Ok, You Reached Heaven. Now what?

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Just thinking out loud... But if we indeed live through multiple progressive levels of consciousness and eventually obtain the ability to control and shape our own reality (heaven if you will) then in effect we would be "god", to use the vernacular, of our own realm. Is it not then also possible this is where we already are? The living (in our understanding) creations of a higher beings conscious thought. One that has already lived through many dimensions, learned all necessary and won the right to create a utopia for itself...

"I have dared to create the perfect machine"

...as I said, just thinking out loud

Originally posted by Lavender85
reply to post by yigsstarhouse

 

Just thinking out loud... But if we indeed live through multiple progressive levels of consciousness and eventually obtain the ability to control and shape our own reality (heaven if you will) then in effect we would be "god", to use the vernacular, of our own realm. Is it not then also possible this is where we already are? The living (in our understanding) creations of a higher beings conscious thought. One that has already lived through many dimensions, learned all necessary and won the right to create a utopia for itself...

"I have dared to create the perfect machine"

...as I said, just thinking out loud

YES! Yes, and absolutely YES...

There is no limit to the Will of Man. Our Problem is we keep clahing our Wills against each other, to dominate each other. It is because of the system we have allowed to be in place.

Why does a Ruler Rule?

Because teh people under him allow it. He is only one man! Or even if it 500 it is only 500.

The rest just willing hand over their will because they are not aware of the power they possess. The Ruler or Rulers, say jump, the collective does so. The Rulers say don't do this, the collective does it.

If we all woke up and said, nah, thanks Nero, we have had enough of your democracies, republics, socialists states, and just said, Hey we will do fine without yah! we could.

However, we must have something that will unite us or we create a power vacuum. Someone will fill that vacuum.

That common ground must be that we all agree never to unite to dominate another again.

We must have LOVE.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

We must accept each other. We must toss out our preconceived ideas of who is right and who is wrong. We must accept each other, love each other, support each other, and it must be done with peace.

With Love,

Your Brother

I AM a King, are you?

So funny, I got this picture of a spoiled little kid in my head.. Who as soon as he gets exactly what he wants. He drops that and it's on to the next thing with
hardly a breath in between.



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Originally posted by randyvs
So funny I got this picture of a spoiled little kid in my head.. Who as soon as he gets exactly what he wants. He drops that and it's on to the next thing with
hardly a breath in between.

[edit on 7-9-2010 by randyvs]

LOL I can definitely see that being an issue Brother.

In fact, when we get the ball rolling, there will be those who intentionally try to tear it down this way. This is where our love will be tested. Is Freedom worth the hardship such an idea would face?

I need to work on my reading retention. I was commenting on the spiritual heaven not an earthly one. Yeah I can read a title and formulate a post on the fly like nobody business.

Originally posted by kinglizard
I need to work on my reading retention. I was commenting on the spiritual heaven not an earthly one. Yeah I can read a title and formulate a post on the fly like nobody business.

Its all good Brother. We're kind of a mixed bag of heaven around here. Some on the spiritual side, others on the Earthly side. I guess this is where matter meets spirit in this thread.

Jump right in, the waters fine!

With Love,

Your Brother

First off I'd find my grandparents...Secondly my best friend ...Let me tell you as soon as I find her I won't be bored.She died when we were 29yrs old ...I am now 42yrs...I hope she'll want to hang with a old lady...

Anyways,I've dreamt of her...in my dream she tells me that you must work up there also...She also states to be good because the job you get there depends on how good you are here....

Debra Linn...I'm trying....Miss you girl...

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im really trying to imagine myself with no anxieties and no self doubt and no mental hang ups that i have here on this planet....without all the negative things that have followed me thru this life i would probably weep for a while just feeling the feeling of being free from all of that...then i would search out all the planets that had great surf....surf the waves of planets in different galaxies. i imagine that there is some really perfect waves out there just waiting...hang 10 bra

Ever see What Dreams May Come?
Thats how I envision the afterlife, you create your own heaven

I am in a bit of a confusion about several paradoxes that I find if I think about Heaven.

For example

2 Corinthians 5:7
We live by faith, not by sight.

So for a man to be good he must have faith and not rely on proof, however as soon as I go to heaven I will have absolute proof of Gods existence and thus have no need for faith and so I can't be good.

Proverbs 12:11
He who works his land will have abundant food, but he who chases fantasies lacks judgment.

So I'm getting from this that god doesn't want me running around trying to make myself happy, he wants me to role my sleeves up and get plowing but surely in Heaven food would be plentiful and I would have no need to work for it and thus I couldn't be good in the eyes of god.

