Heaven

I have been pondering what heaven is like and this is my personal feeling of heaven. Feel free to add your own feeling of heaven if you so wish.

First, there would be no money. Money, in my opinion is the worst invention of man. It causes us to weigh one mans contribution to society as more or less than anothers. It is manipultable, corruptable, and at its very core nothing but an illusion. Every "job" provides an equal contribution in its essense to the well being of mankind. The highschool janitor is equal to the nuero-surgeon as both do a job that is needed to be done according to their own capabilities. What seperates them is not labor, but rather God given talent and fortune, both outside their individual control. Imagine doing what you do now, not for money, but because that is what you want to do, have the talent to do, and it is for the good of mankind.

All would have equal access to shelter, food, medical care, and everything necessary not for their mere survival, but for their peace and HAPPINESS. In short, free of want. If they want it, they can go get it, or they could ask, and a good Brother of humanity will help them to get it. We have the resources through out the world to do this. Trees grow again once harvested, crops are harvested only to be sown again, our technology has advanced to the point of manufacturing limitless supplies of all that is needed for a healthy body. All that stands in the way, is money.

Freedom the greatest of all gifts from God is enjoyed by all. No man claims dominion over another. Each soul is free to express itself in what ever way or manner it decides is best to do so. Governments are obsolete, man written laws are erased from the pages of mans destiny, and only Gods supreme law is adhered to not by decree but by natural behavior. Courts no longer act as judges, but as mediators between disputes . Mediators who work not to find fault, but to find injury and assist the parties in overcoming the pain of the injury that peace may prevail. Courts who are not made up of elected officials, but rather any Brother or Brothers of humanity who are present, willing, and able, to assist the disputing parties.

Borders are erased. Mankind is free to travel where ever they like knowing that they will have safe passage, provisions, and freedom. National identity is forgotten and replaced with the knowledge that we are just travelers in time occupying the same ball of mud God gave us. His wonders are a gift to all as his Sons and Daughters.

Property is no longer considered the worth of a man for all have access to all.

Natural disasters become events that allow us to show our love of each other as we all come to the aid of of Brothers in their time of crisis in what ever way we can.

Religion becomes once again a personal understanding of God and not a forced ideal.

Death, through the labors of those best able to understand it, becomes but a forgotten event in human history. Even now we are on the brink of unraveling this mystery and putting it to rest, the hold back is our current system of profitability.

Our technology no longer is used to destroy one another, but advance us to new ages. Rather than conquest, we seek to explore. The infinite depths beyond the atom, to the infinite "space" beyond our world.

Our material ideals such as marriage, family, nationality, race, etc. no longer exist for we function under the higher realisation that we are all the same at our very core. We all have the same desire which creates all other desires within us. That desire is to be loved, and we are by that great Creator,.

Prophets no longer come. Prophets are here, realised to be each and everyone of us.

Saviours no longer come, we accept the responsibility to save our selves!

We no longer look at each other for what makes us different, we look for what makes us the same.

(Cont.)

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Our children no longer learn to exist in pain, but rather to love always by recieving love always.

In my vision of heaven, we are in it, we must open our eyes to see it, and must put aside our material desires and differences to make it!


What do you think Brothers and Sisters, would you join me here?

Amazingly simple, we are in Heaven we only need to clean up this mess!

This idea that we can own the Earth and her resources is absurd. Next men will own the Moon and beyond.

Sadly too many people have forgotten how to feed themselves and clothe themselves so they are at the Mercy of this Paradigm. Actively seeking knowledge on how to do things self-sufficiently will cause us to utilize our Mother far wiser than we have. No more wasted spaces; we must embrace diversity and plant ourselves and our seeds everywhere.

Heaven on Earth! We are already here. Time to learn how to walk barefoot again!

We are at the turning point Brother. We will have a New World Order. It will be either through conquest (tyranny) or consent (absolute Freedom).

