Dr S. Greer was programmed to DISCREDIT HIMSELF!

Greer was hypnotised shortly after putting his disclosure document together for release in 2000-ish.

DISCLOSURE - Scrib'd copy, available to download

The subliminal influencing was sinister and deemed entirely necessary given the circumstances of the 400+ witnesses etc. In the beginning he was just interested in getting witness testimonies out there, and gaining the ear of politics. Since the hypnotism, he has shamelessly gone down the route of HOAXING and CHARLATANISM, EGO-TRIPPING and MONEY-MAKING. How else were the Powers That Be going to put a stop to the disastrous momentum of the well-intentioned yogic practitioner / medical professional?

His fees for those weeks away/memberships are scandalous and beyond all reasonable levels of decency. No mentally balanced person would think they could possibly get away with it and stay respectable in the community they purport to serve.

It's so bleedin' obvious when you think about it. Check this out:

Derren Brown's HERO at 30,000 Feet

I'm watching Derren's new show on how he turned a lacklustre, demotivated waster/ bum into a "Hero" who would save the day in an airline disaster.

What if the tables were turned for Greer - hypnotised to ensure that he saves everyone a lot of trouble and bit by bit, ultimately DISCREDITS HIMSELF!!! It's obvious that such character changes can be accomplished by subversive hypnotism. Links will be forthcoming as proof of this fact.



OKAY - THE SERIOUS QUESTION..... (the above is intended to provide quasi-humorous context)

Whatever happened to the original witnesses to Disclosure - all 400 and more of them (who weren't roped and suckered/ tempted/ hypnotised) into making money at the conferences. I'm talking about the retired UK Armed Forces chief, the radar guys, the senior presidential aides and whatnot. Are they still out there, ready to testify under the authority of a congressional hearing? Are they baffled by the transformation of humble, small town doctor into grotesque charlatan?


Just musing.


Noah.

My personal opinion:

Greer was always working for TPTB. I don't think he's a charlatan, I think he is a shrewd, manipulating, dis-info agent whose job it was to lure high-profile witnesses out into the open where they could be harassed, or otherwise discredited.

He's single handedly done more to discredit ufology than any other person.

reply to post by NoahTheSumerian


NoahTheSumerian.....

On the other hand, he could just be a narcistic, greedy, dishonest con man & hoaxer

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Well, when I listen to interviews of him lately, compared to the videos he gave during the Disclosure Project, he seems to be the exact same temperament. His "Physics of Consciousness" interview was "sold" in almost the same way that he "sold" Disclosure Project.

I personally think the Disclosure Project is 100% legitimate, but that Greer jumped on the bandwagon and is just riding it for fame. It's an absolute tragedy that the dozens of brave ex-military officials have become associated with him. Then again, maybe we're all wrong about Greer being a charlatan at all? Maybe he's just misunderstood =)

reply to post by NoahTheSumerian


NoahTheSumerian.....

Whatever happened to the original witnesses to Disclosure - all 400 and more of them (who weren't roped and suckered/ tempted/ hypnotised) into making money at the conferences. I'm talking about the retired UK Armed Forces chief, the radar guys, the senior presidential aides and whatnot. Are they still out there, ready to testify under the authority of a congressional hearing? Are they baffled by the transformation of humble, small town doctor into grotesque charlatan?

Those witnesses must be reviewed & critiqued on a case-by-case basis.....

Some sunk into obscurity because their material was poorly validated, inaccurate, not credible, hearsay, etc...

Some sunk into obscurity because they were terminally damaged by their association with Greer.

Some sunk into obscurity because of a combination of the above.

Some still continue as UFO "media whores".

Some still continue in a genuine effort to help us understand this incredibly difficult topic of "UFO's".

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by RedBird


How has he done more to discredit "Ufology"? I actually think it was him, among a few other "frauds" that got me interested in it. Personally, I don't like hearing "ufologists" talking about the phenomenon and being afraid to make (to me) the obvious conclusions Greer makes. The field has always been laughable by the mainstream culture and I would argue that very few people outside of the conspiracy websites have could name more than 5 "ufologists". Actually, I'm not even sure I can but I also don't get caught up with who said what, I just know what captures my interest. The field has never had any credible well known supporters anyway, and the second a credible person does come out (russian governor, candadian, all the military officers) someone comes and says they are delusional.

I don't support Greer in anyway but the arguments used to discredit him are just getting over played now if you ask me, and the fact that people still buy is stuff says something. I do like this thread though and the though of him being programmed, it is a very good possibility that someone wants him only to release bits and pieces of the story...

reply to post by kyle43


What about highly respected scientists like J. Allen Hynek and Jacques Vallees who studied the phenomenon from a scientific point of view. I have never seen anyone attempt to discredit their work and they have also done more for ufology than Greer ever could, while not coming to the "obvious" conclusions. They don't make the evidence fit their world view like Greer does, instead they let the evidence lead to their natural conclusions, which in many cases is inconclusive. I've said this time and again, ufology started falling apart when it started using baseless assumptions as the basis of widely accepted theories, such as the ET hypothesis.