Romans 5:3

Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance

So suffering is also good, but if all suffering is taken away from me in heaven then how can I persevere through it.

So basically what I am asking is why would a god that believes in man working hard, having faith, suffering to gain moral fiber etc etc make a place where all of these things are taken away and everyone can act in exactly the way he doesn't want you to act in the first place

If heaven is a reward for your deeds on earth why would god reward you with all of the things that he finds abhorrent, surely your reward would be even less proof requiring even more faith, more work and more suffering.


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when you get to heaven you see that god has don it all. so you just spend the rest of forever on your knees praying to god about how grate he is. thats it............................................................................

Why would anyone think that this so called "Heaven" is the final destination, that's typical linear thinking, and always just two choices, Heaven or Hell, good or bad, black or white.

We put so much emphasis on this life, which may be no more than a blink of the eye in existence.
We all may have been to Heaven (and Hell, although I think we're in it now) and have returned, only to progress up that ladder again (or down).
Round and round we go, well, it's good enough for the Planets, Galaxies, universe.

And what's the point of all that... simply to exist and experience, not to live up to some Higher being's expectations, that would be boring, for both "him" and us.
To be stuck in one place for eternity, is a ridiculous notion.
Heaven or Hell, you'll get sick of it, even if it takes a few Billion years....... unless of course, you've become a Zombie Spirit.

Either way, you'll become an expert on fire and brimstone, or an exquisite Harp player.

Hhhmmm...... I don't think so.

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My Brother,

Interesting observations.

If you will go through some of the previous posts, or find my sister thread called "Heaven", not everyone has that perspective.

What I see as Heaven is right here in from of our eyes. We fail to see our own potential to make it a much better place to exist. Getting to heaven is a job for all us to grow up and make happen.

Imagine what we could do with this planet and its resources if we all were working together in peace, instead of the constant war cycle.

I see Heaven.

We are in it.

I am looking for people whop want to make it happen.

With Love,

Your Brother

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David Grouchy

Originally posted by HomerinNC
Ever see What Dreams May Come?
Thats how I envision the afterlife, you create your own heaven

Yes, that's an excellent movie in that it does finally portray some reality of how it is after the death of the body.. okay, I know because I take the lost dead into the Light as part of what I do.

But I have to say, the movie shows that when we do not go into the LIght we become stuck either here close to earth as a ghost or in what is now called The Belief-System Territories in the astral.. which is what the movie illustrated.

That illustration was the falseness of our Beliefs creating un-reality until we wake up and see clearly enough to go into the Light.

I would go to a massive barren world far from here, create life, a lesser but still smart people, and give them the gift of life, and love, and/feelings,, and would give them a good happy loving life.

Originally posted by IAMIAM
Greetings my Brother,

I guess a journey of a thousand years would need to begin with one step then correct?

Would that first step not be daring to dream it possible? Why set so many limitations on us from the start, when with the right encouragement, faith, and hope, the dream can evolve to the second step.

The second step being formulating a plan to bring it to fruition. Again, not set limitations, but analyze what limitations are there and figure out ways to overcome them. There is no try, only do or do not, as wise Yoda would say.

Step three would be executing the plan. That would require an enormous collection of Wills to make it happen, but it can.

First, dare to dream it is possible, recognise the natural obstacles, formulate a plan to over come said obstacle, make it happen.

Granted, I am not speaking of the spiritual heaven, that takes self awakening of a deeper level. However, improving our physical world to a more heavenly existence, will certainly make the souls journey that much easier.

What do you think Brother?

With love,

Your Brother

Hi,

I agree. That is why many of us Seed Planters are busy these days.

We know the way forward or have been "shown it" and align ourselves with that vision in order to model the way for others, and to also plant the seeds that will grow to fruition over time.

So it seems we are on the same page my friend.

In every civilizations that have reached the level of the earthly heaven, their goal will be to explore the universe toward the farthest end. That's where the ultimate technology will need to be developed. Then you become Gods because at the same time the civilization will have reached the level of the capacity that can freely manipulate the DNAs.

How long will it take to master these technologies?

May be eternity.

If you take a look at the reports of the alien crafts being crashed more often than not, you can tell their technology is not perfect either.

What if you have reached all these levels?

The mode of the existence of such a life form will be more like etherial than physical. They say Acturians are the ones that have reached such a level of civilization.

Eat, drink, invent things, play videogames, hang out with friends, bask in the light.

Basically like being teenager, except for the awkwardness and the horrible pits of hell we call middle and high school.

I would make music, and explore a whole lot. Probably paint pictures in the sky, a put rainbows everywhere. I'd make planets and moons, oceans too, techicolored sands. No bugs though, except for like lady bugs and butterflies.