Feminism: Destroying the Male and Female Relationship

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


That's good to hear BH. You have really stuck to your guns in this thread about equality for all. It's a shame you have been "grilled" by other Feminists in this thread, but it does show that your heart is in the right place and your association with Feminism has been for noble reasons.

----------

It is disappointing to see so many members in here with a complete disregard for the point of view of males when it comes to these sorts of issues. It seems most have been programmed to be unsympathetic and apathetic towards the rights and general well-being of males. (The media plays a part in this.) It appears many harbour feelings of deep resentment towards men and believe they should just be "thrown into the deep end" on many issues where women are shown patience, sympathy and sensitivity.

I expect to be told to "quit my whining" and to "man up". That seems to be the standard reply when men actually do speak out about this stuff. Or get called a misogynist. If you are tempted to reply in this manner, pretend for a moment that I were female. Would your words be as harsh?

reply to post by Dark Ghost

It is disappointing to see so many members in here with a complete disregard for the point of view of males when it comes to these sorts of issues. It seems most have been programmed to be unsympathetic and apathetic towards the rights and general well-being of males. (The media plays a part in this.) It appears many harbour feelings of deep resentment towards men and believe they should just be "thrown into the deep end" on many issues where women are shown patience, sympathy and sensitivity.

I just want to know what planet you are on so I don't ever accidentally visit there.

We clearly are living in two different worlds because the one I am in, women show extraordinary - at times even unwarranted, patience, love, tenderness and understanding when it comes to men, their man and the fragile male ego. Women give and give of themselves, for very little in return, until there is nothing left but an old dress and an empty pair of shoes.
Then the male moves on.
I see it happen everyday.
Two friends work in social services and deal with woman's issues.

reply to post by gammastate

if she gave up a stable job to be a stay at home mother with promise from you that you would take care of her....
if you refused to take care of the little tykes so she could work....
if you expected her home, cleaning your house, doing your laundry, and waiting on you.....
well.... I am sorry, but that is kind of relevant to her earning potential at the time of divorce....so yes, what happens before the divorce is relevant!

my guess if a man wasn't willing to do that then, he really isn't willing to do it after the divorce....although, he might be willing to dump the kid on his newly found girlfriend...
so, well, where's the equal custody?? women take them half a year, men take them the other half? sure, one half the year, the men can struggle with child care costs and live with angry bosses as they get phone calls at work from schools wanting them to come pick up their sick kid....women can do it the other half....
and they can both be handicapped when it comes to earning a living?

If people would stop generalizing (men do this and women do that) we might be able to actually talk with each other as people, but so many seem to have huge chips on their shoulders placed there by past experience, that no one is willing to just try to understand and be compassionate toward each other.

I've had more than my share of asshat men taking advantage of me and treating me like crap, but to hold that against men as a whole is a huge mistake, because there are wonderful, compassionate, respectful men out there. A lot of them.

And I've also not only witnessed, but experienced the fallout from, wicked, vengeful, manipulative women, whose only concern is what they can get for themselves and how they can mold and change a man to be what THEY want, regardless who he is. But there are plenty of loving, honest and generous women that I've also known.

To see the other gender as a group who thinks with one brain who will treat you the same as the WORST examples of the gender, is to do a huge disservice to the PEOPLE that we all are. Yes, there are "bad men" and there are "bad women". That's because there are "bad people". People who will take advantage of other people. You can't blame a gender or a group, like feminists or misogynists (in light of the two threads on the subject) for how you've been treated.

What we need to think about is that men are scared. They have been hurt by women. They have been taken to the cleaners by women. Had their kids taken away by women. Had their babies aborted without their knowledge. And they have become mistrusting of women, for those reasons.

Women are scared, too! They have been left to raise kids on their own. They have been raped and hit. They have been abused and used by men. And they have come to mistrust men for these reasons.

But we have to remember that there are great people out there, too. They shouldn't all be painted with the same brush. Have some compassion for each other. Really try to understand where they're coming from. Be curious.

Originally posted by AdAbsurdum

Originally posted by rusethorcain
You would be infinitely farther ahead, financially and romantically to make a couple sandwiches yourself, buy a couple of juice drinks and visit a museum for free. Poor doesn't have to be boring.

Ok... Now I am a bit confused...

