What's with all this "ONENESS" and "ETERNAL LOVE" Nonsense!!!

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lol i love your response

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not at liberty to watch those vids as of yet, will do when i can.

Originally posted by MrsBlonde
the oneness cannot be described in any kind of linguistic way,it has to observed it can be observed and tested and felt and known it just can't be explained

we are all one ,and you're right it does suck to be one with psycho paths ,criminals terrorists perverts liars etc,,,but it is really wonderful to be one with, loved ones, friends, animals, plants ,space, weather ,light ,darkness......blah blah!

so I dunno what to say except just quit thinking about it if it makes you uncomfortable

of course it cant be explained, please show me a way i can observe and test and feel it then?!?!?!?!

Originally posted by Skyfloating
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The constant talk about it by Egos on Internet is unbearably dull, I agree.

But the experience of Oneness is something else entirely.

Dont mistake the two. Namaste.

cant say how it feels like, all ive experienced is the dull internet egos, since you seem to know can you enlighten me?

Originally posted by Skyfloating
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The constant talk about it by Egos on Internet is unbearably dull, I agree.

But the experience of Oneness is something else entirely.

Dont mistake the two. Namaste.

cant say how it feels like, all ive experienced is the dull internet egos, since you seem to know can you enlighten me?

Originally posted by assasinforfather
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Your are of the devil and forgive me mods if i am wrong.

well Lucifer has marked me as one of his,

may his light shine brightly

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So what else is new? Tell us something we didn't know.

Originally posted by Tayesin

The perception is an Ultimate expression, one that is experienced by very few people as a reality in this time. It also provides the perception that everything is Perfect for Now. And considering the incredibly short human experience on the world so far, we are like Babies in their awareness of what exists around them, hence most cannot as yet possible understand the Concept let alone experience it as their reality.

and do you experience this?

No one is shoving anything down your throat. You are only having a typical "it's grinding on your own beliefs" experience of it so far. Which is what true statements do to people who are not aware or awake enough in that moment to grasp the concept clearly... it irks people, it annoys people, it gets under their skin so that may even rant against it to prove it wrong.. which in itself is also a symptom of not being ready yet to see it clearly.

Ya no one is shoving it down my throat, but its definitely prevalent enough to be a nuisance. No im not experiencing this "it's grinding on your own beliefs" thing because i am open to many different beliefs and am changing mine all the time.

True statements???? wow i did not know there was a master among us who knows truth, you are blessed and enlightened indeed oh great one known as ATS poster Tayesin!!!!

Oneness is not a Religion, nor a Belief, nor a Faith, nor any other sort of Attachment that humans may choose to accept. It is something that can be directly experienced, and in such a case it washes away the blindness of having attachments to Belief-Systems.. it opens the eyes so to speak.

It cannot be experienced simply from reading about it, hearing about or thinking about it, it can only be experienced through simple approaches and methods that require No Attachment in order to move beyond the Limitations of our Indoctrinations by our Culture.

I think the reason some people say it is the Source for all Religion, is that it is the only Source there is, and as such then it diversified itself into all the things we see before us today. But human beings in their limited perception experience do not or cannot see it, or simply turn their back on it in order to remain within their Comfort Zones that were Indoctrinated into them from the moment of their Birth.

ok please enlighten me to these ways since it cannot be explained or proven!!!

or will you tell me that i am not open minded enough so i am therefore not ready to hear of these ways of experiencing oneness???

In what way?

The thing people call God or the Universe, or Energetic-Awareness, or George even.. is One Energy that has diversified Itself into all the portions we see around us.. and all the ones we don't yet see around us. Quantum physics would say, Everything exists as One Energy vibrating at different rates. Which means the same thing really.

