Manual on How to Molest Children Is Legal, Cops Say

Originally posted by Mobius1974
reply to post by Edrick

 

look you 2.. Have I proposed a method for tracking down these "thinker?" I am simply telling readers what I think of them.. Now drop the arrogance and realize .. There is no way to enforce this..You 2 need to go invest your time somewhere else.

Should people who are turned on by kids be punished? Yes!!! Am I law enforcment? nope. Am I working on a bill to pass a law for "thought crimes" ?? Nope. So move on and take your opinion away from my posts.. I am expressing my opinion.. Thats all.

This is a debate forum, if you express your opinion we will comment on it, if you don't like that then please don't post your opinion. Drop the arrogance? You are the individual saying people who have bad thoughts in their heads need to kill themselves, you are the one who has (without evidence) said anyone with bad thoughts in their heads will act on those thoughts. The world is not black and white like that.

You know someone with OCD may have horribly violent thoughts that are considered invasive but because their minds are obsessive they can't let them go. This is actually pretty common with OCD, invasive thoughts the individual does not want and yet most of these people never act on those thoughts. Therefore your idea that paedophiles will offend is also flawed. Thoughts can be just thoughts.

Originally posted by Mobius1974
If I knew Corky was going to pick apart my post, I would have specified that I do not agree with 99.9999999999 percent of the idea of thought crimes..

But if a person is turned on by a child.. IMO

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


I would hate to see karma come back and bite you... But would revel in a karma situation here. Let that be my last word.

I was litteraly venting.. In my wildest imagination I did'nt think that someone would defend this.. but hey, I dont see a adult touching a child either.. Heck, there are all sorts I guess.

Wasn't this a forum and not congress? So we are making laws here now? really? Boy, do you have an inflated opinion of yourself.

reply to post by Mobius1974


As just a reader on your post, I think all agree any child molestation is a awful/terrible thing, offenders should be prosecuted to the fullest and most severe penalties applies.

Just there is a difference between a thought and a act.

reply to post by amc621


I was expressing my view.. It may not be yours.. Apparently we are here making laws.. Christ.. I truely hate this fricking place sometimes.

reply to post by amc621


I don't see how publishing a manual on how to commit a crime can be strictly defined as a '"thought." What if this was a manual on how to build suicide-bombs and infiltrate airports with them. Would banning that book be a 'thought crime.'

Or this: would signing a contract with a hit man without the actual deed going down be a 'thought crime?'

how about sending the president an email that says "i'm going to shoot you during your next visit to atlanta." would punishing that person be punishing a 'thought crime?'

reply to post by snusfanatic


Let me ask you something, do you beleive someone who writes a book about making a bomb is as bad as a person who makes a bomb and uses it?

reply to post by snusfanatic


Dont expect a rational thought on this..
Picture a man on a pedestal with his fists on his hips.. nose up telling you "right and wrong" That is the feeling you will walk away with. A person can no longer voice an opinion here without someone in this stance telling you how you are wrong.

I wish I had this idea!

Man I would be so rich now

All well, more power to the author. Let's just hope no one uses the book!

And while I disagree with how they are using their rights, I will/would fight to the death so they could use them.

(Appeal to authority/emotion/whatever to come!)

(No I don't care that the book may be used to harm kids. The benefit of not having "empathy" or "sympathy".)

My liberties are more valuable than any security. Period.

reply to post by amc621


absolutely not. but where's the threshold between thought and action? its not as clearly defined as we'd like it to be, but it has to be drawn somewhere. a person who trades in child pornography that they had no part in making isn't guilty of a 'thought crime' they're guilty of a real crime which depending on the circumstances might result in a punishment greater than someone who actually molested a child.

we can both agree that making the bomb is worse than writing a book about the bomb. but we should also agree that writing the book is worse than thinking about making the bomb.

Its just not as clearly defined as 'thought' and 'real' crimes.

reply to post by Mobius1974


Dont look at it as someone telling you your right or wrong, look at it as someone giving you a different perspective.

However you are wrong. Thought can not be a punishable thing......Actions are punishable.

Originally posted by Mobius1974
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

I would hate to see karma come back and bite you... But would revel in a karma situation here. Let that be my last word.

Of course karma is about someone doing something wrong and the universe coming back to punish them, therefore i have nothing to fear from karma as i haven't done anything bad.

Originally posted by Mobius1974
I was litteraly venting.. In my wildest imagination I did'nt think that someone would defend this.. but hey, I dont see a adult touching a child either.. Heck, there are all sorts I guess.

This is where you are confused. I haven't seen anyone defend the material, only the right of free speech that protects people to think what they like and create what they like, as long as what they do does not directly inflict harm. And no a manual like this doesn't inflict harm on anyone, a paedophile who is willing to act on his/her thoughts does not need a manual, they'll do it anyway.

Originally posted by Mobius1974
Wasn't this a forum and not congress? So we are making laws here now? really? Boy, do you have an inflated opinion of yourself.

edit on 8-10-2010 by Mobius1974 because: (no reason given)

You're really grasping at straws now aren't you. My point is that this is a debate forum, you have suggested people should be imprisoned for thinking something, or kill themselves. Others have tried to point out the law states such people are comitting no crime with simple thoughts and pointed out the dangers of what you proposed and the general ridiculous nature of such comments.