After reading his book - and seeing the link between him the Rockerfellers and the Clintons - I see he is either a puppet used to prolong disclosure or just after the money. Maybe both.

What perfect way to stall diclosure by bringing all the legit insiders/whistle-blowers and then heading (along with Steve mafia Bassett - Richard Doolan, Nick Pope to name a few) and CAPITALIZE at the same time....

...exactly how a 'black government' would operate. It is never as simple as some in this thread will have you believe, MAYBE if they read the literature instead of just giving personal opinion they'd have a stronger case. The incessant name calling really shows the level of intellect these posters operate on...ego.

Ciao!

Steven Greer does seem to get a bad press, but the Disclosure Video/Book must have got loads of people interested in UFOs? so surely not such a bad thing?

Could he have been got to? who knows?

I often wonder about David Shayler? whats the story there?


en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by NoahTheSumerian


peoples' intentions and opinions are malleable. meaning in this context: capable of being altered or controlled by outside forces or influences. It is far more easier to influence and control peoples' actions and behaviors, and opinions, than many seem to even believe is possible (maybe due to social engineering programming techniques).

is it possible Greer is/was just a tool? possibly, but the receptivity of the tool's stories demonstrates some level of being not immune to hypnotic suggestions by those who believe his stories hook, line, and sinker.

Maybe...Maybe not does share evidence that Greer does demonstrate some none-effective characteristics, profit for stories, making money more so than spreading truth, impo.

can people be programmed without knowing their opinions have been altered, but not altered by the facts?
i believe so, and there are a few short films in this thread that demonstrates how:
Subliminal Manipulation today. Can you see it?

If Greer was programmed to discredit himself, the anchors were set early, earlier than the beginning of his career.

this is my current opinion. But i would also advise to take note of what Maybe...Maybe Not chooses to share with us.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


How can one study something that is unknown, from a scientific view point? What do they actually have to study? How is that actually progressing the ufology field more than Greer?

reply to post by kyle43


All of science is an unknown. By using empirical observation one is able to deduce theories from this evidence. This is what Hynek and Vallees did. They collected thousands of reports and interviewed witnesses, discarded those that could have a mundane explanation and then looked at what was left. From these they were able to come to some conclusions, but they made no definite claims as to what the phenomenon was because the evidence did not provide a conclusive answer. Unfortunately, most ufology writers work from the premise that UFOs are ET spacecraft, so instead of actually looking at the phenomenon and drawing conclusions, they start with conclusions and then find evidence that fits it while discarding that which doesn't. Despite what most ufologists will lead you to believe, the evidence we have points to this phenomenon being much more complex than extraterrestrial visitors and government black projects.

She Blinded Me With Science!

Originally posted by kyle43
How can one study something that is unknown, from a scientific view point?

The purpose of science is to study the unknown.

As for Dr. Greer, if he was programmed, then whoever programmed him deserves a bonus.

An interesting theory as i have suspected this time to time myself. But i doubt it i think it is just his true nature greedy delusional people are quite common. He could have been the following.

1. programmed/Brainwashed MKULTRA

2 been a disinfo operative CIA planted from the start

3. was a self serving opportunist the whole time

4. threatened by TPTB and is ruining his credibility on purpose


We just wont know unless proven so we can only speculate for now. What is important is what he is doing now and how far he has strayed from the disclosure project and the participants. The disclosure project was the real deal imo. What we do know is he is hurting UFOligy none the less and taking advantage of people who don't know better. If he was "programmed" or "planted" it really does not matter at this point the damage is done. I think he is just a greedy selfish person if you ask me and started out legitimate later selling out.He seems too narcissistic and self centered just by personality so that tells me it is all Stephen Greer behind the BS and not TPTB. Beware of Stephen Greer he is disinfo and is the facilitator many scams now.

Originally posted by RedBird
My personal opinion:

Greer was always working for TPTB. I don't think he's a charlatan, I think he is a shrewd, manipulating, dis-info agent whose job it was to lure high-profile witnesses out into the open where they could be harassed, or otherwise discredited.

He's single handedly done more to discredit ufology than any other person.

Holy crap RedBird, that is THE BEST assessment I have ever heard regarding Greer! I'm can't say with certainty that it is correct, but it is at least plausible. My hat goes off to you sir.

reply to post by NoahTheSumerian

Dr S. Greer was programmed to DISCREDIT HIMSELF!

Some people are bad apples. Do you remember that kid at school who'd always lie about how their holidays were always better than yours? If anything got robbed, they were usually the thief? Greer was likely that lonely kid at school who'd steal stuff to make himself feel better. Pretty sad...sigh.

In his public life, he's been associated with a string of lies and congenital dishonesty. It's a part of his tawdry character. Hypnosis was several years too late...he discredits himself by being the kind of person he is.

