Would You Vote For A Muslim?

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


Dear God! The United States was not founded as a Christian nation. You guys need to stop rewriting history and learn the truth!
www.usbible.com...
www.nobeliefs.com...
www.infidels.org...
blogs.discovermagazine.com...

some people are idiots....

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel

Originally posted by lestweforget

Are you kidding me or what!
Are the majority of Americans stupid, ignorant or both?
You already have a muslim president!

They see me trollin they hatin.
Seriously President Obama is not a Muslim. He is a Christian.

Obama is a Christian now? When did he convert? I thought he went to Wright's Liberation Theology Church, which is ANYTHING but Christian!

I'd no more vote for a muslim for president than I would a "fundamentalist" Christian. Certain religious classes can't keep their beliefs and their politics separate. Islam, in particular, is more than a religion, it's a complete socio-political religious system. The wrong connections between religion and politics are already built-in to it.

So no, I can forsee no possible sequence of events that would cause me to vote for a muslim, any more than any series of events could get me to vote for Pat Robertson or any of his followers.

They just can't compartmentalize their religion, and that's not a good thing for the general public.

Yes.

A resounding yes.

There's no reason not to, unless he's incompetent, and then the fact of being a Muslim would be a non issue. I would never use somebody's religion or culture, or ethnicity be a factor in my voting.

It's about the abilities, qualifications and persona of the person.

~Keeper

reply to post by nenothtu


First off what makes a Christian a Christian? That is like be being a Protestant Christian and then saying Catholics are not Christians. How can I actually prove they are not Christians? I can't Like no one can prove or not a God or Goddess exist. People have faith and are different which shouldn't make them less or more then a believer then you could be in life.

I'd vote for a tree with the way it's going right now. At least then its green..

reply to post by Romantic_Rebel


Really?

Do you understand what is Natural Law?

A quick understanding will be necessary for you to understand where our Constitution comes from. Yes, Locke and other philosophers were used. BUT, where did they get their ideas.

First off, thou shalt not harm another. I guess that is not a Christian tenet? Naaa. Must of been some crazy idea they came up with from no where.

Anyway, the Constitution has a standard component that describes the Christian faith pretty well.

CHOICE.

I would never force my beliefs on anyone, as Jesus would not. You have the right to decide for yourself. To harm someone, or to not.

You have the right as an individual to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (Property). You are to not harm anyone or to infringe on their rights of Life, Liberty or Property.

Yeah, that was not spiritual in nature, that came from the OPRAH show or something.

Please, if you are going to link to things, at least read what you are linking, or at least expand your horizons.

Really now? I would like to see it then!
Looks like I already proved you wrong.
atheism.about.com...
secular.embassyofheaven.com...
blogs.alternet.org...
freethought.mbdojo.com...

reply to post by chaseninja


i don't care if he's muslim or not. as long as he's catholic he's ok in my book. **snicker** the sad fact is, no matter how much we want to try and be an open minded country, we're not. no matter what we tell the world, we're just as "backward" as some other countries. we'll never have an openly non christian president. look at how much "obama is a muslim" trash we're getting. it took this long to have a black president, and the way it looks, it'll be another couple hundred years before we have another. he was condemned before elected. guilt by association is all it takes. but we'll all be dead by then, so it doesn't really matter. now does it?

reply to post by Romantic_Rebel


I think Protoplasmic Traveler would have a very large thread for you to read, if you think this nation was not created under theocratic beliefs.

Maybe read through his epic thread, quite enlightening.

Anyway, linking 3 or 4 blogs or blatantly non historical links, does your argument no justice.

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


Non historical links? Does it matter what the links file under or not? No! If you can link me to his thread then I will read it and see what he has to say.

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower



Funny you mention choice....

Just curious, you for or against the woman's right to terminate a pregnancy?

True Christians would honor and respect their fellow human beings for whatever decisions they decide to do with their bodies. Besides, the judging of others is up to the Christian God, not his/her creations.

reply to post by Romantic_Rebel


All roads lead to Rome

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
reply to post by Romantic_Rebel

 

All roads lead to Rome

Thank you for the link! Dear God look at all the pages! Just a little joke.
I would get back at you later. O 800 hundred hours tomorrow.

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
reply to post by saltheart foamfollower

 

Funny you mention choice....
Just curious, you for or against the woman's right to terminate a pregnancy?
True Christians would honor and respect their fellow human beings for whatever decisions they decide to do with their bodies. Besides, the judging of others is up to the Christian God, not his/her creations.