Followers also Believe God made everything. The only difference is in the Beliefs that are being attached to and the Perception having some degree of Limitation.. again Indoctrination caused.

wow how illuminating, you provide no evidence, links, not even a unified theory, just a energy is out there so therefore we are all one, explain to me how it works down to the core, and i would consider it.

or did you just read that response off of some website and think ya that sounds good, i remember hearing about energy being everywhere in science class so this must be right!

Why would anyone write about it on forums?

Firstly the wording of your question illustrates the limited perception currently attached to by yourself.. as it shows little understanding of the process involved.. but that's okay too... it is where you are at as a human being.. all good then for now.

i dont know i just thought that if i could experience infinite oneness with the universe, and feel this incredible state everyone keeps talking about i doubt i would ever want to use a computer again, let alone creating an online profile to a forum with pictures and a funny little name that i think is clever and further pushes my not-so-oneness by expressing my uniqueness, i think i would just sit and meditate all day feeling that amazing experience

As to the Why of it.. because within our world there are many thousands who are awakening to higher perception and will be driven to share to plant seeds for others.

Is that any different to Religious Missionary's going out into the world to spread the Word? No it isn't, with the exception of the Missionary's are spreading a very Limited Perception through the employment of Indoctrination Processes based solely in one Belief-System.. one that has roots all the way back into Sumeria where we can read about the real History of our Genesis as opposed to the highly edited and poor rendition we are left with today.

where are these thousands???

if they are so awakened why do the elite (the ones who have held and collected and kept secret the more likely than not true knowledge for thousands of years) still control everything and have such a strong hold on 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the people i interact with?

Without ever having had the direct experience of it yourself, it is impossible to understand it in a mental way or even formulate good questions to ask. Tricky huh?

heard that one before, "you are a heretic and a witch because you have never felt god in you, you have no right to question our beliefs, burn him at the stake!!"

yes indeed, very tricky!!

Most humans do not understand Unconditional Love. Sure we understand our petty, ego-driven, fantasy-evolved concepts of Love, we understand how we feel with our loved ones.. the closest thing to the experience of Unconditonal Love that is experienced by anyone is that of being a Parent. And yet even that pales into insignificance with the direct experience of the Aware-Energy of this Universe.. we call it Love because that is exactly how it feels.. but totally accepting, totally non-judgemental, completely Filling and highly Illuminating.

You will sometimes see a person who is experiencing this Total Aware-Energetic connection and wonder why they are being so very gentle, caring, obviously Happy, Content, calm and Shining so brightly as their whole body 'smiles'.

isnt the fact that unconditional love has to be unconditional a condition itself, oh no a paradox, run!!!!

i have felt this happy, content, calm, shinning, whole self smiling experience before (im not just saying that, i really have) but it came from more egocentric teachings not from the whole oneness belief!!!

That is correct. It does not give a Hoot. It is aware that the Duality of Good and Evil is only a Limited Perception in use, being experienced as a choice for this small world, and that such a Concept simply does not exist at rates of vibration (levels of awareness) higher than what we poorly term the Astral layers of Awareness.

ok so we agree it doesnt care, thats good,

Correct again in that not enough human beings have as yet woken up, or explored the other realms/layers of Awareness outside our wholly-blinded Human Perception of Reality. And from the few that do or have, less than 2 percent of those explorers would have delved further than the topmost layers of the Astral. In fact it is a rarity for any more than one or two indivicuals to have explored regions I term Soul levels of Awareness and "higher".

Those few have what we may call Authority to share from their direct expeirences, while the rest merely repeat from either Indoctrinated Cultural Beliefs, or their newly chosen Belief Attachments from the New-Age Industry. Which by the way has been heading down the same road as every other human endeavour so far, towards Greed, Ego and Manipulation of Followers. How sad really.

if you know what these ways are, like i asked earlier, please share so i and others may attempt!!!

Hi TT,

Originally posted by tankthinker
and do you experience this?

Yes, thank you for asking.

Originally posted by tankthinker
Ya no one is shoving it down my throat, but its definitely prevalent enough to be a nuisance. No im not experiencing this "it's grinding on your own beliefs" thing because i am open to many different beliefs and am changing mine all the time.

