Manual on How to Molest Children Is Legal, Cops Say

Explanation: 2S&1F!

I for one am very glad that it hasn't been censored as censorship would [if I ever accessed it and thankfully I have resisted any and all urges to do so! But damn me for having those urges to slaughter those MONSTERS mercilessly as it makes me just the same MONSTER as them just from another angle. ] deny me the ability to KNOW THY ENEMY!

Personal Disclosure: There is an absolute morality... its enforced by me locally and if one is clearly a monster then I will monster them mercilessly but I don't go looking for trouble and to access that info for any reason is clearly asking for extreme trouble!

reply to post by ThichHeaded


I remember that can o' worms being opened back in the day when the "Anarchist's Cookbook" was published.

As to the OP; the only moderately useful instance I can see for such material is in research for story writers to construct believable "nightmare kidnapping scenarios" for their tv movie of the week scripts.

Overall though, I say go for it. The gov. (legally, or not) will have their fingers tracking distribution of such trash; so whoever messes with it is gonna have one hell of a rude wake up 'knock on the door' some morning down the road.

Originally posted by Misoir
I mean shouldn't our nations kids safety come before what the ACLU says?

At what cost though ? The loss of freedoms & liberties ?

“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as government is perceived as working for the benefit of children, the people happily will endure almost any curtailment of liberty.”
Adolf Hitler

What good is it protecting children so they can only end up with no freedom or liberty as an adult or even worse as slaves to a totalitarian regime ?

Originally posted by Discotech

Originally posted by Misoir
What good is it protecting children so they can only end up with no freedom or liberty as an adult or even worse as slaves to a totalitarian regime ?

What good is it not to protect children when they are brutally raped, probably filmed, and their body disposed of. What cost is it then? Is defending disgusting freedom worth the cost of innocent childrens lives?

I don't know about you but I would prefer my kids not be raped just so some freaks can read these books and others can declare regulating these books as totalitarian.

(I don't have any kids, just saying...)

[edit on 9/6/2010 by Misoir]

reply to post by silo13


Today being a holiday, the Detective can not be reached until Tuesday, lol.
It seems the one's answering the phones have little to no information on the manual, one lady didn't even know it existed, so I updated her on the it.

I can u2u you the number I was given to contact Det. Graves just in case you don't have it.
I will attempt to make more calls on it tomorrow as I am just as curious and have questions myself.

Thanks
sl

Originally posted by redmage

Overall though, I say go for it. The gov. (legally, or not) will have their fingers tracking distribution of such trash; so whoever messes with it is gonna have one hell of a rude wake up 'knock on the door' some morning down the road.

I was think the same thing , hopeful this document will flag potential child predators .

That is the double edge of the world wide web , it gives unparalleled access to literally, a world of information .... both enlightening and disgusting.

Surely the number of convictions of paedophiles involved in child porn has increased with the advent of the internet . And whilst it allows for the potential of abuse, it surely also increases the detection rates .



Its a subject that i do not have the stomach to research further, and like some other posters mentioned ..... i`m bloody terrified of stumbling into child porn sites .

reply to post by Misoir


I don't think anyone is making a case for not protecting children, the notion is in what kind of "protection" is needed. I certainly wouldn't buy such a book to give my child to read. Actually... stripping away a layer of media sensationalism for a moment, I think we can call it a "Kidnapping Manual" since I'm not about to believe that any molester needs a manual in how to molest; so maybe it wouldn't be half bad to give a kid. It would illustrate what settings and scenarios to avoid in regards to the possibility of being abducted.

Vans with no windows? Check!
Dark alleys? Check!
The list may go on and on...

I'm curious if UK police would pro-actively adjust the locations/directions of their CCTV cameras after receiving such info; likewise, if U.S. police would pro-actively adjust patrol routes. This book has the potential to really help investigators in such cases, and may actually save some children from such horrors. Honestly, the more I think about it, maybe this book isn't such a bad idea. Let's face it, kidnapping/molestation cases can make a detective's/D.A.'s career and can give victims a step towards closure. Now the cops and D.A.s are headed into the super bowl with the other team's playbook.

[edit on 9/6/10 by redmage]

I have no problem banning this. Clearly the message within the 'book' is not subjective.

Ban it!