So, doing something cheap isn't a bad thing accept when it is?

I just can't win.

Taking a woman to subway for a first date could be seen as a gesture of contempt. It's not about being unable to afford it.. it's about respect and taking a woman to a fastfood joint where she's forced to to try hold a decent conversation while trying to eat an oversized dripping sandwhich without benefit of utensils, sit at counter where her feet dangle off the floor on stools that are bolted to the floor isn't very romantic. You may as well take her to a truck stop.

and she'd be doubly pissed off if she's spent 2 hours getting dolled up for the "occasion".

reply to post by dawnstar


I don't understand what your point is. Today the wife gets half of what the husband has and alimony for the children. Not something that I would call "fair"

Lets try to avoid hypothetical scenarios. They add nothing to this discussion.

Here is the REAL reason why Feminism was started in the U.S. straight from AAron Russo (famous filmmaker and producer and the start of Bette Midler's career) He was close friends with Nick Rockefeller before he died and was also warned of 911 (11 months) before it happened. He was an insider and this is what he said about feminism. It wasn't for the equality of women at all.



search for phenomium in the threads and see that I have warned of this for years on here now and had heated battles and I also predict a "war" between the sexes coming soon as a result of favoritism of women over men, and it is coming closer to fruition. I don't want it to happen, but the feminists are doing what they do best.....and the pattern suggests that it is inevitable. Men will only take so much, when they realize what is going on, they will revert back to their primal means of taking care of business....just as they always have, and women will be no exception. It's just a prediction. I can't see the future, but I base this prediction on patterns of history and in those cases I have yet to be wrong. Feminism was created to destroy the family fbric and to make men "subjugated" to women, basically, women in control. Yeah,........not THIS guy! I will bow to no woman, I don't care how pretty you are. Women in the workforce is great, equality is great......feminism is the destruction of men and those who say it's not are liars. Feminists lie all the time, they lie even when the truth sounds better, that's how they get everything handed to them by the government, by lying about men and burning them and playing the victim even when they are clearly at the front of the socialand government handout line.......and the government is helping them all the way to the bank while men are being robbed in courts from child support to alimony and fake rape charges, losing their jobs everywhere. The question is, WHY do you think the government is helping women so much and abandoning men? It's to make us weak so we can't fight against them.

Originally posted by gammastate
reply to post by dawnstar

 

I don't understand what your point is. Today the wife gets half of what the husband has and alimony for the children. Not something that I would call "fair"

Lets try to avoid hypothetical scenarios. They add nothing to this discussion.

edit on 19-9-2010 by gammastate because: words

Yeah, why doesnt the MAN ever get half of what the women have and the children? Even if the man is abetter candidate he won't get the children unless he offers the government an immense amount of money.It's favoritism and see te aaron russo video above for the answer.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
Perhaps you can't win, but I think you already have a bit of a defeatist attitude.
I don't like Subway and I guess this is turning into a referendum on the place. Go ahead and eat there, take a date. Personally I can't handle a man who whines more than I do.

But that's just me.

Well, I think you have just proven the OP's point...

I don't think the underhanded insult was necessary, but it doesn't surprise me.

Originally posted by riley
Taking a woman to subway for a first date could be seen as a gesture of contempt. It's not about being unable to afford it.. it's about respect and taking a woman to a fastfood joint where she's forced to to try hold a decent conversation while trying to eat an oversized dripping sandwhich without benefit of utensils, sit at counter where her feet dangle off the floor on stools that are bolted to the floor isn't very romantic. You may as well take her to a truck stop.

and she'd be doubly pissed off if she's spent 2 hours getting dolled up for the "occasion".

So I have to purchase a woman's respect?

My grandfather met his wife over a cheeseburger and a shake at the USO. Why isn't that good enough today? Yeah, I'm thinking the OP is right and none of the responses I'm getting are showing me otherwise.

Originally posted by rusethorcain

I just want to know what planet you are on so I don't ever accidentally visit there.

It's earth, and you're not the only one who lives here and is completely oblivious to what goes on here.

We clearly are living in two different worlds because the one I am in, women show extraordinary - at times even unwarranted, patience, love, tenderness and understanding when it comes to men, their man and the fragile male ego.