Way before his Disclosure Project in the mid-90s, he was involved in a 'Best Available Evidence' UFO document for Rockefeller. MUFON, FUFOR and CUFOS were represented by the defunct UFO Research Coalition. Don Berliner and Antonio Huneeus were primarily paid as consultants and to write the document. It isn't the most surprising collection of incidents...simply a predictable (interesting) collection... "UFO Briefing Document: The Best Available Evidence"

Just as the sun rises each day so Greer can see his way to the bathroom, he decided that he'd actually invented the concept, title and contents. After the document was created, Greer took it, put a new cover on it, copyrighted it as his own and began trying to sell copies. Now, some people would call that 'stealing the work of others.' Others could call it piracy. Whatever it was...a court 'cease and desist order' soon put an end to his dishonesty and he had to stop (more here).

He bitched and whined that the Rockefeller document should be "PUBLIC DOMAIN, NON-COPYRIGHTED DOCUMENT." So he published his own and charged $30 for it as the Disclosure Project! He then bitched and whined about the non-disclosure of Governments and went on to have people sign 'non-disclosure agreements.'

So yeah, the hypnosis was five years too late. The unpopular little classroom kid grew into a Greer. He's replaced the childhood tales of exotic vacations for wild accounts of 'briefing' world leaders and talking to aliens. As a conman, he's finally found success. Awwww it just warms the heart

reply to post by NoahTheSumerian


That is interesting spin on a circular logic often employed on this board; I am surprised Greer's followers here have not tried using it before. David Icke uses the same logic to defend himself from criticism. Greer is right for being wrong, infallible in his fallibleness. If Greer is wrong about something, if his antics discredit him, it is not evidence he is wrong but evidence of a cover-up.

Apparently Greer has been a New Age Guru for a long time in the Yogi Maharishi hoax
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think Dr. Greer and his story of him building up to May 11th, 2001 conference in Washington and how he became after the incident is sad. I think he was or he thought he was on top of his game and he was so close to getting things moved in the government to get them to admit there is something. I saw video of his conference being well received in the media or should I say, they at least explained his mission of the disclosure project on cnn and others. Did you see the whole room packed in that conference room? I would of thought that I was the best and happy to get this stuff in the light it deserves to be in if I was Greer. Of course 9-11 happened and that sent his mission to the Stone Age and other people stepped up into his thunder and witnesses and his mission branched out into other people’s hands to try to recover what he put together. His aspiration now lays in his belief that the sole mission now is not ufo disclosure but ufo energy source. He claims they are holding such technology back. I remember him saying that he has the means, if funded, to manifest such energy. But now almost 5 years later from him saying that he seems to still not have any takers. I finally saw him crawl from his hiding when the oil disaster occurred, I’m thinking trying to push his energy agenda again. He surely has made me think all these years.

reply to post by Maybe...maybe not


Thanks for that post; it confirmed exactly my suspicions regarding the remaining witnesses. In particular, that these high profile witnesses have been damaged by association is a travesty. My personal reaction (were I to have been one of those particular witnesses) would be outrage, followed by confusion, then disappointment - and finally leaving me with a deep-rooted scepticism of anyone purporting to be concerned with finding the Truth, seeking disclosure etc.

I've not researched Greer enough yet to have an opinion on his motivations. I came to an awareness of who he is in a roundabout way. I read "Disclosure", and as I read I was thinking 'please God, don't let this guy be a dill'...

Then I did some preliminary research - the Maharishi University of Management made my heart sink a bit. Then I read of TM-Sidhi practices - it sank some more. It finally flubbered to the floor with a splat when I saw that he was associated with 'Pegasus Research Consortium'. ARGH!

I'd been so excited when I read 'Disclosure'!!! First time I looked at the Pegasus site was about a year ago, and I haven't returned since. They'd posted some sweeping statement like "Amateur astronomer finds base on the moon, when cloaking tech failed momentarily". With intrigue (having followed anomalous imagery from Clementine etc) I clicked on the link, and was saddened to see a SKETCH of a moonbase, with a 'sworn statement' to support the SKETCH. 'Nuff said.

I don't discount the suggestion in my OP that perhaps Greer has been psychologically interfered with; user MemoryShock has posted some interesting threads about the use of manipulative techniques to adjust behaviour. Perhaps, despite the dubious association with the Maharishi program, he genuinely was well-intentioned and did manage to seriously unnerve the PTB, leading to a new approach to dealing with someone who gets close to the truth (it's harder to 'send someone to the Island' in our information age I guess). It would be easy enough to set up wouldn't it? "Hey Greer - I'm a five star general and I'd like to talk to you about UFOs" Greer arrives, a suit jabs him with some hypnotic or other, then the games begin.

I myself experienced a hypnosis session aged 14, which was extremely suspicious in several regards. After that, my life went downhill, and I (repeatedly) made some monumentally stupid decisions - which would always retrospectively baffle me, as to the 'reasons' I'd made them. I wondered recently whether in fact certain subliminals had been implanted, to encourage me down a path to ruin - to what end I can't say, so I've left the theory on the shelf for now.

So anyway, having taken myself off-topic, I'll bring this post to a swift conclusion by saying: I think it's high time someone tries to locate and support the witnesses that had formerly been associated with Greer. As Maybe...Maybe Not has said, on a case-by-case basis. Taking steps to ensure they can't leave themselves open to psy-manipulation.


Noah.