All the world has been building to this point. Every action taken by every man. Even the atrocities committed by our Governments has all been to guide man to this point.

In the begining there was one law, and it was natural. Man forgot that one Law, and so the law became controlled by Man.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Do we not feel that resonating at our very core?

No one wants to be judged, all want to be loved, do it and WE can change the world!

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You will never find Heaven on Earth my friend. When I started reading your post I was expecting you to be describing the real Heaven, (the Kingdom of God).

There will be a New World Order. Gods New World Order. The one that you are describing will only result in Death and Destruction. But it will happen also............."for God has put it into their hearts to give their kingdom over to the beast until the words of God have been acomplished."

Originally posted by MY2Commoncentsworth
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You will never find Heaven on Earth my friend. When I started reading your post I was expecting you to be describing the real Heaven, (the Kingdom of God).

There will be a New World Order. Gods New World Order. The one that you are describing will only result in Death and Destruction. But it will happen also............."for God has put it into their hearts to give their kingdom over to the beast until the words of God have been acomplished."

"The kingdom of heaven is all around us, but men do not see it"
Jesus

Open your eyes Brother and behold heaven. You cannot enter while you choose to judge.


"until the words of God have been acomplished."

When the words of God open your eyes, then you will see what is before you!

With love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by MY2Commoncentsworth
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

You will never find Heaven on Earth my friend. When I started reading your post I was expecting you to be describing the real Heaven, (the Kingdom of God).

There will be a New World Order. Gods New World Order. The one that you are describing will only result in Death and Destruction. But it will happen also............."for God has put it into their hearts to give their kingdom over to the beast until the words of God have been acomplished."

"The kingdom of heaven is all around us, but men do not see it"
Jesus

Open your eyes Brother and behold heaven. You cannot enter while you choose to judge.


"until the words of God have been acomplished."

When the words of God open your eyes, then you will see what is before you!

With love,

Your Brother

P.S. The words of God by the way are "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

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What seperates them is not labor, but rather God given talent and fortune, both outside their individual control.

I don't believe that at all...if you are conscious enough to really want it enough, you can make it a reality, whether by man-made innovation or by other means (eg you were born with no legs but want to be athlete, you get artificial legs). Laugh in the face of God and what "he" has given to you, for he is not the supreme overlord of your soul.

Originally posted by CHA0S
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What seperates them is not labor, but rather God given talent and fortune, both outside their individual control.

I don't believe that at all...if you are conscious enough to really want it enough, you can make it a reality, whether by man-made innovation or by other means (eg you were born with no legs but want to be athlete, you get artificial legs). Laugh in the face of God and what "he" has given to you, for he is not the supreme overlord of your soul.

Are you saying with absolute certainty that every man can accomplish everything he desires by himself without assistance from another?

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No...but I am saying that any person with a working brain and body has the ability to really become a nuero-surgeon if they want, they don't have to be the janitor. Sure some people are born lacking the mental and physical ability to do something, and we all need help at some point, but what I'm saying is, you are so much more than what you have been given physically, if you are a conscious self-aware being, if you have a working brain, potentially anything is possible if you want it enough - don't restrict yourself to the labels and limits others place on people.

Originally posted by CHA0S
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No...but I am saying that any person with a working brain and body has the ability to really become a nuero-surgeon if they want, they don't have to be the janitor. Sure some people are born lacking the mental and physical ability to do something, and we all need help at some point, but what I'm saying is, you are so much more than what you have been given physically, if you are a conscious self-aware being, if you have a working brain, potentially anything is possible if you want it enough - don't restrict yourself to the labels and limits others place on people.

Then I fail to see where we are at a disagreement Brother. The only limits in my scenario are those limits absolutely beyond ones individual control. Perhaps it is a misunderstanding of what I mean by God given talent and fortune? That most likely being the case, I apologise for not being clearer in my description, and I thank you for clarifying it with your above post.

Your Brother

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I have no desire to live in an eternal Theocracy .