If it is annoying you in any way, as in a nuisance to you, then it is grinding on your current perspective. If it wasn't you wouldn't have a problem with it to begin with.

Originally posted by tankthinker
True statements???? wow i did not know there was a master among us who knows truth, you are blessed and enlightened indeed oh great one known as ATS poster Tayesin!!!!

Since you do not know me, only my words, you stand in no position to Judge me, to Belittle me, or otherwise Denegrate my offerings to the world in this time.

It is not my fault you do not understand nor as yet see the clarity being offered in this discussion that you place no value upon, so please do not treat me as if it is my fault.

Originally posted by tankthinker
ok please enlighten me to these ways since it cannot be explained or proven!!!

or will you tell me that i am not open minded enough so i am therefore not ready to hear of these ways of experiencing oneness???

A little search in my signature would show how to find this info.

No. You can see/read or hear them, but it doesn't mean you will see their value or even practice effectively for yourself. It would seem your Mind is Made Up already, and thus there is nothing anyone can DO for you until you drop the Superiority and become Naked... no attachments, no Beliefs, no Concepts.. empty and naked... and thus finally ready to move out of the current comfort zone.

Originally posted by tankthinker
wow how illuminating, you provide no evidence, links, not even a unified theory, just a energy is out there so therefore we are all one, explain to me how it works down to the core, and i would consider it.

or did you just read that response off of some website and think ya that sounds good, i remember hearing about energy being everywhere in science class so this must be right!

Excuse me, but do you respond to everything in life with such Haughty Negativity? Seriously, you do not see what the problem is?

You began a simple discussion, I responded with information from my own Experiences over the past 35+ years. Since very few people have ever explored similar regions to what I have then you will not find anything that I can link you to... save for the info found on my website from the link in my signature.

I am at a loss to understand the not so understated antagonisms in your replies to me. I simply offer my experiences out of Love and you come along, trample all over it in apparent blindness and then lay claim to me being some sort of idiot internet looney with no mind of one's own to think and experience without limitations.

Originally posted by tankthinker
i dont know i just thought that if i could experience infinite oneness with the universe, and feel this incredible state everyone keeps talking about i doubt i would ever want to use a computer again, let alone creating an online profile to a forum with pictures and a funny little name that i think is clever and further pushes my not-so-oneness by expressing my uniqueness, i think i would just sit and meditate all day feeling that amazing experience

I understand your perception. But, what we think we might be like and what we think we might do in such circumstances will always be very far from the reality. And only because in the thinking what we might be or do, before having any experience, there is a massive perceptional limitation.

Originally posted by tankthinker
where are these thousands???

if they are so awakened why do the elite (the ones who have held and collected and kept secret the more likely than not true knowledge for thousands of years) still control everything and have such a strong hold on 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the people i interact with?

Simple answer ... these people do not stand out in the crowds. 99.99% of the people you interact with are Sleepers.. not yet awake and thus still living in The Dream that was Indoctrinated into them from their moment of Birth.

These awakening few thousands of people operate on a fundamentally different approach and perceptional capability. Those few thousands in the world are not Seeking Recognition, they are fully aware that we must allow this phase of humanity to be completed before we can instigate the new that follows.

Hence they are more than likely found living on the Fringes of our Cultures, establishing Equanimity and Balance, Clarity of Perception and simply accepting the ways of man for now while they plant seeds or prepare themselves as time approaches for them to work on their tasks.

Again, the perceptions you are offering illustrate a closed mind attitude, despite claiming the opposite as well as some vehemence against those who you disagree with, all of which are showing limitations. Sorry to point this out in such a way.

Originally posted by tankthinker
heard that one before, "you are a heretic and a witch because you have never felt god in you, you have no right to question our beliefs, burn him at the stake!!"

yes indeed, very tricky!!

