1880 very descriptive UFO sighting

Originally posted by GeisterFahrer
If the ripple effect is coming from an engine (as someone pointed out could have happened), there would not be two perfect circles on each side of the ship - the ripples would have created one large circle with the ship directly in the middle.

It is because there aren't actually perfect circles, but that is how the human eye perceives it based on the movement of the ship and the water.

The only person not making any sense here is you. I want to know what all those naysaying terrestrial explanations think it is. Provide a cogent argument, not a God-in-the-Gaps.

[edit on 6-9-2010 by DoomsdayRex]

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by CynicalM

 

I actually had to hit the Google and do a little research just to find out what "marine phosphorescent wheels" are. And, no, I could not find a single image of one anywhere. I did look.

So personally I am leaning toward being skeptical of that explanation as well. All the evidence for it that I could find was anecdotal.

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by GeisterFahrer
If the ripple effect is coming from an engine (as someone pointed out could have happened), there would not be two perfect circles on each side of the ship - the ripples would have created one large circle with the ship directly in the middle.

It is because there aren't actually perfect circles, but that is how the human eye perceives it based on the movement of the ship and the water.

The only person not making any sense here is you. I want to know what all those naysaying terrestrial explanations think it is. Provide a cogent argument, not a God-in-the-Gaps.

[edit on 6-9-2010 by DoomsdayRex]

Where have I given a "God in the gaps" argument?

Oh ... that's right, I haven't.

What I did say was that there would not be TWO circles on EACH side of the ship.

There would be ONE circle with the ship being in the CENTER. If, it was a fact that the engine was causing the rippling effect whioch were causing the spoke effect.


If.....

Again, I will ask you, have you ever dropped something in water? If so, were there TWO perfect circles on each side of the impact? Or was there ONE circle of ripples expanding out from the point of impact?

A friggin 5gth grader can answer this one so its not a complicated question. If you can't understand the qwuestion, you have reading comprehension problems.

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at the following link, there is a photograph of a bioluminescent underwater creature that looks like a wheel:

www.flmnh.ufl.edu...


However, I am assuming it is not large enough to span 500-600 yards.

reply to post by GeisterFahrer


As far as I have read we do not know how, or even if, these algae react to these vibrations. On the previous page I showed how all kind of shapes form at different frequencies. An example with liquid can be found here: www.youtube.com... Not sure if something similar would happen on larger scale though.

But another theory is that it is caused by the wake and yet another theory says it could be caused by electromagnetic energy.

Originally posted by GeisterFahrer

Again, I will ask you, have you ever dropped something in water? If so, were there TWO perfect circles on each side of the impact? Or was there ONE circle of ripples expanding out from the point of impact?

A friggin 5gth grader can answer this one so its not a complicated question. If you can't understand the qwuestion, you have reading comprehension problems.

A ship sailing through the water does not effect the water in the same way as a stone dropping into the water. Ships produce wakes and wakes can create eddies.

reply to post by Hefficide


Yes, I am familiar with eddies. I grew up in Florida and literally grew up on ships.

However, something that has to be asked is this:

Wouldn't the Captain of the Panta also be familiar with eddies?

I am not saying that eddies cannot form a perfect circle, I have never seen it happen though. I would think they could swirl into a circular pattern, but not right next to the ship.

And no eddy I have ever seen has had spokes.

I was not referring to eddies, I was referring to the engine onboard the ship causing a rippling effect. If that were the case, the ship would be in the center of ONE wheel, not two.

If eddies caused a circular rippling effect - the circles would be trailing the ship and not be right next to it.

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Originally posted by GeisterFahrer
Where have I given a "God in the gaps" argument?

Oh ... that's right, I haven't.

Remember the earlier conversation about sincerity? The game you are playing is an easy one to recognize. If you are not going to be sincere then there is no point in having a discussion.

Originally posted by GeisterFahrer
A friggin 5gth grader can answer this one so its not a complicated question. If you can't understand the qwuestion, you have reading comprehension problems.

A fifth grader would also know that a ship moving through the water does not affect the water the same way a pebble dropped into it does.

Originally posted by GeisterFahrer
reply to post by yeti101

 

what evidence do you have that it even exists?

A photo perhaps?

What an interesting argument you are making here.

You are arguing that the Wheels of Poseidon cannot exist as a natural phenomenon because there are no photographs. But despite the fact there are no photographs, you are trying to argue the sightings of these luminous circles are an unnatural phenomenon. That is quite the contradiction.

Originally posted by GeisterFahrer
Wouldn't the Captain of the Panta also be familiar with eddies?

Under the right conditions, say night, what is familiar can appear to be very unfamiliar.

Originally posted by GeisterFahrer
I am not saying that eddies cannot form a perfect circle, I have never seen it happen though. I would think they could swirl into a circular pattern, but not right next to the ship.