My fantasy of choice .....



.....a wondrous Land of Chocolate !

Originally posted by UmbraSumus
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I have no desire to live in an eternal Theocracy .

My Brother,

Where in my description did I mention a Theocracy?

I believe I made it clear that all would be free to express their belief in God as they see fit, even if that is by not believing in such a God.

There is plenty of mention of God's law, but call it natural Law if you will. It is the undeniable truth.

Let me ask you if it applies to you. Do you want to be loved for exactly who you are and what you contribute?

If so, you get it by giving it. Call it what you will.

I think heaven, if such a place existed, would be different for each of us.

For example, heaven for me would be a cross between Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory and the Playboy Mansion (substituting Playmates for Oompa Loompas of ourse)...unfortunately, that's precisely why my wife says that I'm getting reincarnated after I die...she doesn't think I'm ready for heaven yet...she's probably right !

Originally posted by salman rushdie
I think heaven, if such a place existed, would be different for each of us.

For example, heaven for me would be a cross between Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory and the Playboy Mansion (substituting Playmates for Oompa Loompas of ourse)

I can certainly see this fitting into the overall view of Heaven. What is heaven without laughter and enjoyment afterall?

Thanks for contributing Brother!

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Originally posted by IAMIAM
"The kingdom of heaven is all around us, but men do not see it"
Jesus

Open your eyes Brother and behold heaven. You cannot enter while you choose to judge.


"until the words of God have been accomplished."

When the words of God open your eyes, then you will see what is before you!

Indeed.

And if you seek it with enough determination you might even get a glimpse of it, or maybe even a taste. You'll know that you are in it when you can feel it.

But even if you do get a tease, that is all that it will be. You will not be able to remain there. Most of us will have to die before it will permanently become our home.

But it is important that we continue to be productive and work to make the world a better place. We're still going to be here tomorrow. Individual peace can be achieved, world peace cannot be. World peace can not happen until all of its enemies are destroyed. Only God can accomplish this feet. We cannot do anything without God.

Jesus has given us the road map that will guide us to our destination. Utopia, Heaven, Nirvana, Shambhala, (it has many names), whatever you want to call it, is real. It's all that will remain long after the Earth and the Universe will have ceased to exist. And if you are fortunate enough to experience it, even for a fleeting moment, you will surely want to make it your final destination.

Peace to you brother.

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Originally posted by MY2Commoncentsworth
Indeed.

And if you seek it with enough determination you might even get a glimpse of it, or maybe even a taste. You'll know that you are in it when you can feel it.

I am already there Brother, and I am inviting All in.

But even if you do get a tease, that is all that it will be. You will not be able to remain there. Most of us will have to die before it will permanently become our home.

True, death is the natural part of life as we now have it. It isn't forever though

But it is important that we continue to be productive and work to make the world a better place. We're still going to be here tomorrow. Individual peace can be achieved, world peace cannot be. World peace can not happen until all of its enemies are destroyed. Only God can accomplish this feet. We cannot do anything without God.

As we are all part of God, we all have the same power to make it happen. It is his will, and could be our will if we so choose it. World peace must start somewhere, it started with me, and you, and continues on till all accept it willingly. Peace only comes from peace. War begets more war. If you doubt, it will not happen for you, for me, I'd rather live trying, than die denying.

Jesus has given us the road map that will gt us to our destination. Utopia, Heaven, Nirvana, Shambhala, (it has many names), whatever you want to call it, is real. It's all that will remain long after the Earth and the Universe will have ceased to exist. But if you are fortunate enough to experience it, even for a fleeting moment, you will surely want to make it your final destination.

Indeed he has given us a road map. So has Ghandi, John Lennon, Muhammad, and many many other visionaries. We ARE the way!

Peace to you brother.

And unto you Brother! Thank you for participating.

