Heaven

reply to post by IAMIAM


Heaven for me is a state of mind and it is already here.

I wish you and everyone else the best.

Ask and you will receive.

-v

reply to post by v01i0


YES! It is a state of mind my Brother. And a state of mind can manifest into this world, if you know how to transform it from thought to action.

I AM there with you my Brother. If you love your Brothers and Sisters, you could lend a hand in getting them here with us.

If not, I question if you are really here at all!

With Love,


Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


I doubt that our understanding about nature of existence really meets except in few conceptual occassions and via the reality we share.

However, it has been said that the kingdom is here already, people just don't see it. I've done my best since end of 2007 in ATS to help people see - but then again, I understand that people have very different experiences, different views of reality and I cannot - and want not to - appear as someone who knows it all. Maybe I've helped few people to gain something positive, maybe not. That will be sufficient for me. At least I usually say what I have to say - though usually I don't have much to say

Be well,

-v

reply to post by v01i0


Then you've done your share Brother.

Rest a while, for I am catching up.

Look around you, follow my posts, be my beacon. Let me know how you perceive my progress.

With Love,

Your Brother

If all was said and done like you said, we really would have heaven on earth, but....

what about the people who cant contribute? the ill, incapacitated? would you veiw them as a burden? cause they would be, wouldnt they? What would we do with them? Just shoot them?

Just asking.

Originally posted by thedarktower
If all was said and done like you said, we really would have heaven on earth, but....

what about the people who cant contribute? the ill, incapacitated? would you veiw them as a burden? cause they would be, wouldnt they? What would we do with them? Just shoot them?

Just asking.

We take care of them!

They are our Brothers and Sisters. We have the resources and Technology to do it. We have the Love to do it. So, we just do it. Not because they are our burden to bear, but because that is what we want when we reach such conditions.

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


thats ok, just wondering if you had some alterive motive going on you hadn't mentioned

Originally posted by thedarktower
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

thats ok, just wondering if you had some alterive motive going on you hadn't mentioned

Oh I understand Brother.

Motive is pure love for mankind. I know we can do better than we are. I am offering an alternative. It is simple, yet pure.

It crosses all religious lines, and even scientific lines. It has no politic, for we all are our own Kings and Queens.

With Love,

Your Brother

Each and everyone of us are in Heaven right now as we speak. We fight a battle with our inner demons to open our eyes and see it.

If we could just look out past the walls we have built up around us, we would see that we ARE in direct communion with God.

Love! This is God. It is what compels us. It is what causes us to build walls around us.

I humbly submit to you that this world IS perfect.

Every single piece of it was created by God, from God, who is perfect.

It is not the world, or us that is imperfect, only our perception of it.

We do not see things for what they are.

If the world was imperfect, the electron which takes its course around the nucleus of an atom, would not be bound by any calculable laws that make it so. Its course would be random, colliding with other electrons, spinning off into nothingness. Molecular bonds would be impossible!

Matter would not exist.

Yet every single part of this creation is held together in precise order, following precise laws of motion, allowing matter to exist.

From that matter comes the vessel for a divine spark of energy. Energy which forms matter into a body able to manipulate the lifeless matter around it. This too is not a random occurrence. The divine spark is bound by a law of motion as well. It seeks to manipulate matter in ways that provide it the sensation of Joy, of Love, the divine law of God himself!

From birth, we come into this world trapped in our container of matter seeking only one thing, Love. We need it for we are part of that divine mind the unites us all. When we do not get it, we cry out in pain!

Our whole purpose is to Love and be Loved. When we do not receive it through the cruelties of the life experience, we build a fortress around this divine spark, so that others may not harm it. We distance ourselves from the natural world around us growing further and further away from the intended experience. The more we experience pain, the thicker the walls grow up around us until they engulf our senses. We place a watchman on the walls, carefully screening all that approach, trying to decide who to let within, and armed to the hilt to prevent that which will do us harm.

Eventually our walls are so magnificent that we cannot even see beyond them. They become our prison and eventual tomb.