Nowhere in the article about the Panta does it say the circles were perfect. But of course, we are not having a sincere discussion, so what do the facts matter?

reply to post by DoomsdayRex


You know, I could go through this whole forum and see countless threads where people have reported strange things they insist were UFOs.
Some have been multiple witnesses to the same event and many have seemed very credible. Police, pilots, military the list is endless..

They were all debunked....

Why??? They didn't have pictures or some did but they were too fuzzy or distant or had no background to check scale etc..The list of reasons to debunk are also endless..

But here were are being asked to "believe" 100% that a rarely seen phenomenon (I think Chad found about 8 sightings) wth varying descriptions and a few scetchy drawings and zero pictures.
A phenomenon that has not been fully explained by scientists in over 100 years is the "only" explanation that fits this sighting.

I haven't even said it was a UFO or USO or anything else for that matter.
Why? Because I don't believe anyone has come up with a logical explanation that fits all the details of the event that we have...

For that I and others are being flamed by ignorant members so set in their views that I wonder why they even bother posting..
Their views could be easily "bullet pointed" and placed at the top of the forum...

BTW, the first bullet point would surely be,
"NO PIC AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN"

reply to post by CynicalM


That post was nothing but a long-winded straw-man argument, with a perfect solution fallacy thrown in for good measure along with continued insincerity. You are refusing to even acknowledge evidence not due to the evidence but because what you feel, wrongly, is bad behavior by skeptics, events which exist only in your prejudices.

reply to post by DoomsdayRex


I made a statement regarding this thread..

If you care to debate any of the points I have made then please go ahead.

Show me your beliefs, logic and proof..

I have no problem debating facts but will not respond to unsubstantiated attacks, so please understand I am not being ignorant if I don't respond to certain posts from here on..

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reply to post by DoomsdayRex


actually, you are making the argument, not me.

I find it a contradiction in terms to state that this is a well documented occurrence yet there are no photographs.

To me, well documented means there would be some tangible evidence.

Originally posted by CynicalM
If you care to debate any of the points I have made then please go ahead.

I would love to, if you had points. What you instead have are logical fallacies. One cannot debate them, only point them out.

Originally posted by CynicalM
Show me your beliefs, logic and proof...

We have shown you these, you have chosen to ignore them in favor of a veiled God-in-the-Gaps argument that neither you nor GeisterFahrer have the sincerity to admit to.

Originally posted by CynicalM
I have no problem debating facts but will not respond to unsubstantiated attacks, so please understand I am not being ignorant if I don't respond to certain posts from here on...

You have no been responding to points, simply ignoring them, so why should anyone expect you to start now?

No one is attacking you, I am asking you to be sincere.

Originally posted by GeisterFahrer
I find it a contradiction in terms to state that this is a well documented occurrence yet there are no photographs.

I do not believe anyone here stated it is a well-documented phenomenon. Just that it is a known phenomenon, though rare and little studied, with a terrestrial explanation.

Originally posted by GeisterFahrer
To me, well documented means there would be some tangible evidence.

It seems you and CynicalM both want to have it both ways. Being there are no photographs or tangible evidence, the Wheels of Poseidon does not exist as a natural phenomenon; however, despite this same lack of evidence, you believe it to have an unnatural origin, a veiled God-in-the-Gaps argument. Of course, being that both you and CynicalM are intellectually dishonest and insincere, neither of you will admit to this.

I believe the thread, God(Alien) of the Gaps provides very valuable insight into the behavior of certain members participating in this thread.

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reply to post by DoomsdayRex

I would love to, if you had points. What you instead have are logical fallacies. One cannot debate them, only point them out.

Please point out my "logical fallacies"..
I will attempt to explain my reasons for such and will research examples for you if possible..

Originally posted by CynicalM
Please point out my "logical fallacies"..
I will attempt to explain my reasons for such and will research examples for you if possible..

Already pointed them out. Re-read earlier posts.

reply to post by DoomsdayRex

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Mate nice work..
I did say yours was a credible explanation but I still think it will remain a mystery...

I do hope that one day they get a pic of what you describe..
It would look awesome..
Actually a vid would be better...

So, my above post and MANY others like it in this thread shows you that I am closed minded to a natural explanation??

I'm baffled mate...
I just don't see where anyone has shown enough evidence to close the book on this event...
I trully don't understand your reasoning..

reply to post by DoomsdayRex


You are making an argument where there is none. Are you deliberately claiming that me, or anyone else, for that matter, is claiming this is a bona fide UFO?

As in - a spacecraft from a different world?

I have made no such statement.

However, if you will re-read posts, you will find that a specific person has claimed this to be a well documented yet rare occurrence.

I am going to go out on a limb here (sarcastic) and say that it is NOT well documented.

There are UFO sightings that are much more "well documented" than this rare occurrence.

There are even photographs .... imagine that.


Are you going on "faith" that these poiseidon wheel's are a naturally occurring phenomenon? Where is your proof they even exist?

Your argument is more of a God-In-The-Gaps argument than anyone else's - you are relying on 2nd hand information and absolutely NO PROOF!!

Now that is faith right there

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