I know this is hard to believe, but not all men are Homer Simpson. It's true, many men are like this, but assuming we all are is the definition of sexist. Let's also pretend for a second that you didn't post earlier that you don't like men that "whine more than [you] do"; which sex has the ego problem again? Clearly, ego is not gender-specific. You think because you are a woman you have the right to whine over men who could possibly have infinitely more problems than you?

Women give and give of themselves, for very little in return, until there is nothing left but an old dress and an empty pair of shoes.

First of all, where did you get this saying, UnrelatedFeministSobStoriesWithUnneccesaryAdjectivesToVictimizeWomenThatCan'tPutOnTheirShoes.com?
Men don't do anything for women, this is what you're saying? Women do more for men than men do for women? Let's get serious here, if all this woman was left with is an old dress and an empty pair of shoes, then the man worked all of his life to buy only 2 dresses and 2 pairs of shoes? I guess the man that left her like this is also left with another old dress, a pair of shoes, and an alimony bill. Just generalizing all relationships based on events of few like you've been doing -- difference is that this happens much more often than whatever you are talking about on that "planet" of yours.

Then the male moves on.

Because he figured out how to put his shoes on.

I see it happen everyday.

No. You don't.

Two friends work in social services and deal with woman's issues.

It's funny you should make the mistake of saying "woman's" instead of "women's", although this mistake is likely much more accurate

reply to post by rusethorcain


Discussing this issue with you is like trying to explain Algebra to a brick wall. I'm not wasting my time any more. If you want to believe that men are responsible for all your troubles and that women are perpetually victimised by men, go ahead. I hope you live a happy and sustaining life.

reply to post by gammastate


The wife does NOT get half of what the husband has....the wife gets half of what they shared together as a couple.

reply to post by Brood


What is this? A frat party?

Shouldn't you boys be out tipping cows or something?

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by Brood

 

What is this? A frat party?

Shouldn't you boys be out tipping cows or something?

Aww yes you cant refute his arguments so lets make fun of people. Lame!

Maybe this will help.

reply to post by rusethorcain


Wow really. Ok I will bite then. So basically what you are saying is you need to understand its all in the biology, and women are biologically inclined to act that way, so we should excuse the behavior.

Ok then so guys are biologically to spread their seed far and wide all based on biology right.

Oh wait guys shouldnt be allowed to follow their biological drives as much or need to temper it down.

Nope that only works if your a female. Because Guy bad female good.

reply to post by bluemirage5


And what about the money earned BEFORE the marriage? That tends to "become" hers when they get married and remains hers when they get divorced. What would be your opinion if I married a very rich woman, divorced her and took half her fortune (the majority of which she accumulated before we even met.) I bet you would not be making excuses for me; you would probably jump to her defence and say I used her for the money.

Originally posted by AdAbsurdum
So I have to purchase a woman's respect?

No you should be giving respect regardless. Taking her to subway.. especially after she's gone to the trouble of looking nice would be showing her disrespect. You are trying to justify starting off denograting her. Whats wrong with taking her to a movie or museum? Would cost you the same amount.. and the man paying is not always presumed ansd may wan to pay for herself. Your subway idea is akin to throwing a slab of meat to a dog.

My grandfather met his wife over a cheeseburger and a shake at the USO. Why isn't that good enough today? Yeah, I'm thinking the OP is right and none of the responses I'm getting are showing me otherwise.

Keyword is met ..most men know better than to take a woman to subway for a first date. How about you take her to a supermarket and just eat some cold baked beans out next to the trolley bay?

:shk:

reply to post by riley

What if she likes subway. Maybe she is a down to earth person that just wants to be around him? Not all women think like you do. You are so quick to say he is putting her down. Please forgive me if I am off base or missed something of the backstory.

Point I am making is that its a date between her and him. No one else, the date should be what they want to do. Anyone else's opinion should not matter in the least bit.

reply to post by riley


Movie and museum costs much more than subway, round here anyway...

Anyway,I think we have a miss communication. I wouldn't take a girl to subway as a surprise. But if I asked her out the date would be arrived at by consensus. So, if i threw subway out there I don't think she should be offended is my point.

If I was Abe Froman Sausage King of Chicago I'd take her to a french restaurant or something, but I'm not. I'm just AdAbsurdum and I can't afford those types of things and I don't think it's something I should be penalized for.