminists.

Why is it, then, that the vast majority of people that identify themselves as ''feminists'' are women ?

Surely, if this was the true definition of feminism, then there would be near-enough equal numbers of males and females that would declare themselves as ''feminists'' ?

Or is the term largely used as a ''respectable'' banner for man-hating women with issues, to cower behind, without having to justify their true, prejudiced beliefs on the matter ?

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Now, whether you'll admit it or not, you are clearly implying that some male ATS members are misogynist

I know I am. Some ATS members are misogynistic.How does this answer my question? I asked for a quotation the proves the following baseless submission:

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
You ... have fallen for the ... ''if you're not with us, you're against us'' mode of thinking.

Are you going to make me ask a third time?

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
I'd politely request you to show some examples of ATS members posting misogynistic thoughts

I politely oblige and refer you to the 'Feminism: Destroying the Male and Female Relationship' thread. It's sprinkled with passive aggressive misogyny. Here's some of the 'logic' being peddled on ATS recently:

Why are feminists surprised their daughters are sluts?*

Girls can become feminine again by making marriage and family their first priority. If they refocus, they can regain the path to fulfillment and happiness.*

Sorry but I have found that 99% of my countrywomen that seem to be the most brainwashed freaks.*

I would like to pose this question: "How are women disrespected?" If I act like a pig they flock to me. A couple underhanded compliments and the dresses come off. How can I be expected, as a male, to give respect when it isn't due?*

Well i know 1 thing for a fact women are getting ... ... "sluttlier"*

The first five examples I've found are about as much as I'm willing to spoon-feed you. It's no less corroboratively sufficient.

Remember my first question; I don't want to have to ask a third time.

All I can say is.....wow! What an unbelieveable percentage of people don't know what's truly going on! Let's take a poll. How many of you had great grandparents that got divorced? Not that many, huh? Now, do not read any further if you do not want to learn something.

Yes, there are some men who genuinely hate women. There always has been and always will be. Exaclty as there are some women who genuinely hate men. There always has been and always will be.

However, the percentage is very low in both instances. It is biologically unsound for men and women to hate each other.

What is true is that since about the 1970s, the media (& The Powers That Be) have been programming people. This is fact, and most of us on this site are already well aware of the documentation which supports this fact. The poster who wrote about Russia and their pitting men against women by changing their roles is mostly correct. That is the socialist/communist way of getting control of the individual. Break the family, show the children that the family is not their supporter, that the government is. And oh, how well it has worked. On television, you will see the man being "feminized" and the woman being "individualized".

This is fact: in Western society, the woman has always been an equal partner in the relationship. Until we were told that they weren't. Then, women needed to go get 8-5 jobs to be equals. And they needed to make the same amount of money to be equals. What has caused so much distress in the relationships is that neither one is happy when the "family" functions that way. It's not supposed to! The man feels as if he needs to work harder because his woman is "bringing home the bacon" better than he is. And when he gets home, the woman, who is understandibly tired from her 8-5 job, either picks up some fast food or has to cook. Then, the house needs to be taken care of still! And kids! That is not fair. Men are imasculated because they are trying to help their women who feel that they need to work an 8-5 because society tells them they need to in order to be equal.

Because being a professional home maker is, well.....pathetic. Right?

What a joke.
Here's the fundamental problem:

Men resent being imasculated and controlled and women hate not being valued.

So women resort to "controlling" the husband to feel important. And the man begins to hate women. But he does not really hate women. He hates being controlled. He hates knowing that he allows the woman to control him. The woman, feeling the negativity, attempts to tighten her control. It's a horrible, downward spiral. Then, every other relationship the people get into they go into it with baggage.

And as for the religion aspect, no, it has nothing to do with it. We would like to think so, and it should, but since media has virtually destroyed that as well, no. Very few people adhere to the religious aspects. Most say that all people should remain virgins until married. How many people (male and female) do you personally know who have? Now, moving on.

How to correct this situation? Easy. Women, stop trying to be men and men, stop treating your women as if they are men. Women, stop treating your man as a servant. Men and women ARE equal when in a "traditional" relationship. He asks her for advice and then proceeds with what he thinks is the best course for the family. She then supports him unless she thinks he is absolutely wrong. Basically, it comes down to trust. Do you, as a woman, trust that your man will do what he really thinks is best for the both of you? If not, get a new one. Men, do you trust your woman enough to ask her advice on decisions? If not, get a new one.

Of course there are bad women and there are bad men. Be more selective. Yes, men and women both get fooled by members of the opposite sex. Unfortunately, that's life. But all people are not that way. Just as all people are not criminals or want world domination.

So no, men are not truly misogynous.

As to whether I'm male or female, I'd love to hear the theories.

Tiger86

Originally posted by cybernetic_dude
The OP is a misandrist who could not handle facts about feminism posted in the thread she is trying to counter.
It is women (or should I type "womyn" to please her "feminist" friends) like these who contribute to the ruining of male and female relationship.
Women like her do not want equality...they only want male domination in the name of women empowerment.