And why is that so?

If one does not have the experience of a thing, how can they possibly formulate an idea about it that is even partially honest and correct? Simple answer is, they cannot, whether you like the answer or not it is The Answer.

Originally posted by tankthinker
isnt the fact that unconditional love has to be unconditional a condition itself, oh no a paradox, run!!!!

i have felt this happy, content, calm, shinning, whole self smiling experience before (im not just saying that, i really have) but it came from more egocentric teachings not from the whole oneness belief!!!

No, only a paradox in some minds, and certainly not in reality. It doesn't have to be anything we Expect it Should be... because we know no different we place limitations on it without understanding it is Limitless.

Ahh, so you were shown through your experience that each Belief-System is based on one or two basic Gems and your problem therefore seems to be with the and apparently differing System to the Edifice you found it in.

If your experience led you to feel Joy for no reason, to feel connected to all Life around you, to bring you to tears of Joy for no reason, then I would agree you have experienced this Oneness.. otherwise what you experienced was more a passive balanced calmness, yes?

Originally posted by tankthinker
if you know what these ways are, like i asked earlier, please share so i and others may attempt!!!

Exactly what I am doing here and in other places. One does not Demand. Hence why some old time masters made Seekers sit outside the walls for days, weeks, months and even years in some cases in order for them to eventually clear away the blindness causing their Demanding behaviours.

Which was about them being ready.. and even though you have an opposition to this aspect of it, this is how it is and we will simply have to accept it eventually before we can step forward without it.

I know my answers will not satisfy you, so let me apologise now for what reactions may arise in you from reading this, and know too that none of my words are filled with animosity or disrespect to you.

Originally posted by tankthinker
wow how illuminating, you provide no evidence, links, not even a unified theory, just a energy is out there so therefore we are all one, explain to me how it works down to the core, and i would consider it.

I can't wait till the OP reads and responds to my last post.

What are your comments on my last post OP?

Not only do I explain how you are One with the Earth, and all life on it, but I kind of explain how the entire universe is connected by force and there for is One object made of many parts.

To experience oneness, you must KNOW and UNDERSTAND your place in the One Universe.

We humans are all related to the original humans from africa who evolved from earlier and earlier species back billions of years. We are all the same original lifeform from which all other lifeforms on earth were born.

your very existence is proof of love. your parents loved each other and you were born. No sexually reproducing life-form could exist if not for the love and attraction we feel for each other that inspires us to reproduce and care for our offspring.

Achieving a blissful meditative state free of ego and mundane trivial worldly things is great but you can't be that way all the time and it's good to share that with others so people post about it.

Consider the collective unconcious

I feel weird defending the religious kooks on here. I'm actually very anti-organized religion. Look at the history of world religions, they are bloody awful. The crusades, the inquisition etc. Evil and corrupt like all of mans great institutions of so called civilization.

How can you be pro-elitist, pro globalist, pro NWO? Do you like that the food and water supply are poisoned? Do you like that the middle class has been wiped out? Do you hate America, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of independence? Do you want a police state? Are you for weapon confiscation? Are you for unwilling sterilization? Are you happy to give up your sovereignty? What is it you like about any of this?

lemme tell you something. If you don't have 4 billion dollars and your not a member of the Bilderberg group, you and everyone you love is an expendable pawn to them. You go enjoy being a boot licking slave. Me, I'm gonna be a die-hard anarchist to the end.