Inside this tomb, we cannot see the perfection around us. We are cut off from it. There we sit in our own self pity, wondering what could we have done to have deserved such torment.

My Brother, this world is perfect! And, so are you.

Come out from your tomb and experience it. Love it ALL. Every bit of love you give to it will be returned. The walls around you will come crumbling down. You will behold this creation in all its magnificent, perfect glory!

This is what God intended.

But we must ALL come out of our tombs and see it for what it is.

Love each other and be in Love.

You are not a prisoner here. No my Brother, you are a King!

With Love,

Your Brother

I think your version of heaven is beautiful. Only thing I don't quite agree on is your version of accepting death. I think that your way is one way to approach it and not bad, forgotten. But I think that the way a man who died used his life can be an inspiration. Surely yes? I don't think you'd disagree. You can get all into karma. You can create your own sort of man-made, social karma for the better in this way. You can make people appreciate life more and more, and understand their uniqueness as a people as they grow as a people.

It matters, or it seems to, as those who came before should in my opinion affect and effect our way of life, it just adds more meat and more spice to life. This might be one thing that takes away from freedom that I actually don't mind. But then a person could choose to be inspired by his culture's past or not. Shoot if it was a good culture, then I'd be all for it. It's when we live in nasty cultures with awful histories that we are repulsed.

reply to post by Novise


Thank you for your kind words my Brother. Death is a natural and necessary part of life. But look at how we understand it today and what it does to those who are left behind. So much pain and misery over our lost loved ones. Usually it is because of how hard we have had to struggle in our life that when death comes it is terrifying for the person dying and destructive to those we leave behind.

But what if death were treated differently. After a lifetime of good works we lie peacefully with our loved ones all around us. We have time to tell our life story. To share fond memories with them. To hold and kiss them one last time. Then peacefully drift off at a time of our choosing, in the comforts of our own home.

Very few get such a fair treatment when death knocks on our door. Chances are we will be locked in a hospital room, shared with a stranger, family barred outside because visiting hours are over. Left to die alone. This experience is if we are lucky.

But then again, it will be of your choosing. Afterall, it is your will how you go out, except for some disaster beyond human intervention.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


I can agree with that.

Death should be with dignity and by the person's dying's choosing. Just as their life should be by their own choosing and not those who choose to manipulate him/her.

I think that in Native American cultures, the old and sick would often speak one last time to the camp and have their moment of farewell, then they would go off in the woods on their own and die peacefully on their own.

Of course it may be better to die with your loved ones next to you, if they can handle it and aren't just there to prolong your suffering because of their own inability to accept the inevitable.

Around truly mature and good people, I would want to pass on with others with me

Originally posted by Novise

Around truly mature and good people, I would want to pass on with others with me

Now you get my meaning Brother.

Oh.

Oh.

reply to post by IAMIAM


I believe Heaven is what you make of it. If someone's having a bad day, they'll seethe whole day as bad and everything in it, even if the weather is beautiful. Noone but yourself can define Heaven as it's different for each person but also the same, if that makes sense. It's not to worship some God and 'kneel' but to love. We were created to enjoy life, not to subdue and grovel at our Creator. Perhaps after our life here on Earth we'll go back to the 'Source' with our teachings to live in harmony as just as our bodies are full of life, so is the planet. Respect the planet, respect yourself, and you've found harmony. Heaven's what you want it to be, what we all want it to REALLY be. We have different perceptions but in the end they're all the same. 'Heaven' certainly doesn't enslave others intuition so another can take control (money). #'s literally going to get worse as the old system falls and the new comes to place. You can make your Heaven on Earth and it'll all just fall into place perfectly.

I think the Heaven that we go to when you die is pure bliss i think you let go of all the problems in your life and all the trauma you have indured is free from thought and i think it's just pure love, i don't think we will just be sitting around playing harps all day but it will be fun and some might even have a job to do like look out for some one still alive and stuff like that.


As far as saying Earth could be Heaven well in the Bible it says one day it will, but if we could just all get along put our differences aside and try and make Earth a better place that's a step in the right direction.