You summed it up for me perfectly.

Originally posted by Dark Ghost
Here are some quotes for you to enjoy:

Why are you directing these quotes at me?

Originally posted by Dark Ghost
It is always a delight seeing Pro-Feminists

Why do you think I'm Pro-Feminist?

Originally posted by Dark Ghost
"real men don't..."

You're right. I should have said "real people don't".

Originally posted by Dark Ghost
Have a look through that page and you might come across one of Freud's rather not so Politically Correct critiques of the Feminist movement.

So what?

Originally posted by King Loki
LOL typical Female thread riding off the back of the previous male thread, Must be hard to think of your own subject matter. Must have taken a real feat of cerebral athleticism to come up with this thread, its just like a women to get all emotional and lash out and try

In case you missed it, King, this is a website that contqains much debate. If anyone is riding a back it is the misogynists who keep starting female bashing threads such as my examples in my OP.

And of course it is hard to think of our own topic, like the other thread to which you refer, it is not an original thread with original thoughts it is a posting of some other misogynists thoughts, so who had the feat of cerebral athleticism, me the one who wrote an original REBUTTAL (google the term, oit applies to this board) or the OTHER poster to which you refer, who simple slapped up someone else's work and ran with it.

It is almost impossible to deny the amout of misogyny we encounter on the internet. This thread was not only a rebuttal to the Other thread, but an ot=riginal concept as well, misogyny in the digital age.

In person a man can hide his misogynistic tendancies, and they will too, to trap the female.

Online we are all equal, and I think it really ruffles some feathers on message boards and online communities that women have as an equal voice as men.

So SOME men shed their insecurities and go hog wild on the female hating online. It has to do with that Digital Ego, that Keyboard warrior syndrome, and I think it is invading the internet, including this website, big time.

There has been many wonderful contribtions to the thread, and it is wonderful that there has not been any posts that have been too bad, so I consider this to be a step in the right direction!

Originally posted by rexusdiablos
It's funny; any misogynist I've encountered in real-life is usually one of the following things:

1. Too unattractive in physicality or personality to form a mature lasting relationship with a female.
   
2. Neurotic in typical Freudian terms. (It's been a long-term suspicion of mine that many of them are poorly endowed and project their anger on a gender they cannot satisfy sexually - remember I'm purely speaking Freud.)
   
3. The self-proclaimed victim of the end of a relationship whereby his rights to assets, savings, property or offspring are lost to his female counterpart.
   

For your first point ... I have seen some butt ugly guys with some women that I would trade in my mother and my aunt in for ... seriously.

For your second point ... "Poor endowment" really ... at the risk of embarrassment, I'm not the biggest endowed man on the planet but I have never ever had a problem satisfying a women, in my experience women usually get off with in 1-2 mins (sometimes less) when I'm doing my thing, its usually me that takes ages lol ... maybe I'm weird ? The whole poor endowment thing is just a womens way to try and hold something over us because they are so insecure about every part of their body.

For your third point .... Isn't that every single relationship on the planet ever ?, I have never known a guy to walk away from any relationship with any of the females possessions, but in every relationship I've had and every single other relationship I've ever seen, the women usually walks away with a lot more then what she had going in. Don't see feminists fighting for equality on that ... strange huh ?

As i have said a lot of times before, all feminists do is pick the things they want to be equal and disregard anything thats not equal but benefits them.

Also i have never once ever seen a smoking hot feminist ... never.

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Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by clay2 baraka

 

There is no code, women do that on purpose to keep you guessing because it's a sick twisted game for them. For a woman the worst thing a man can be is happy, comfortable and content. This drives a woman absolutely insane and she will do whatever it is she can to disrupt these feelings. It's written into their DNA.

Im sorry you (and Clay) feel that way about all women. Not all women are that way. They are not. I am not and I know im not the only one. I find it really sad that you think all women want a man to be misserable. That is the last thing I would ever want of a man im in a relationship with.

And I understand Clay's feelings too. I guess im just way more laid back then some of the women yall seem to be meeting. That is why I tell women to chill out. Chill out and just have some fun.

And well, ive had my fair share of horrible men....but I dont give up on men all together

Just on a brief note (before hurrying off), I think you may have something in your idea. However, the cause may not be mysogyny but rather American society's portrayal of women (in media) as being young and nubile and available and willing for any man, no matter how many negative social and physical traits he has (the "stupid jerk gets hot babe" movie.)

Worst offenders to me are some of the MMORPGs. I'm an avid Warcraft fan and it bugs me (and other women) no end that when we get the SAME piece of armor that the guys get, it covers the guy head-to-toe while on us it looks like Bondage Bimbette is about to lose her pants and her top.

Even on Taurens (and Gnomes. The only race I haven't checked is the Undead. I just don't want to go there. No, really.)