Yes, as a true Christian, I give you your choice to do sin. I will not judge you, but I will judge the sin.

What is weird, I have gotten into arguments with fellow Christians about this. I always go back to the word. Yes, it is evil. It is barbaric. But, you cannot force moral choices. You cannot force a person to make the right CHOICE. They have to decide.

You can assume or postulate there is a cognitive dissonance, but there is not. Even one that chooses such a despicable act, can receive salvation.

Who am I to judge? Who are you to judge? Who is anyone to judge?

I will pray for all those that walk the path of destruction. I cannot force anyone to the path. It is their own choice. Period.

God Bless and Peace my friend.

Unfortunately, that question is not as easy to answer as it sounds. Islam is not just a religion. Islam encompasses political and social tenets in addition to the religious aspect.

The concept that the government cannot or should not establish a religion is unique to Christianity. There is no parallel for this idea in Islam.

People frequently suggest or otherwise imply, that we can compare Islam with Christianity the same way we can compare Lutheran to Catholic. Only those with a superficial understanding of Islam would make such an argument. Quite honestly, I won't even engage in that debate. It would be tantamount to arguing that flat tires on a car are better than inflated ones. It's a ludicrous argument.

To answer your question, if the candidate were truly a Muslim, the answer is "no". Like it or not, our Constitution was crated based on Christian values, therefore such a document would go against everything a Muslim believes in. How then could we expect that person to uphold said document?

This isn't about some "feel good, warm and fuzzy" diversity. No, it isn't that simple. The very existence of the United States as we know it is on the line.

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by nenothtu

 

First off what makes a Christian a Christian? That is like be being a Protestant Christian and then saying Catholics are not Christians. How can I actually prove they are not Christians? I can't Like no one can prove or not a God or Goddess exist. People have faith and are different which shouldn't make them less or more then a believer then you could be in life.

"Liberation Theology" isn't theology at all, it's marxist politics trying to hide behind a thin theological veneer. I've had to deal with some "liberation theologians", pretty rough dealings at that, and have formed my opinion of them by cold , hard experience.

Still, you should absolutely NOT take my word for it, you should research it yourself and form your opinions thereby. When you've done that, come back and we can debate it.

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
reply to post by saltheart foamfollower

 

Funny you mention choice....

Just curious, you for or against the woman's right to terminate a pregnancy?

True Christians would honor and respect their fellow human beings for whatever decisions they decide to do with their bodies. Besides, the judging of others is up to the Christian God, not his/her creations.

Can you give me some bible scripture that supports this claim? You clearly know, or imply to know what a "true Christian" is so I'm assuming you can quote scripture.

By your belief, I should "honor and respect" your right to drop acid and snort coke and shoot speed. Right? When the Ten Commandments say "Thou Shalt Not Kill", that includes killing ones self. If it includes killing ones self, why would it not also apply to a life living in the womb? Or, lets take it a step further; I am determined to be of sound mind and I give you permission to shoot me. After all, it's my body and I am of sound mind so it should be my choice, right? And you should be able to carry out my wish without consequence.

Christianity does NOT imply being a brain-dead, pacifist and being indifferent. No, that would make us atheists, since you wouldn't be able to distinguish between the two. It does preach forgiveness, hate the sin and love the sinner but nowhere does it teach us to "honor and respect"


Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.
1 Corinthians 3:16-17

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
I was baptized, confirmed and attended Catholic school most of my life.

I'm an Atheist.

Leave ignorance out of the forums, thanks.

Coming from a guy who is named 'Seventh Seal'? If you are such an atheist, why do you have a screen name that is derived from artifacts in which are relevant to a Christian book?

Are you not a sheep calling someone else a sheep?

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
reply to post by saltheart foamfollower

 

Funny you mention choice....

Just curious, you for or against the woman's right to terminate a pregnancy?

True Christians would honor and respect their fellow human beings for whatever decisions they decide to do with their bodies. Besides, the judging of others is up to the Christian God, not his/her creations.

Are you a Christian only when it is convenient, thus, you use 'selective scripture' when it serves your point a view? Are you a confused Christian?

Atheist or Christian? Pick one. You can't be both.

That would depend on what the candidate's views were on the issues. My personal preference would be for someone who had no religion at all, or only a very nominal one.