I visualize humanity as all connected whether we see the lines of connectivity or not.
We are forming a grid, like a circuit board of light.
The amount of light each individual possesses varies, fluctuates like a flame or an incandescent bulb.
A dim bulb can be exposed or in the proximity of a brighter bulb and so become brighter.
A bulb surrounded by dim lights will also darken unless it has an extraordinary capacity for light storage and self generation or it summons other light source from straight upwards, rather than depending on fellowmen enlightening it from side to side.
To explain this; I mean to meditate and draw in light source from above rather than wither and fade by depending solely on your surrounding community to enlighten you.
Some people, (think Mother Theresa, Gandhi) can summon an extraordinary amount of light from a LARGER, omnipotent outside source. This happens to be "the original source" of all light and enlightenment. This light is embedded in us. sometimes, in some people, the inner light is off, black and dark. They are unenlightened beings.
Problems arise when many unenlightened beings gather together in one place and create a hole.
Weakens the fabric. Others can wander and unsuspectingly (by listening to them) fall into the hole.
It is a hole of ignorance.
The grid itself, is our life line. It will not suffer from isolated individual darkness and ignorance as long as on either side there is light enough to make up for the loss in this weak conductor.
If you pull out the faulty conductor you will only leave a hole in the fabric so this is an undesirable remedy.
You need to keep trying to light the dim bulb.

As many are trying to do here and now with TT.

Originally posted by blood0fheroes
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The answer it seems you seek, possibly more strongly than you care to admit, is easy.

To live a life by love, is to live a life with no fear, no regrets, and with the understanding that though the road that led me here may indeed have been a living hell at points - were it not for the cruelty of others and the hardships endured I would not be the strong (yet gentle), compassionate (yet discerning), optimistic (yet cautious), completely imperfect (yet completely aware of this) husband and father that I am today.

Compassion, humility, honesty, and fearlessness. These are the virtues that I strive for. Not because they are easy to attain, but rather the opposite. I believe there is a time and place for all emotions, and all virtues.

Regardless of which side of the coin you choose, Love and Hate are nonetheless the same coin still. One must seek balance in life, and in my opinion, more people have become aware of the need for balance through the side of love, than through the side of hate. Destruction is easy, any child can destroy. If you seek a true challenge, try creating something instead.

So, from the viewpoint of one who seeks balance in all things, it's really only a matter of which side you choose to let rule your life : the side that thinks only of the Self, or the side that thinks instead of others first.

Golly you got that many stars for this dribble! I hope you realize what you're describing is a criminal mindset and a passive-aggressive personality disorder.

Fearlessness is impossible. If we didn't fear, we'd die.

What you speak of is irrational nonsense, to be very nice about it.

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You picked the wrong place to ask this question. This site is filled with passive-aggressive, paranoid schizotypal's, and outright sociopaths. The people here band together under a mask of love, and gang-stalk anyone who counters their entirely irrational, idealistic perspectives. Go to a psychology board, or a philosophy board to find people who are more grounded in reality and have a better answer. What you get here is far from the norm, and nearly always disconnected from reality.

Well I had to go to the old family photo album and drag out the pictures to prove we are all related and connected.

Here is great great* nana and grandpa chillin' at the house. This is before they split up.


And here they are again.



* ad infinitum

The good old days. Life was a lot less complicated then.

What a wonderful analogy! I was trying to explain the concept to my husband - that you can still be yourself and part of the whole at the same time. I will shoot this across his bow and see if it sticks.

One marble thanks another marble!

I believe it all comes back to money and the love of a bank account. There are a lot of free videos on various sites and youtube enjoys a lot of hits from viewers and downloads but a lot have something to sell as most sites do. I had a boss that his wife left him a couple of years ago when she got caught up in the new age enlightenment and love community. She came back after her bank account was drained and she couldn't afford the love anymore.

He more than anyone else explained to me about the true concept of oneness and its message, It all sounds great and there is a lot of free sites and videos to get you interested and then the old money machine cranks up. Books, videos, and donations become the bottom line.

She is still a nice person and not bitter and kind of keeps up with the philosophy but she doesn't spend a penny on the materials anymore.

To me its a real turn off having someone ordering me to open my eyes and wake up, then belittling me because I'm not enlightened and special. Or the obvious code talk on threads where two of the awaken will hint that the non believer doesn't understand the awesome message that they share. Sounds kind of egotistical and smug to me. Where's the love in that?