So, rather than a generalized mysogny, I think it's a cultural artifact continued by music (all women are subservient to the guy doing the rapping), culture (just listen sometime to the way many men refer to other men that they want to threaten ("you're going to be my (b-word that I know isn't appropriate for this board)"), women in tv shows (generally not shown as bosses, often showed up by male colleagues UNLESS they're some sort of uber-Marine or unpleasant uber-harridan.) And the consequences of such behavior aren't shown.

"House", for one example, walks all over his female bosses and employees and so forth. Yes, he's supposed to be a mysogynist -- but he's also portrayed as a cultural icon and he seldom encounters any real consequences to his actions. Furthermore, few consequences are shown of how his behavior would REALLY affect people in the real world.

Meh. Gotta run. Good topic.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by clay2 baraka

 

There is no code, women do that on purpose to keep you guessing because it's a sick twisted game for them. For a woman the worst thing a man can be is happy, comfortable and content. This drives a woman absolutely insane and she will do whatever it is she can to disrupt these feelings. It's written into their DNA.

Im sorry you (and Clay) feel that way about all women. Not all women are that way. They are not. I am not and I know im not the only one. I find it really sad that you think all women want a man to be misserable. That is the last thing I would ever want of a man im in a relationship with.

Ditto here. You could ask my husband, even. We've never had an argument (no, I don't rule the house) and we have fun together. Since he retired, we've gone places and done wonderful things -- his health has substantially improved and he's very happy.

Might be the kind of women they're trying to be involved with... or the age of the women.

Originally posted by CHA0S
reply to post by hotbakedtater

 

You think the majority of men hate women? I think you are wrong. I'm a male, and I know many males. The problem is that men of the past thought of women almost like a lesser being I suppose, a "play thing" or "working slave"...they got little respect from most men in a lot of societies, they just had to do their job and not complain whilst the men took care of the harder things such as war and hunting for food. And women listened and probably even respected the men who provided them with shelter, food and protection. And I'm not trying to sound like an a-hole in any way here, you are correct, women still to this day don't seem to treated equally on all levels, but you have come a long way since women gained the right to vote, you can't expect such a transition to take place instantly, there are many customs and ways of thinking etched into our societies which wont go away any time too soon.

Thank you for your comments, my friend.

No I do not think ALL men hate women. I do not think in broad generalities.

I do think however, that online it is immensely easier for any base emotions and beliefs to seep through than it is in real life. In real life, it still seeps out, but it normally will take me a couple of encounters with a man to guage his feelings towards women, and that includes observation of actions. In real life actions speak much louder than words.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
S&F for a lively topic, HBT.

Late to the game here, but, to paraphrase my post in the topic on feminism, which I saw first, it's really very simple. If a woman doesn't like a man who engenders and epitomizes the more negative aspects (to her) of (what she views as) misogyny, she should avoid him. And that theory works both ways. Where's the battle here on an individual or any level? ...

I do agree that in the digital age, people may more often hide behind the relative anonymity to be more vocal about things. But in general, stereotyping of any kind just makes my head spin, and the resulting discussions are a lot to think about, both pro and con.

P.S. On a different note...kudos to the ATS ad engine...look what ad kept popping up as I read through this topic and the other one! Really made me

That image is true irony, thanks for the laugh, Luc!!

I wanted to comment on your post.

If I encounter a misogynistic fool, of course I avoid him.

But the one I was envisioning when writing my post was my boss.

Let me tell you, for a year I put on armour and fought against that fool's misogyny. And it takes it toll, too, to fight against it in the workplace.

I was one of the older workers, most of the ones he picked on and acted in a female hating manner to were the young servers the teens and twenties. I just happen to be cursed/blessed to look like I am in my twenties. I am sure that is why I was included in his workplace discrimination. The other boss happened to be his lifelong friend, and right before I stopped working there, the GM (that other boss) told the woman hater boss, do not hire any more females.

Proving misogyny/gender discrimination int he workplace? Extremely difficult. I could wear a wire I suppose, but for eight bucks an hour is it even worth it?

Cut and find another drone job, much easier. Not all men are misogynistic fools.

And I quit one job where I had a female boss who was inappropriate, it is not just men.

But the topic of my thread IS all about men!!

Again thanks for the laugh with that ad!

Originally posted by mattias
hahaha blame religion, how typical, the number one way to NOT take responsibility for your own actions is to point the finger. Just like a killer would say "It wasn't MY fault! It was the GUNS fault!"

Grow up, get some kahunas and man up. People are responsible for the way they act. stop blaming everything around you.

If this is addressed to OP, I much prefer to female up, if you do not mind.

Originally posted by whatukno
Ladies, here is a simple test that will prove whether or not you want to emasculate your man.

Answer honestly. Have you ever, even once, even for a microsecond, even while you are alone with your guy, ever asked your man to hold your purse?

If you have, you want to emasculate him and dominate him completely.

If holding a purse emasculates, the lady was not with a REAL man to begin with.