1880 very descriptive UFO sighting

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Mate, I'm honoured that you thought me worthy of the time it must have taken to compose that very thinly veiled attack but you missed one important post of mine in your rush..

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No, thats why I would consider it unidentified..

It's still a mystery and probably always will be because we can't add anything with any conviction..

It certainly could be what you have said, but it could easily be something completly different

I cleary state it could be what Chad has described but there is NOT enough evidence to end the debate....

BTW, thanks for the offer of assistance but I think I'll go solo or ask an expert for assistance..

cheers cynicalm

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Especially this page: www.knmi.nl... contains many reports including drawings of the phenomena. Very similar to the report in the opening article.

Originally posted by virraszto
How could this be debunked with such a descriptive report? It took place in May of 1880 when there were no airplanes, helicopters or any flying machines. This was taken from the book Anatomy of a Phenomenon by Jaques Vallee 1965. Curious to know what skeptics think of this sighting. What alternatives can you think of that might explain away this sighting?

Easy. As I tell everyone around here, you cannot rule out everything man made. Period. You want an alternative 'theory', which would blow to hell any alien visitation? We are responsible for 'all' UFO phenomenon. If you can disprove what I am about to say, I will also consider you as some sort of psychic.

(1) Does anyone know for a fact that mankind will or will not achieve time travel?

(2) Are UFOs man made spacecraft/time machines from the future in which are used to observe historical or significant people, technologies, or other events?

(3) Are Roswell grays the future of mankind? Did something go wrong in the future, and we had no choice but to go back in time to find an answer? Could those physical changes to man be a consequential result to time travel? Or, future geological changes?

(4) Can the use of spacecraft in the future be affecting our atmosphere in the past; thus, the bending of space and time for putting ships into orbit is affecting the here and now?

I had to cross over to your level of thinking, so that I can point out the flaw in your logic.

Can you answer those questions without a doubt? Can you disprove that those above are not happening?

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Many criminals are convicted or released because of "reasonable doubt"

There are few 100% certainties in life..

Your theory is as good as many.

However, I do wonder why they would travel back in time simply to "observe"..Say as in atomic tests as has been widely described..

How would that benefit them being that they would be greatly advanced and already know, through history, what had happened?

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Instead of just learning about history through a book (or information system), why would the future of mankind not want to jump back to see:

~ Birth of Christ?

~ How the Egyptian and Mayan Pyramids were built?

~ United States Revolution?

~ Man's first moon landing?

~ Right before the Universe was formed (through God or Big Bang)?

Being there at those exact moments is different from reading them. Imagine just showing up at a distance, and then watching these historical events unfold?

After all the things I mentioned in my previous post, can anyone disprove my theory about UFOs?

Click here for original post.

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Good point..

Or maybe they can't interact because they are more like holograms..

Ofcourse that would rule out abductions but we can't prove everything..

Originally posted by CynicalM
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Ofcourse that would rule out abductions but we can't prove everything..

Sure we could. What if we did something wrong to ourselves in the future, or maybe they are looking for a cure to an ancient disease? Mankind's past could be used to find cures for illnesses in which had gone extinct, but they are forced to confront them in the future? Or, evolution has altered our future selves in a certain manner, which certain immunities are no longer attainable?

As you can tell from my answers, it is not easy to remove man from the UFO equation.

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This is straying way off topic..

Maybe you should start a thread on the subject..

I'd be happy to continue the disscussion there..

Originally posted by CynicalM
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This is straying way off topic..

Actually, it is right on target::

Originally posted by virraszto
How could this be debunked with such a descriptive report? It took place in May of 1880 when there were no airplanes, helicopters or any flying machines. This was taken from the book Anatomy of a Phenomenon by Jaques Vallee 1965. Curious to know what skeptics think of this sighting. What alternatives can you think of that might explain away this sighting?

He asked for alternatives. I gave him a pretty good list. According to his theory, aliens are responsible for UFOs. As a result of him opening the floor for 'alternative theories', I was freely able to present something rather different.

My 'theory' is just a theory. Nothing more.

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It's good to see the accounts IN WRITING from over 100 years ago, before the era of manned flight.

However, what fascinates me even more are the cave paintings from stone age man, accounts in the bible and in VERY ancient texts right back to Sanskrit of "metal flying machines", and images in cut glass in medieval churches of flying disks, amongst many other references throughout history.

It's time that the human race acknowleged that we've been visited by races from other worlds for a VERY long time, and time for governments to stop this stupid cover up.

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Thank you for your post of the 1880 sighting. Someone who could write that well would be hard to find today in an era of video cameras and other portable recording devices.

I imagine a well educated indivdual would value his reputation as
a truthful responsible person in 1880 and for me it makes the printed story more likely a valid account of something witnessed.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e5f426548dba.jpg[/atsimg]

This image seems to fit in with these older UFO sightings.

I'm sure there's a story to go along with this image, but I don't know it.

thats all find and dandy to say this was a natural phenomena phosphorescent bacteria and such....but how do you explain this large wheel coming up out of the water and rising above the water level....sounds a little strange to me.....it would be great to have a drawing of this thing to see if it looks like our typical flying saucer description we have today....It is hard to imagine that we are the only living species among all of space....and it is just crazy how these skeptics actually think in some way that we are special...the thread I saw the other day that showed us a picture of earth from 114 million miles away just looked like an average star like the hundreds we see in the sky every night....some people need to get off their high horses and realize we are not alone....

So they were taking cows back then too. I wonder what they used them for other then food of course.

With all the sighting we have today its obvious that not all are real. BUT from a 100 plus years ago and further why would people lie about that stuff.

Thier was no fame or ways to profit from such things back then, well I guess you could but not like today.

People were more dependent on eachother back then so I dont think people would make up taboo like stories as much. In fear of being outcasted.

so, where are the pictures of these well documented glow in the dark wheels over the Indian Ocean?

Well documented ..... not one photograph


hmmmm

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Don't ask or you get abused..

Originally posted by PPGrocks
and it is just crazy how these skeptics actually think in some way that we are special...

Just wondering, which skeptics? Except for some religious people I never actually seen anyone make such a claim.

Originally posted by GeisterFahrer
so, where are the pictures of these well documented glow in the dark wheels over the Indian Ocean?

Well documented ..... not one photograph


hmmmm

It seems to me there is a lack of photos because the event is pretty rare. Why do you think there are no photos?

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First commandment of the debunkers bible...

1) No pic means it didn't happen....

Boy, would I like a dollar for everytime I've seen that phrase used on ATS.

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I think there are no photos because it is NOT a well documented rare event.

How many ships have travelled those waters - how many sailors have cameras? In the past ........ oh, I don't know ...... 50 years?

Not a single photograph ..... hmmmm.

That's like ..... bigfoot eh?

LOL

actually, I take that back - there are some photographs of bigfoot. Maybe fake, maybe .... not.

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