Extraterrestrial UFO Are Real : Ben Rich Lockheed CEO Admitted In His Deathbed Confession

Originally posted by Turiddu
4+ pages of this topic and we still have no real proof that Ben Rich ever say any of these things, aside of course from an unsubstantiated reference in MUFON's pay-to-subscribe journal?

There are 3 different links to Rich's correspondence with John Andrews. Andrews was the real deal in his field too. It's a fascinating story. Of course, not all of it is in the MUFON journal.

When I do web searches for this topic I only find links back to ATS and some fringe UFO sites. If Ben Rich made these quotes why weren't they carried by publications such as Aviation Week & Space Technology?

Interesting stuff from the Ben Rich Wikipedia article

en.wikipedia.org...:Ben_Rich

There is a quote of Ben Rich making its rounds on the internet. Apperantly in a lecture shortly before he died he revealed that - quote:

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.... Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

Does anyone know if this quote is confirmed by reliable sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.227.153.175 (talk) 02:28, May 4, 2006 (UTC)

That quote is now in the article without a source. Should it be removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.243.34.6 (talk) 01:44, March 10, 2007 (UTC)

Removed dubious quote again for lack of citation. The quote appears on fringe sites throughout the internet with no citation (or in some cases citing to this article at Wikipedia). It is very poorly sourced, dubiously credits UFOs, and meets neither the attribution standards for quotations nor for biographical facts.NavinWP 16:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I just removed it again. I will continue to remove it until a reputable source appears. My suspicion is that it's an urban legend.WolfKeeper 21:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems the quote was removed because no evidence was ever found for it.

I find no reason to believe he ever made any of these statements. Things about Ben Rich, Kelly Johnson, Skunkworks and "Black Projects" are eagerly followed by a group of aviation enthusiasts and analysts, I would find it extremely hard to believe they wouldn't have picked up this quote and ran with it if he had actually made it.

From Phil Patton's "Dreamland"

pg. 162

As Andrew's interest in flying saucers grew, his letters to Ben Rich and others are the Skunk Works irritated them even more. Then Rich finally sent Andrews and Goodall that letter in which he admitted, "Yes, I believe in UFOs, and so did Kelly Johnson.
"Yes", Rich continued, "I call them UnFunded Opportunities" - in other words, Lockheed ideas the damn fool Air Force wouldn't pay for. It was a joke, and not a kind one.

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Originally posted by Turiddu
From Phil Patton's "Dreamland"

pg. 162

As Andrew's interest in flying saucers grew, his letters to Ben Rich and others are the Skunk Works irritated them even more. Then Rich finally sent Andrews and Goodall that letter in which he admitted, "Yes, I believe in UFOs, and so did Kelly Johnson.
"Yes", Rich continued, "I call them UnFunded Opportunities - in other words, Lockheed ideas the damn fool Air Force wouldn't pay for. It was a joke, and not a kind one.

Rich died more than four years before this book was published.

Rich died more than four years before this book was published.

Uh, OK... ?

Mr. Patton was relating the story as part of a chapter describing the history of Area 51 in regards to Ufology and alleged "conspiracies".

Phil Patton has clearly done a large amount of research in this field, I'm going to email him and send him a link to this topic. Maybe he can give us some insight.


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Originally posted by Turiddu

Rich died more than four years before this book was published.

Uh, OK... ?

Mr. Patton was relating the story as part of a chapter describing the history of Area 51 in regards to Ufology and alleged "conspiracies".

Phil Patton has done a large amount of research in this field, I'm going to email him and send him a link to this topic.

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So it's not a first hand quote. Unless you believe the letters between Andrews and Rich are forged, they are quite different than what is recounted second hand in Patton's book and what Patton writes is inaccurate.

reply to post by UFO Partisan


In what way was it inaccurate? The quotation from the book includes the same statement from the scanned correspondence.

Originally posted by Turiddu
reply to post by UFO Partisan

 

In what way was it inaccurate? The quotation from the book includes the same statement from the scanned correspondence.

Because in the letter, Rich quite clearly states he thinks there has been ET visitation via ET UFOs.

"Yes, I'm a believer in both categories feel everything is possible."

That's pretty unambiguous, whereas what you quote from Patton says Andrews was an irritant and implies the Unfunded Opportunities comment was a joke directed at Andrews.

