meat = shorter life

Before I got sick I was going to switch to a Karmic-Friendly diet. (kinda hindu). But when I got sick all the karmic friendly foods pretty much went out the window and I'm stuck on a high-meat diet (the little bit that I am able to eat, that is). If that brings me closer to this miserable existence ending .. all the better. I'm looking forward to it.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by xEphon

 

That's why I asked him for some kind of reference for his acid statement before.

He says, but he doesn't cite. I looked in vain for actual HCl acid levels (not Ph) for carnivores. Human gastric acid averages .5% (5000 ppm).

What he's doing is using the tried and true method of misconstruing facts to drive home a point.
It is possible for the human stomach to reach pH levels of 4; however, that is only after the gastric acid is diluted with food. Once your pH starts to rise, your body triggers the release of more HCl to bring the pH back down to around 1.5 for better digestion. But, for the purpose of the vegetarian agenda, saying the stomach has a constant pH 4-5 seems to be working out well.

Originally posted by Ong Bak
so 25 years and 50 thousand people involved ina study still arent enough?
how much would it take then?

16,984,874,321,567,234,987,298,981,724 years.
and all people.

till then please pass me the




surprisingly, cats taste like chicken,
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yep, tastes like chicken,
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If the study is from the government, it should be questioned, as the government backed scientist tend to fudge on the numbers, or do experiments that are not fully correct in their nature. The best example I can remember in my lifetime is the claim that sugar will give you cancer. You know after feeding rats so much sugar they got cancer. Course when it was reviewed, it turned out that a person would have to eat 4 pounds of sugar a day for about 20 years to get cancer, but when the results came out, everyone rushed to get the artificial sweetner until the truth about such came out.
Eating meat is not a bad thing, cause according to most in the anthropology area of science all tends to state the same thing: It was eating meat that lead to the development of the brain in modern humans. Yes they ate vegitables, but that supplimented the diets.
I find the entire study flawed, as it did not show the environmental factors that also would affect health, rather just focusing on the diet of what they ate. Well if modern science has told us anything, living in a large city would shorten life, as compared to those living in rural areas, cause of the air pollution. Others factors in the study do not take into account to things such as the difference between organic meats as compared to processed, and what all is in the meat that may be causing such.
The other little thing that comes to mind, is do you really want to trust an organization that has not cured anything recently, and has led the country to a problem with their health currently? I refer to the fact that there is an epidemic of people who are Vit. D deficient. The cure for such is going outside and getting sun on your skin, but that is bad cause it will give you sun cancer. See the problem?

It's been a while since I have not eaten meet, it feels great.
I would recomand it to anyone who wishes to feel better in general.
Stop feeding on the week, we are evolved animals, we should make a difference.

Originally posted by pepsi78
It's been a while since I have not eaten meet, it feels great.
I would recomand it to anyone who wishes to feel better in general.
Stop feeding on the week, we are evolved animals, we should make a difference.

Lions, tigers and bears are evolved animals also. why don't you try converting them first.

I am sure it will go quite well for you.

reply to post by butcherguy

I'm not trying to convert anyone, I have a cat it eats it's food.
I'm just stating how it is, not imposing my will. Who knows maybe things will change in the future and we will need
no more meat.

Oh please, what is 5 years when your 70 anyways? Probably wishing I ate more crap when I could've by that time. Also, why is it that vegetarians are always trying to tell us to not eat meat? I dont come up to you trying to get you to stop eating vegetables, and for you wise out there not eating meat will not save animals from dying. Its called the food chain and were on top of it, and I plan on fully assuming my position there by eating whatever i see fit (and is decently healthy).

reply to post by almu9851

The notion of the food chain is so primitive.
Were is our advancement ?

I'm so tired of these silly studies. I've seen studies about how meat eaters live longer as well, and it seemed just as valid.
I've also seen plenty of studies that suggest non-meat eaters are physically weaker, have weaker immune systems, less chance of surviving under stressful situations, and various other issues that meat eaters do not deal with.

This battle for who is right will never be won. Good luck with it. I choose to spend my time in a more valuable fashion though, such as a nice steak and salad dinner at TGIF.

reply to post by pepsi78
Just going by what you said...