All i was saying is that someone who is incredibly emotional should probably avoid this issue because they won't be able to apply any kind of even handed logic. Of course you can continue with the ad homs and ridiculing in an attempt to avoid addressing the gaping holes in what you have said.

Twice you have said you are going to leave and yet here you are, i can't help but think you are now trolling.

Originally posted by Mobius1974
reply to post by snusfanatic

 

Dont expect a rational thought on this..
Picture a man on a pedestal with his fists on his hips.. nose up telling you "right and wrong" That is the feeling you will walk away with. A person can no longer voice an opinion here without someone in this stance telling you how you are wrong.

You seem to think this is a place where you just post things and everyone is just supposed to pat you on the back. You seem to have a real problem with criticism or discussion.

If you can't stand the heat...........

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


Ok then... I must have meant irony.. ie. A man is accused of having thoughts... he admits he thought about it. BUT.. can not be held.. he gets out.. He rapes a child- let that pain and injury be yours and yours alone!

I am extremely fired up right now.. It is a good thing that this is not a discussion where we are all in the same room.

"I do not care if it is used to hurt kids"... Oh, your so outrageous! Look how uncaring you can be.. lemme guess you have 2 copies.

Don't worry, you'll be in fine company here.

Our children should be put before everything else.

I have stated that I dont think the book should be banned. But I surely hope that no child is harmed by its existance. That is simply a pipe dream. Kids are victimized by these people all of the time. I think any method to reduce this would be an improvement.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


Jump on board with the guy that "doesn't care if any kids are hurt by this book" You seem to share a vast amount of common ground.

Originally posted by Mobius1974
"I do not care if it is used to hurt kids"... Oh, your so outrageous! Look how uncaring you can be.. lemme guess you have 2 copies.

What did I say about appeal to emotion? So predictable.

I will murder (kill, fight to the death) someone if they try to take my liberties away, just like you want to murder someone for making a book.

Silly, isn't it?

Clarification- Think 1776 American, I am not talking about running down the street killing.

reply to post by Mobius1974


Ok wait.. let me get this straight.. this is a place where I tell you what I think and you tell me where my thought process is flawed? Ok I have stated my opinion, you have stated the flaws in my thought process... So why exactly are you chasing this like a dog chasing its tail?

You are intentionally trying to get a response out of me.. Tell me you didn't look at that guys post that said "I dont care if kids are hurt by the book" Tell me you didnt get excited about my response... You'd be lying..

You are doing the same thing.. You have reason on your side.. I did not claim to be using reason...I have admitted that my view is emotional.. So why exactly are you still attacking this? Am I a source of entertainment for you? it is obvious that my opinion will not be changed by logic or reason.. So why exactly are you keeping at this?

reply to post by adigregorio


Do you really think our founding fathers meant to defend this book? If you do, you are dilusional.
2nd line!

reply to post by adigregorio


"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-Benjermin Franklin

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
-Samuel Adams

-Edrick (I can almost smell the books burning.)

Originally posted by Mobius1974
Ok then... I must have meant irony.. ie. A man is accused of having thoughts... he admits he thought about it. BUT.. can not be held.. he gets out.. He rapes a child- let that pain and injury be yours and yours alone!

I would love to know how that situation would ever arise. Basically, it won't but if it makes you happier trying to prove an argument by using insane and utterly unrealistic examples then you go right ahead. I won't feel guilty for what someone else does with their freedom, i would ask that they be kept in prison for the remainder of their existence if they commited a crime.

Originally posted by Mobius1974
I am extremely fired up right now.. It is a good thing that this is not a discussion where we are all in the same room.

Why is that? You would attack us for defending free speech? Yeah that's the sign of a mature and emotionally stable person.

Originally posted by Mobius1974
"I do not care if it is used to hurt kids"... Oh, your so outrageous! Look how uncaring you can be.. lemme guess you have 2 copies.

If a child is actually hurt then yes i do care, i feel bad for any abuse victim, but the only way this manual could hurt a child is if someone pokes them in the eye with it. Abusers will abuse, they don't need a manual, a manual cannot make you do anything. For example i have a manual on how to repair a 2 stroke engine, now i can use that manual to repair the engine but the manual doesn't make me do it. I have the manual because i wanted to repair the engine.

Originally posted by Mobius1974
Don't worry, you'll be in fine company here.

Our children should be put before everything else.

I have stated that I dont think the book should be banned. But I surely hope that no child is harmed by its existance. That is simply a pipe dream. Kids are victimized by these people all of the time. I think any method to reduce this would be an improvement.

Hey now hang on, all any of us have done is say the book should not be banned, you have just agreed with that, so why exactly are you getting fired up?

Originally posted by Mobius1974
Jump on board with the guy that "doesn't care if any kids are hurt by this book" You seem to share a vast amount of common ground.

I care quite a lot if children get hurt, actually i care when any innocent person gets hurt, however i do not believe this manual will cause anyone harm, it won't direct someone to do something they weren't going to do already. However you just said yourself that you don't think it should be banned so you're in the same boat as me now aren't you.

reply to post by Edrick


AMEN!

We may disagree on stupid things, but items of importance are important!

If people would practice what they preach ("Live and let live") then we would be in a perfect world fallacy!

(This reminds me of OJ's book "How I Would Have Done It." Which I called "How I Would Have Bought It.")

Remember, it is all about the $$