IRM

reply to post by sweetliberty

Thanks tons SL - Just find out (please) how this is legal.
From there I'm sure you know what to ask, I've read your posts, you've got great insight.

Peace

reply to post by InfaRedMan

I understand what you're saying.
BAN IT!
I'd love to jump up and shout it from the rooftops.
But, in all honesty, as another poster pointed out, our freedom comes with a heavy cost.

Of course I want children to be safer.
But, not at the cost of ALL our FREEDOM, and believe me, that almost physically HURT to say.

Think about what the world will be for our children (collectively) if the people are SO government, SO CENSURED, there are no Freedoms left?

So, I put the responsibility back on the shoulders of the parents to be even more vigilant than before.

Educate your children, not only in how to prevent being abducted, abused and raped, but, how to STAY FREE.

NOT easy things for me to say, but, there it is.

peace

reply to post by Misoir

Do you seriously think banning this manual is going to stop pedophilia even though it's been going on since at least the Romans long before this manual came along ?

Banning the manual is not going to protect the children, the sick individuals involved in pedophilia have managed fine without this manual so how is banning it going to protect the children ? All it will do is set a precedent to ban any book in the future which the government deems as not safe for human consumption because we know how much the government like looking after us by telling us what is safe because apparantly we're all too inept to decide for ourselves.

I don't agree with the content of the manual but I do agree with freedom of speech and it's that what I am arguing for

Originally posted by silo13
So, I put the responsibility back on the shoulders of the parents to be even more vigilant than before.

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
Thomas Jefferson

Do we really need to further the nanny states we currently have telling us what is good or bad for us thus taking responsibility away from the individual. This is why society has gone down the #ter because of responsibilities being taken away from us because a higher power (government) deems us unfit to make our own decisions.

reply to post by Discotech

Exactly.
Thank you for saying so eloquently, what I tried to with the lame words I had at hand.

peace

Potentially, depending on the books content as to "Which child to choose", and "How to keep them from telling anyone" it could be a tool for aiding in awareness for potential "higher-risk" children. You can't protect kids 100% of the time so they need to know what to do, how to react in certain situations.

It's sad, but I think sacrificing 1% of a child's innocent nature to protect them from potentially losing 100% of it is a fair trade-off.



Regardless though, perhaps it's my belief that this government simply wants an in for eroding our rights, but it seems more likely this was written by a child psychologist than anything else.

ugh if it is suppressed only the molesters will have it. if it becomes common knowledge it becomes less effective and could be a preventative measure. simply: if you know how they do it you can counter it......

What sick world we have now.
A manual for would be and professional pedophiles.

BAN IT.

It encourages illegal sexual activities against the most vulnerable member's of society.

The fact that this is even up for debate is disturbing, in itself.

[edit on 6-9-2010 by Blue_Jay33]

reply to post by silo13


I also understand what you are saying silo. Believe me when I say I am anti censorship! I support freedom of press, freedom of expression, freedom of spirit and so forth. I also understand subjectivity. One mans treason is another mans revolution.

However, there are limits to freedom. Society needs them. For instance; majority of society understands it's legal to own a gun, but they also understand that it is illegal to take another humans life with one. We generally understand the concepts of limitation otherwise we would live in a world of sheer anarchy.

Without said limitation we would not be here today enjoying this civil discussion on this thing called the internet. We could not work together to achieve mutually beneficial outcomes. We would all be living the lives of barbarians. Sure I am stretching the concept somewhat but I think you understand where I am going with this.

I don't think we should confuse rational limitation with the erosion of liberty.

IRM

reply to post by InfaRedMan

I don't think we should confuse rational limitation with the erosion of liberty.

Agreed. But your and my definition of 'rational limitation' and 'thiers' (TPTB) isn't the same...

Like I started out saying, it's a juxtaposition I abhore.

peace

reply to post by Blue_Jay33

What sick world we have now.
A manual for would be and professional pedophiles.

BAN IT.

I'd love to. Bat I can't.

If we could let's move right on along to NAMBLA too.

Oh yeah, North American Man Boy (Girl) Love Association.

Doesn't it just turn you inside out knowing they're 'protected' by their rights too?

But, once again, the price of our Freedom comes at a high cost.

I wish we could burn them all.
The pedophiles, not the books.

peace

planing someones murder is illegal
planing to overthrow a goverment is illegal

how can planing to molest children not be illegal ?