Satan and Science, His Creation to Mislead

Hate to say it, but the biggest problem isn't the obvious religious ranters; it's their enablers. It's the dominant culture's chickens*^! blatant denial of objectivity, the subjectivist "truth" and "whatever gets you through the day" ignorance-denial of the "holy" rollers' political influence. They breed, y'know.

I find it quite amusing that he's trying to tell us that science is bad, by posting on the internet, with his computer. That's like an idiot telling you to eat healthy, while they're eating a bigmac.

I guess religious folks don't even practice what they, ummmmm, preach.

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I highly agree with one aspect of this post, yet I find the religious terms used make it look absurd to me. I do believe the advancement of society and science is a path of destruction for the most part and I very much believe in keeping things simple and living in the natural environment which we have been put in. Disregarding the religious terms, I like this post.

Originally posted by TravisT
I find it quite amusing that he's trying to tell us that science is bad, by posting on the internet, with his computer. That's like an idiot telling you to eat healthy, while they're eating a bigmac.

I guess religious folks don't even practice what they, ummmmm, preach.

I didn't create this thread from some holier than thou place. I live in this world and have been shaped by this point in human history. It is quite possible that I rely far more on technology than you. My life has already been saved twice by science. My house is loaded with electronics...tv in every room, computer in every room...ipods...cell phones...dvd in every room...cordless phones...modern cars with global positioning...clocks and watches that receive precise time from atomic clocks...the list is endless.

The premise for this thread was a passing thought one day...I quickly fleshed it out a bit and posted it. I do think there is a seed of truth in it though.

No matter what you think conversation is GOOD, if it can be done with understanding and without malice.


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OP, I'm sure it's not science you need to worry about.
I would be more afraid of your beliefs and superstition. Next you might want to say education is evil too.

If you are really a holy bloke, Just whip out a hail marry for each of your belongings you spoke of, then sell everything and be like Jesus. I'm sure Satin would know you mean business with your lack of stuff and all.

Otherwise, sounds like you are committing the sin of greed, so satin might be all up in ya already

Thanks for this great post. Posts like this are why I come here. I never know if the OP's are for real, but I have fun acting as if they are.

Originally posted by kinglizard

No matter what you think conversation is GOOD, if it can be done with understanding and without malice.

Yeah, but it should also be done without complete hypocrisy, and if there is some hypocrisy, than it shouldn't be so forward with a point, because it makes you look like that, a hypocrite.

Again, going back to my silly analogy: Why would I sit there and take health advice from someone who is eating a bigmac? It makes no sense.mWhy should I listen to such a hypocrite? Well, I wont.....



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So now sinners can't talk about sin. Thanks for the open minded kindness. Feel better?

No one is forcing you to read or take part in this conversation. I recommend you only talk about what you agree with so go find someone or some thread that 100% agrees with your view of the world and then you and that person can pat each other on the back and stay in the narrow minded hole in which you reside.

Don;t like me or my talking points move on....

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Originally posted by kinglizard
So now sinners can't talk about sin. Thanks for the open minded kindness. Feel better?

Should a sinner who is CONSTANTLY, and continuing to sin? No. Should a past sinner, who isn't sinning be able to preach? Sure. If an alcoholic is telling people not to drink, while staying sober, isn't a bad thing. But an alcoholic who continues to drink, and tells you not to drink, is just a hypocritical idiot.

Why don't you just heed your own advice, then? What's the point of this thread, if you use science on a daily basis? There's no validity to any of this, other than saying your religious. No offense, but I don't care what you are, and on top of it, you're a hypocrite.

Oh well.....



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Originally posted by kinglizard


Don;t like me or my talking points move on....

If you don't like science, then don't use it, and move on.

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Maybe this is the difference between the spiritual and nonspiritual. The spiritual Christian constantly questions their actions and choices in life. We analyze everything we do or say and attempt to correct it according to our spiritual beliefs. It not to say we are always right but we are mindful. We care is our actions align with the direction of our chosen savior.

It's easy to not care but try caring...not an easy way of life. You call me a hypocrite, I call me a thoughtful Christian trying to square my actions with my beliefs while displaying to the world my failures.

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Originally posted by kinglizard
You call me a hypocrite, I call me a thoughtful Christian trying to square my actions with my beliefs while displaying to the world my failures.

But there is no point in displaying any failures, if you continue to use the very thing you're preaching against. It's a wast of breath. If you use science, yet, preach about it, what's the point in the preach? There is none.

I'm not trying to preach, I had a thought one day, quickly fleshed it out and posted it to the board for conversation. My opening post may be a bit to "a matter of fact" but I was trying to encourage dialog.