Here's a bit more on Andrews and his involvement in the Stealth Fighter hubbub during the 80s from the LA Times.

articles.latimes.com...

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Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
People panic from fear.

War of the Worlds, Orson Wells, And The Invasion from Mars

The ability to confuse audiences en masse may have first become obvious as a result of one of the most infamous mistakes in history. It happened the day before Halloween, on Oct. 30, 1938, when millions of Americans tuned in to a popular radio program that featured plays directed by, and often starring, Orson Welles. The performance that evening was an adaptation of the science fiction novel The War of the Worlds, about a Martian invasion of the earth. But in adapting the book for a radio play, Welles made an important change: under his direction the play was written and performed so it would sound like a news broadcast about an invasion from Mars, a technique that, presumably, was intended to heighten the dramatic effect.

www.transparencynow.com...


Why would an 'insider' wait til his 'deathbed' to tell us? Well they can't shoot ya, arrest ya, or destroy ya when your already dying and as far as I know that oath of silence works 'till death do us part"




The Brookings Institute Report
NASA commissions study on the impact of ET

On December 14, 1960, The Brookings Research Institute in Washington released a report prepared during 1960 for NASA entitled "Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairs", including a section entitled "Implications of a Discovery of Extraterrestrial Life". (Commonly referred to as "the Brookings Institute report".) The report discusses effects of meeting extraterrestrial life: "It is possible that if the intelligence of these creatures were sufficiently superior to ours, they would choose to have little if any contact with us. . . " (New York Times, Dec. 15, 1960) The original site for the 219-page report and the 50-page summary is listed below. For security reasons, if the site would go down, the NICAP site also hosts the full documents, also listed below.

Brookings Report

reply to post by Phage

Just wondering if you considered the possibility he may have used the same phrase in more than one place?

Might that explain why its quoted from different speeches?

reply to post by zorgon

It's not a phrase. It's a fully constructed sentence.

If all of the purported venues were a lecture like setting a scripted statement would make sense. Only one of them claims it was a lecture. A more likely explanation is that the tale has grown (or has been fabricated) in the telling. Not an altogether unheard of occurrence in the UFO field. As Rich himself allegedly said, "there are a lot of kooks and charlatans".

Originally posted by franspeakfree
Its all about the money people, that's what its always all about.

You know... I get so sick and tired of hearing this BS "its all about the money" In any other field NO ONE bitches about an author telling his life story in print and selling that book..

But for some reason when someone in the 'UFO' field does so, all of a sudden its a crime... Get over yourselves... I bet not one of you who cry foul at selling a book even have any idea how hard it is to even make any real money on a book after publishing costs.

Phil Plait Bad Astronomer makes money on tours and books cry FOUL about him? James Oberg another famous debunker, also sells BOOKS and gets paid to tell his side on NBC, and gets paid well. Cry foul about him...

Stop this nonsense... all your doing is showing how biased you are...

MUFON is one of he most respected investigator groups around $45.00 for a 12 volume set of journals doesn't sound to bad to me... to help support their cause.

People like you constantly demand proof, want the insiders to tell us all, but the minute you have to spend a buck, you cry foul.

Did you know that you have to pay money to get any decent scientific journal? Those are where the real info is found.. are those money making scams as well?

Hypocrite is a word that comes to mind...

Originally posted by cbaskins
I am not trying to bust anyones bubble, but I am very tech savy and I can tell you indefinately that we cannot reach other stars gauranteed unless time travelers have came back from the the future to share information.

Well you can tell me that as much as you like... doesn't make it so... nor does it prove you have high enough clearance to even BE 'in the know'

Now on the other hand I can tell YOU that I know it for a fact and was even entrusted with a copy of drawings for such a working star drive..

But see? that too is hearsay...

The difference is... it satisfies me...

See how it works?

Now speaking of Lockheed Martin

Boyd Bushman

Boyd Bushman on Anti Gravity



Boyd Bushman Part 1-3







Can We Alter Gravity?



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Here's another link of quotes about UFOs and alien technology from Ben Rich and Don Phillips, another Lockheed engineer. I have also heard the latter say these same things a number of times.