In 30 years Evey one will have computer and internet and every thing will be voted on by all the people of the world. There will be a law. www.un.org...
And.. Freewill in thought, Simplistic moral logic and simplistic moral (Being the ten commandments.) love above free will in action. Complete free will in entertainment, investigating on the internet, freedom of speech, religion and internet2/Virtual reality (Where you cant tell the difference between reality and the virtual world. venturebeat.com... as long as it does not "seriously" harm any beings in real.

The universe is conscious.

There is no such hing as nothing. Space is infinite (Yu cant destroy it.) and so is matter, it just changes from. There is no begging and no end. It's infinite and its GOD.

We are on earth going 5000 miles through space towered a black hole.
There are infinite (Bubbles.) Universes and infinite black holes. Each universe traveling to one of the many black holes. Getting sucked in then getting so compact they explode and create universes This going on for infinity.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Those who are EVIL and abuse their gift that was given to them by GOD...Consciousness. Stay in the black hole/abyss where Satan harms them for eternity.






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You want to experience oneness for yourself just take a (granted you are in a country where it is legal) heroic dose of mushrooms or '___', or better yet cut to the mystical chase grow some balls and drink some Ayahuasca or smoke some '___', afterall, '___' has been used safely by humans MUCH MUCH longer than any pharmaceutical on the market.

Oneness is simple, and pretty obvious really, I mean, its only your opinion bound by words that causes you to think in separation. Sit for a while, long enough for all the words to float away and all the thoughts to stop, then youll be close to understanding, or rather, experiencing oneness, there are many methods, and coming from a NWO supporter, I am really surprised you dont understand how we are all ONE.

Or just look at it like this, ALL of any kind of created existence or non existence, can be summed up as one large operation, or one organism, or one idea. Its up to the observer to decide how complex it needs to be to be able to understand your purpose in this giant experience.

It can be explained, but it really wont be fully comprehended by someone who has yet to experience full blown ego dissolution and completely merging with the all of the "SEEMINGLY"separate/intricate multi dimensional universes, But to me, it has always been a rational understanding, that, the forces or whatever source be it scientific or supernatural the fable of a label matters not at all, in whatever beginning or non beginning, like the big bang fo one common example, it was all in one spot and exploded out into this. Now I know it seems crazy to try to think what you might have been thinking as the big bang happened, but its really not that far fetched. ONENESS BABY and if it makes you crazy, well hey, thats fine because with a realization that allows one to forgive you before you even trespass, a realization that leaves you buzzing with bliss even if youre bleeding and in pain.

To many, a pretty rational approach to understanding oneness can be found by reading and really putting some still thought into texts such as the Tao Te Ching, or the Bhagavad Gita. Or get familiar with transcendentalists.

Originally posted by tankthinker
True statements???? wow i did not know there was a master among us who knows truth, you are blessed and enlightened indeed oh great one known as ATS poster Tayesin!!!!

Greetings my friend,

I am a Master who knows Truth, so I am here to share what I can in hopes that you will be a bit more enlightened. Before I begin, it is necessary that we understand some terminology and avoid confusion in my message.

First, Master.

When I say Master I mean I am one who knows myself. That is all a Master is, can be, or ever will be. It is impossible to know anyone else, and almost impossible to know ones self, at least without getting beneath all the muck we have built up around ourselves through life.

Second, Truth.

When I say Truth, I am describing my Truth. It is the only Truth we can ever come to know, and it is only a small part of the whole Truth.

Lastly, One.

One is God. It is everything as a whole. Much like the individual cells make up your whole body, every wave of energy in the universe makes up the whole of the intelligence which binds it together.

So, we are all One from this universal perspective, yet we are but small parts of it all like the tiny cell is a part of your whole body.