Stop feeding on the week, we are evolved animals, we should make a difference.

seemed like you were exhorting your fellow man to do something different.

reply to post by butcherguy

It's really choice, it's not a problem if you make the left one I would say.
Sure meat tastes good, I'm not going to lie and I don't blame anyone, but we are not beasts, were not.
I don;t get it why do others pray on the weak, "just because I can" does not really justify it, it can't.
I know more than you so I get to go wrong, I am king of the hill, I do what I want.
No one is the king of the hill except for the hill.
Meat does taste good, I would say it's a sacrifice not to eat meat. You give something up knowing it's hard to do.
You control your desire, it does not control you. Should be on the instinct side too, something tells me it's wrong to kill, I have a hunch.

Originally posted by spacemanjupiter
I'm so tired of these silly studies. I've seen studies about how meat eaters live longer as well, and it seemed just as valid.
I've also seen plenty of studies that suggest non-meat eaters are physically weaker, have weaker immune systems, less chance of surviving under stressful situations, and various other issues that meat eaters do not deal with.

There are substitutes you know.

This battle for who is right will never be won

What is right anyway ? or left. People keep saying the "right way"
It seems like indoctrination to me, words imply meanings. You will find out that not everything that on the right side is best to do, the right side deals with power and control, "it's the right thing to do" The more faster you go
the more right you are until you crash and find out there is a bigger right out there than you and that maybe you are not the top of the food chain. Just like us maybe there are other beasts, and then you go, these beasts ate my children ? What a bunch of beasts "right" ? it's not fair. So it's okay as long as you rule and get to do what you want. "because it's the right thing to do" Who writes this stuff anyway, all this doctrine.

I would say programming languege, I know it, I used to work with it.
People are programed to accept it as a fact "that it's the right thing to do"

The china study as has been noted by other members is questionable at best, the author appears to have been caught out lying and messing with data on various issues. However there are a few important things to note.

Heavy meat consumption is correlated with increased risk of heart disease, certain cancers and stroke. However these correlations seem to disappear in people who eat a well balanced diet. Also note that the longest lived populations seem to eat meat quite happily.

Yes western society consumes to much meat and apart from the health effects we could solve a lot of the issues around future food supplies if we ate more plant based foods. However meat can and does have a role in the diet and a vegetarian diet does not suit some people (me being one of them). The vegetarian movement has it's fanatics and sadly they abuse statistics and studies like this idiotic china study nonsense.

Meat is good.

Meat is good.

What do you mean by that ?
That it tastes good ? That it makes you strong ? From what point of view, good as in good for you, and only for you and bad on a general level ? What is good for you might be bad for others that you eat.

reply to post by xEphon


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In some animals, such as cats and dogs, the pH of the lumen is lower, usually between 1 and 2. In contrast, the human stomach pH is usually between 2 and 3.

reply to post by Ong Bak


The study doesn't show that up to 40 years ago we are eating more refine sugars that any other country in the world along with refined carbohydrates, a meat base diet without the sugars and refine carbs is actually quite healthy, that is how our ancestors were able to survive during their time.

Processed and refined food items is a modern disease that is killing Americans with diabetes and hart diseases, in another decade we are to become the nations with the most diabetic people in the world, and that is after the FDA made the food pyramid high in fiber and fruits, but forgot to tell people to stay away from refined foods and sugar.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Research on water cure you be amazed on how we treat our bodies and just a littler bit of water and salt can do the trick. . .

Originally posted by pepsi78

Meat is good.

What do you mean by that ?
That it tastes good ? That it makes you strong ? From what point of view, good as in good for you, and only for you and bad on a general level ? What is good for you might be bad for others that you eat.

edit on 10-9-2010 by pepsi78 because: (no reason given)

Well done on the over reaction, i dunno i try and inject a bit of light heartedness and you get all uppity. Check what i posted and understand what i meant by "meat is good" within the context of that post.

Oh but to explain it better, i like the taste ok? That is what i meant by it.

reply to post by weemadmental


Pig meat isn't good for you. Nothing off a pig is healthy for the human body.
It makes some sense. The meat of a pig is 90% or more similar of that of humans.

Chicken and sea food is much more healthier for the body than any meat.
The place with the highest longetivity rate is Japan.
The people there drink lots of green tea and eat plenty of sea food.

I wish bacon and ribs didn't taste so * good *. I had to stop eating them last Jan,
when I officially became a Pescetarien.

Edited for the misspell of "to"