Edit: It's probably not your fault you see me as a preachy hypocrite. My opening post probably should have gone something like this:

1) Does Science and technology serve God or the evil one?

2) Does a more technological society tend to abandon God?

...etc

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Originally posted by kinglizard


1) Does Science and technology serve God or the evil one?

2) Does a more technological society tend to abandon God?

...etc

See, those are better bullet points. Next time, you may want to flesh out your ideas a bit better, before you make a thread. Those make more sense.

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Ah.... I understand now. Forgive me for unable to understand before, because I do not share the belief of original sin. For me original sin does not exist. I agree with some part of your model but I fear that I might derail the thread as I view original sin and Eden myth from different perspective. Perhaps we could work out some conspiracy theory in a new thread? By the way it always amazed me how the concept of original sin is been invented without proper regard to Adam and Eve narrative. No one should bear the sin that they have never done. Babies are not born with sin. It's irrational and outrageously stupid.

Hopefully we can discuss it further in new thread.

Thanks again for sharing your view.

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Science is absolutely OF God because God is the Creator of science. God created science because He created all the scientific laws of the reality in which we live. So is science itself evil? No.

Are people today further from God? Yes. But it's not all due to science - it's a sign of the times in which we live. Are there those who use science to further their own evil agendas? Yes. Has Satan as well as mankind used it for his and their own purposes? Yes. But that does not make science evil.

There is evil intent though. When the intent is to make oneself powerful or "godlike". To shun our Creator and take credit for knowledge obtained and scientific discoveries made and give glory not to the One who Created all things, but instead oneself. To leave God out of the equation that without God would not be possible. To use science in an attempt to defeat God - out of disobedience and hatred.

To have a scientific mind and to be interested in science and seek to learn more... this is not evil any more than science is evil. But one must also acknowledge and give glory to God for the mysteries that are revealed through observation and study of our physical reality.

Learning more about God's scientific laws brings us closer to knowing our Creator... and to give all thanks and glory to God for what is shared and learned... this is good and not evil. This is knowledge which leads to understanding and wisdom - which is from the One who created all things.

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I agree so much with what you say, and the picture of the starving child says it all. That is the price others pay for the greed which is prevalent in the West.

Glib answers come tumbling across the thread, from the very same people who barely give a thought to the two thirds of humanity who live in the most dire circumstances in order that Western insatiable greed be constantly assuaged, many of whom wouldn't even be prepared to give up their TV to alleviate the starvation of so many.

I don't believe science is the creation of Satan, however. I believe science is morally/karmically neutral in itself. But science without ethics is easily used for evil and not for the tremendous good it could do.

And I believe society is as resonsible for letting this happen as are the perpetrators themselves. And I include all so-called religions in this too.

Only an embracing of universal ethical values can change our world and resolve our problems and create the future the majority of us so desire.

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I don't personally see any preaching here, nor do I see hypocrisy. What I see is someone honestly questioning himself first of all, and then extrapolating that and asking questions about society.

These are important questions which need to be asked, especially given what we know of the world and the inequalities and exploitation which is taking place. How can that be justified in the name of commercial greed or science or peace?

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Lizard I understand what your trying to do but most of ATS thinks that the Big Bang created everything even tho it hasn't been proven either . I respect you nonetheless.

Originally posted by wcitizen
I agree so much with what you say, and the picture of the starving child says it all. That is the price others pay for the greed which is prevalent in the West.

Glib answers come tumbling across the thread, from the very same people who barely give a thought to the two thirds of humanity who live in the most dire circumstances in order that Western insatiable greed be constantly assuaged, many of whom wouldn't even be prepared to give up their TV to alleviate the starvation of so many.

I don't believe science is the creation of Satan, however. I believe science is morally/karmically neutral in itself. But science without ethics is easily used for evil and not for the tremendous good it could do.

And I believe society is as resonsible for letting this happen as are the perpetrators themselves. And I include all so-called religions in this too.

Only an embracing of universal ethical values can change our world and resolve our problems and create the future the majority of us so desire.

I don't see how you are going to blame the US for the straving childern in Africa. Yes the US is to blame but so is the rest of the world. I don't see Chine or Russia or the UK sending massive amounts of foods to Africa so get off the whole west this west that crap

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This thread is now up 10 pages and you are still sticking to your gun. When will you finally own up and admit that you made the op without enough critical thought? Should swallowing ones pride not be part of your faith?

By now, you should be convinced from the replies to the contrary that science has no mind of its own, it is simply directed by man. You are further compounding the issue by tying yourself in knots. You just stated that there are spiritual and non-spiritual christians. This is in addition to the gazillion of sects within the christian fold.