Now, to further illustrate our connection to each other, we all come into life with but one yearning desire. That is to be loved. Every man woman and child desires this at their very core. Some have received very little of it and have become bitter, oppressive, and angry at the world because of it, but they still have that desire.

From that desire, we can see that there is one Law that we are to follow from this universe. That is to Love each other. It is by giving Love, that we can then receive it. The more we give, the more we receive. Unfortunately, many of us forget this Law as we grow older. We forget it because others failed to abide by it. Since others fail to abide by it, we choose not to as well. What this creates is the dog eat dog world we live in. We fight for survival sacrificing any and all others who stand in our way as we go through life. This is what we were taught by others, not what we were born with. Like a cancer cell in the body, hate, oppression, anger, fear, spread through the body, our society.

Some of us recognise this and try to cure the patient when ever the opportunity presents itself. We try to show love, share our Truth (we all have a different version of it), and heal the patient. You may experience this as unpleasant, because you have learned that Love is weak and the patient is beyond hope. But, look beyond your own pain and ask yourself what it is that YOU desire at your inner most core. Is it not to be loved for who you are?

Now, time for me to be the student again. What is it that you have found is the Truth in your own life?

Judge not, Love All, be at peace.

With Love,

Your Brother

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Nice visual my friend,

I should have looked at it before I posted. It would have saved me a bit of text!

With Love,

Your Brother

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sorry dont have time to respond to everything but i wanted to clarify something!

"If your experience led you to feel Joy for no reason, to feel connected to all Life around you, to bring you to tears of Joy for no reason, then I would agree you have experienced this Oneness.."

yes i have experienced this, but with totally egocentric teachings, my animosity towards you is to produce a certain desired effect towards readers, i really have no reason to care about who you are and what you are doing, neither in a positive nor negative way,

i have been open to this oneness theory before, but it never worked for me,
and as i have said it could be perfectly true,

my main qualm is with people coming onto ATS and claiming that it is absolute truth, presenting it out of context, and preaching it with little understanding,

for example people who come and say something like this written by ptmckiou

"The world is NOT a hostile place...that is an illusion. There is nothing that can happen to you while on this earth that can harm the real YOU. Your soul is energy and it cannot be harmed. You are not your body....don't mistaken the vessel that carries the real you as being you. What is the worst that can happen to you on this earth? You die? Your tortured? Neither harm the real you...your soul, your universal consciousness that is connected to all. You incarnating into 3D affords you the illusion to experience negativity, which is not in your normal 5D realm. Negativity is a gift you encounter while incarnated here to have a better perspective of what is good. Most of our most educational and growing experiences come from hard times. Consequently, no matter what I encounter in life...my glass is always half full. My higher self (soul) is never harmed by what my 3D self here encounters."

how does this poster know, he came on, stated a multitude of supposed facts which are really all his belief and provides no backup or explanation as to why this might be true. It just sounds like random gibberish to me. And no its not because im lazy that i refuse to go out and research this stuff, i refuse to go out and research it because you provide very little motivation for me to do so,

all the things i choose to research i do so because they provided viable theories that were presented in ways that made it seem possibly viable and worth looking into and that had further avenues of research potential.

but many of the sites and such that have been given to me by these people always say the same thing, provide little scientific or often logical evidence and never seem to be practical to life.

i learned that there are 3 levels of a theory:

1)A description (understanding of what is being stated/theorized)
2)An explanation of what is being argued showing both induction and deduction for it to be most potentially accepted
2.5)it must be falsifiable (must be able to come up with experiments/measurements that attempt to disprove it, in order to prove its validity)

and the last one is very rare for theories to have and only the best have it:

3)A tool for generating predictions and making prescriptions, what does it do for us in the real world (in a practical sense)


until someone can provide something like the above for the oneness/eternal love theory, which i find hard to believe will happen on ATS, im afraid i will never be able to take it much more seriously than already has been done, and im sure that there are millions more people who would agree with me on this point,

im totally open to the idea of it, just not the absurdity of it.