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Originally posted by IAMIAM

. Money, in my opinion is the worst invention of man. It causes us to weigh one mans contribution to society as more or less than anothers

A persons contribution to society will be calibrated/ ,by said society, whether you have a monetary system or not. Its human nature ...... an inherit product of the social complexity which evolved within our species.

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Every "job" provides an equal contribution in its essense to the well being of mankind

You would not find much consensus in society with that sentiment.

Originally posted by IAMIAM

The highschool janitor is equal to the nuero-surgeon as both do a job that is needed to be done according to their own capabilities. What separates them is not labor, but rather God given talent and fortune, both outside their individual control

The last janitor i befriended in college had a Degree in Psychology ..... one of the most interesting guys i`had the privilege to know during that time. `A road not taken` by a content family man.

Originally posted by IAMIAM

What seperates them is not labor, but rather God given talent and fortune, both outside their individual control

"God given talent" ...... all mapped out eh ?

" both outside their individual control " ...... what a delightful picture you paint. And you say this all came to you in a dream , your reverie reads more like a nightmare to my mind .
Espousing such an extreme external locus of control is unhealthy. We must take responsibility for our own actions and move away from waving our fists to the heavens.

Now i`ll stop there because it is not my intention to offend you, and i imagine that you posted your OP with the best of intentions .

I share many of your desires for a free and fair world ,replete with well adjusted individuals working in harmony, pushing the boundaries of human potential .

Its just i don`t think the foundations for such a Utopian society, could ever be built on such religiosity.




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Yes, indeed one cannot simply wish for all of these Utopian conditions to just appear; the goal is a unconditional acceptance of each other. If this sole condition exists, the others fall into place. The world is a lot easier to live in when you have peace, union, joy and vitality.

Personally, i believe that is the lesson and point of life on earth. To grasp out of the separateness of physical plane life and understand how to achieve agape in this plane of existence.

Realistically, there is a lot of work to be done, but we'll all get it one day or another; we have all of infinity (or in other words, however damn long we as a collective species decide) to work it all out with each other here.

Originally posted by UmbraSumus

A persons contribution to society will be calibrated/ ,by said society, whether you have a monetary system or not. Its human nature ...... an inherit product of the social complexity which evolved within our species.

You would not find much consensus in society with that sentiment.

Not under the current dying system no.

The last janitor i befriended in college had a Degree in Psychology ..... one of the most interesting guys i`had the privilege to know during that time. `A road not taken` by a content family man.

Interesting, however I fail to see what this has to do with your position

"God given talent" ...... all mapped out eh ?

Do you present a different map?

" both outside their individual control " ...... what a delightful picture you paint. And you say this all came to you in a dream , your reverie reads more like a nightmare to my mind .

I do not know where you have read anything of a dream. But, since you wish to discuss dreams, and this idea is a nightmare, tell me what is your dream.

Espousing such an extreme external locus of control is unhealthy. We must take responsibility for our own actions and move away from waving our fists to the heavens.

Waving fists to heavens, external focus of control?? Perhaps it is your idea that working for others over oneself is external focus of control, but from my perspective it is the height of self control. Furthermore it requires no waving of fists to heaven. It requires one get off their backside and work for others rather than sit back and watch as others work for them. Afterall, if you love all as your Brother, you will not sit back while they slave away. You will give your best to help them where they need it in return.

Now i`ll stop there because it is not my intention to offend you, and i imagine that you posted your OP with the best of intentions .

You cannot offend me with your opinion Brother. I have my own afterall and do not need to trade mine for yours to hear you and understand you.

I share many of your desires for a free and fair world ,replete with well adjusted individuals working in harmony, pushing the boundaries of human potential .

Then lets look closer at what commonalities we have and discuss our differences rationally. This was an invitation for all to join me was it not?

Its just i don`t think the foundations for such a Utopian society, could ever be built on such religiosity.

Your judging the contents by the container. Pour forth the truth from your container and lets see if we don't have more in common than differences.

With love,

Your Brother




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