I believe they were telling the truth. I can see no reason not to believe what they said--that the ETs are here and we know about some of their technology. No one else would be better qualified to deal with it than these Skunkworks engineers and scientists, if anyone on earth could.


This has all been discussed before many times over the years. Their admissions are not new, and are very well known.


thetruthbehindthescenes.wordpress.com...[/url]

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Originally posted by Turiddu
It seems the quote was removed because no evidence was ever found for it.

You use a deletion on wikipedia as your support documentation?



There was a page on John Lear on Wiki...

Delete. Short of being the son of someone famous and being a complete nut, I don't see anything notable about him. The sources given on the page are not what I would consider reliable, and I am unable to find reliable ones in my own search. For anyone checking out the sources, please note that the "Project Camelot" reference is not to the Project Camelot, just to a website a couple of people started. Someguy1221 06:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia

Edited by Someguy...

Another reason sited for deletion...

10:50, 15 July 2010 Davewild (talk | contribs) deleted "John Lear" ‎ (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of www.thelivingmoon.com...)

That one really cracked me up

Wikipedia can be edited by any schmoe with an agenda... Had that happen when I used a quote in the stargate thread... days after I used it it was deleted. fortunately it was still there on the original source



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Originally posted by zorgon
You know... I get so sick and tired of hearing this BS "its all about the money" In any other field NO ONE bitches about an author telling his life story in print and selling that book..

Not entirely true there Zorg, look at Tony Blair at the moment

Phil Plait Bad Astronomer makes money on tours and books cry FOUL about him? James Oberg another famous debunker, also sells BOOKS and gets paid to tell his side on NBC, and gets paid well. Cry foul about him...

I do have you not read my posts with exuberant1 and easynow?

Stop this nonsense... all your doing is showing how biased you are...

No I am not, I am being factual, people sell books to make money. People dredge up stories all the time and pass them off as 'updated edition' whenever a certain topic is focused in the MSM

MUFON is one of the most respected investigator groups around $45.00 for a 12 volume set of journals doesn't sound to bad to me... to help support their cause.

What can I say since 9/11 my whole outlook has changed I have trouble trusting any organisation that grows and makes money from the public. Almost always there is an agenda.

People like you constantly demand proof, want the insiders to tell us all, but the minute you have to spend a buck, you cry foul.

Erm... have you looked at my posts, I am one of the most open minded people on this site. I don't need proof that UFOS exist I have jolly well seen one up close with my very eyes, Zorg.

Did you know that you have to pay money to get any decent scientific journal? Those are where the real info is found.. are those money making scams as well?

Agreed.

Hypocrite is a word that comes to mind...

Its quite obvious that your opinions about me have come solely from this thread. Since my experiences, Ufology became my life as it did yours I have read every one of your posts from start to finish so please read my threads before making off the cuff comments based on this thread. You may well be friends with people in the know but that doesn't mean that these friends of yours know everything thats going on in their department/agency. As my thread below clearly states.

Do you know what I did yesterday?

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Hi Zorgon thanks for those clips. I forgot about the hutchingson effect, I could have used that when arguing with old dragger when he said anti gravity is science fiction. Good to see you here again.

I take the Ben Rich statement with a grain of salt. I have heard this rumor used so many times in Camelot interviews from whistle blowers as if they were there. I even heard Stephen Greer in Barcelona last year tell the audience he was at some banquet the Clintons were at with Greer and Ben Rich made this announcement

Then i hear the death bed version, this is a new one.

Phage pretty much made case in point with the rumor mill on page one. Seems it is one of those "a little bird told me" type of rumors. Or urban myth like the guy with a hook hand and every time you hear someone tell the story it has a new twist sometimes they claim i was there dude



However i do believe Lockheed has the TR3B and other exotic alien back engineered technology. Nor do i doubt Rich said this it is just unclear if he said this in the way it has been presented. Someone said the money is going to black projects and NASA has not advanced much with things like the 30 yo shuttle and I agree with that. I believe there is a secret space program that is militarized and contractors like Lockheed Martin are manufacturing all those cool toys.

As long as certain UFO agencies and people like Greer present this story it has no credence in that respect.

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I've always been curious about the quote...

So, I've ordered his memoir to see if there is anything in there to support the idea. It's less than a buck for a good, used copy, on Amazon... Will let you know what I find, once I get it, and get a chance to read it...